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We can see Keith playing bass on SFTD in the Jean-Luc Godard's movie.
He may have said that, but that's clearly not the case.
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Just to ad: Wyman clearly liked this bass so much he used it on record until at least 1978. It is a bit funny actually, there's many pics of the Stones in the studio in the 70's using the best&most expensive gear, and there is Wyman with his home-made bass...
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Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 10, 2007 07:52
with sssoul Wrote:
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- probably RSG may 27th 1966, by Chris Walter
Bill has the Wyman bass there. I believe that pic is from Top of the Pops - January 25th 1967.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-10 07:54 by His Majesty.
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- probably RSG may 27th 1966, by Chris Walter
Bill has the Wyman bass there. I believe that pic is from Top of the Pops - January 25th 1967.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-10 07:54 by His Majesty.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
tomk
()
Date: November 10, 2007 07:57
Did he use flat-wounds on the Travis Bean?
Any pictures or interviews that show or say?
Any pictures or interviews that show or say?
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 10, 2007 14:57
tomk Wrote:
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> Did he use flat-wounds on the Travis Bean?
> Any pictures or interviews that show or say?
As far as I know Wyman only used flatwounds, and I am sure he used them on the Travis Beans, there's plenty of pictures in the Philip Kamin books.
Mathijs
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> Did he use flat-wounds on the Travis Bean?
> Any pictures or interviews that show or say?
As far as I know Wyman only used flatwounds, and I am sure he used them on the Travis Beans, there's plenty of pictures in the Philip Kamin books.
Mathijs
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: November 10, 2007 21:42
>> I believe that pic is from Top of the Pops - January 25th 1967. <<
thanks HM - so much for the photographers' dating (as usual!)
i'll correct that, to avoid confusing future readers. but!
i just looked at the may 27th 1966 RSG, and Bill does have a teardrop bass -
and Keith's in a white jacket too, so it's not *totally* off-base :E
here are the three may 66 RSG numbers - ahh, i love these!
i can't find Ruby Tuesday from the january 67 Top of the Pops, but here's LStNT:
[scratching head] does that look like the show that photo's from?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-11 02:02 by with sssoul.
thanks HM - so much for the photographers' dating (as usual!)
i'll correct that, to avoid confusing future readers. but!
i just looked at the may 27th 1966 RSG, and Bill does have a teardrop bass -
and Keith's in a white jacket too, so it's not *totally* off-base :E
here are the three may 66 RSG numbers - ahh, i love these!
i can't find Ruby Tuesday from the january 67 Top of the Pops, but here's LStNT:
[scratching head] does that look like the show that photo's from?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-11 02:02 by with sssoul.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 11, 2007 04:00
with sssoul Wrote:
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> i can't find Ruby Tuesday from the january 67 Top
> of the Pops, but here's LStNT:
>
> does that look like the show that photo's from?
I'm now certain that it's from January 67. :-()
The pics that feature Keith in the white jacket loaded with his les paul custom are probably from the rehearsals for the show. There's also some pics from the same time of Keith playing piano and Brian playing recorder. The stage and lighting in the pic you posted and the lstnt totp's footage match.
Just found some pics of the stones appearing on top of the pops in February 1966 right before the Australian tour and Bill has a Wyman bass.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-11 11:07 by His Majesty.
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> i can't find Ruby Tuesday from the january 67 Top
> of the Pops, but here's LStNT:
>
> does that look like the show that photo's from?
I'm now certain that it's from January 67. :-()
The pics that feature Keith in the white jacket loaded with his les paul custom are probably from the rehearsals for the show. There's also some pics from the same time of Keith playing piano and Brian playing recorder. The stage and lighting in the pic you posted and the lstnt totp's footage match.
Just found some pics of the stones appearing on top of the pops in February 1966 right before the Australian tour and Bill has a Wyman bass.
Edited 5 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-11 11:07 by His Majesty.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: November 11, 2007 11:48
>> There's also some pics from the same time of Keith playing piano and Brian playing recorder. <<
ah: i know at least one of the photos you mean. sold! thanks HM.
>> the Stones appearing on top of the pops in February 1966 right before the Australian tour
and Bill has a Wyman bass. <<
cool - so that newspaper story is vindicated. very nice!
maybe he's got the Framus in all the Australian photos precisely because the Vox was stolen.
ah: i know at least one of the photos you mean. sold! thanks HM.
>> the Stones appearing on top of the pops in February 1966 right before the Australian tour
and Bill has a Wyman bass. <<
cool - so that newspaper story is vindicated. very nice!
maybe he's got the Framus in all the Australian photos precisely because the Vox was stolen.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 11, 2007 12:01
with sssoul Wrote:
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> cool - so that newspaper story is vindicated. very
> nice!
> maybe he's got the Framus in all the Australian
> photos precisely because the Vox was stolen.
I didn't doubt it, but someone over at the plexi palace, vintage amp forum did. What can I say!? My OCD kicked in and I had to find a pic of Bill from before that tour with a Wyman bass! :-()
EDIT: Although, the bass pictured in February 1966 has a different bridge to the one returned to Bill decades later. Hmmm...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-11 22:03 by His Majesty.
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> cool - so that newspaper story is vindicated. very
> nice!
> maybe he's got the Framus in all the Australian
> photos precisely because the Vox was stolen.
I didn't doubt it, but someone over at the plexi palace, vintage amp forum did. What can I say!? My OCD kicked in and I had to find a pic of Bill from before that tour with a Wyman bass! :-()
EDIT: Although, the bass pictured in February 1966 has a different bridge to the one returned to Bill decades later. Hmmm...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-11-11 22:03 by His Majesty.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
brnco
()
Date: December 31, 2007 17:26
what bass does he play nowadays?
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Britney
()
Date: December 31, 2007 18:55
with sssoul Wrote:
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> okay sorry - maybe that's not *quite* what you had
> in mind ...
> i do consider that a 100% beautiful and amazing
> moment in Stones History, though!
> i mean those cats just would not be stopped - not
> by anything, including "this track is pining for a
> bowed bass, but none of us knows how to play it".
> ... hail hail Rolling Stones, huh?!
>
> ahem: Bill's more usual instruments ... were
> actually also not that usual.
> in these first shots, is that that job he bought
> for eight pounds and then renovated into something
> that sounded way better than it had any right to?
>
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> iorr/Bill1962.jpg
> - 1962 (don't know who took it, sorry!)
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> iorr/1963_marquee_DezoHoffmann.jpg
> - the Marquee 1963, by Dezo Hoffman
>
> and what, pray tell, has he got here in this next
> one?
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> iorr/1963_backstage_keno.jpg
> - 1963 (courtesy of the Keno site)
>
>
>
I believe the second pic is not at the marquee but at the crawdaddy. Can anybody confirm?
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> okay sorry - maybe that's not *quite* what you had
> in mind ...
> i do consider that a 100% beautiful and amazing
> moment in Stones History, though!
> i mean those cats just would not be stopped - not
> by anything, including "this track is pining for a
> bowed bass, but none of us knows how to play it".
> ... hail hail Rolling Stones, huh?!
>
> ahem: Bill's more usual instruments ... were
> actually also not that usual.
> in these first shots, is that that job he bought
> for eight pounds and then renovated into something
> that sounded way better than it had any right to?
>
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> iorr/Bill1962.jpg
> - 1962 (don't know who took it, sorry!)
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> iorr/1963_marquee_DezoHoffmann.jpg
> - the Marquee 1963, by Dezo Hoffman
>
> and what, pray tell, has he got here in this next
> one?
>
> [img.photobucket.com]
> iorr/1963_backstage_keno.jpg
> - 1963 (courtesy of the Keno site)
>
>
>
I believe the second pic is not at the marquee but at the crawdaddy. Can anybody confirm?
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: December 31, 2007 20:14
yeah, it's the Crawdaddy. i'll edit that - thanks.
and it was Bill Williams who took the photo, not Dezo Hoffman, so i've fixed that too.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-31 20:17 by with sssoul.
and it was Bill Williams who took the photo, not Dezo Hoffman, so i've fixed that too.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-12-31 20:17 by with sssoul.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Britney
()
Date: January 1, 2008 13:36
with sssoul Wrote:
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> yeah, it's the Crawdaddy. i'll edit that -
> thanks.
> and it was Bill Williams who took the photo, not
> Dezo Hoffman, so i've fixed that too.
While were at it, anybody know which date the pic was made?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-01-01 13:36 by Britney.
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> yeah, it's the Crawdaddy. i'll edit that -
> thanks.
> and it was Bill Williams who took the photo, not
> Dezo Hoffman, so i've fixed that too.
While were at it, anybody know which date the pic was made?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-01-01 13:36 by Britney.
Re: Wyman's Basses
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: January 1, 2008 14:09
>> While were at it, anybody know which date the pic was made? <<
it seems to be late april 1963. it was taken by a Record Mirror photographer;
maybe he went to the Crawdaddy with the editor Peter Jones on april 21st, or maybe it was another occasion.
it would be brilliant to hear from anyone who knows for sure!
it seems to be late april 1963. it was taken by a Record Mirror photographer;
maybe he went to the Crawdaddy with the editor Peter Jones on april 21st, or maybe it was another occasion.
it would be brilliant to hear from anyone who knows for sure!
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
open-g
()
Date: April 17, 2008 18:07
How Bill Wyman Got His Bass Back
Bill Wyman's bass was rumored to have been stolen when the Stones played in Wellington in 1966.
Recently, when the current owner, Sceats, discovered that it really did belong to Wyman, the bass was returned to Wyman.
(Vox made a few hundred of the bass guitars in the 1960s and the story went that one had been endorsed by Rolling Stones bass player Bill Wyman.)
Wyman wrote, "I just couldn't believe it had turned up and that you were trying to make contact to return it to me - my profound thanks to you."
Framus
1960's Framus with "humbug finish." (Formerly owned by Bill Wyman.)
found @ [www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com]
Bill Wyman's bass was rumored to have been stolen when the Stones played in Wellington in 1966.
Recently, when the current owner, Sceats, discovered that it really did belong to Wyman, the bass was returned to Wyman.
(Vox made a few hundred of the bass guitars in the 1960s and the story went that one had been endorsed by Rolling Stones bass player Bill Wyman.)
Wyman wrote, "I just couldn't believe it had turned up and that you were trying to make contact to return it to me - my profound thanks to you."
Framus
1960's Framus with "humbug finish." (Formerly owned by Bill Wyman.)
found @ [www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com]
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
RichardHurrah
()
Date: April 17, 2008 18:22
Quote
Fr34kzi11a
Any pictures of Keith / Mick Taylor / Ronnie playing bass?
We can see Keith playing bass on SFTD in the Jean-Luc Godard's movie.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: January 16, 2009 17:53
Found some more pics and info on the violin bass Bill is shown using from late 1968 - spring/summer 1969.
VOX ASTRO IV V273 BASS
An Italian made electric acoustic bass guitar with the popular violin shape body. Has built-in G tuner, distortion booster, treble and bass boosters. Has an all new fast and easy to fret neck, with double T-Bar and adjustable truss rod. Has two exclusive Vox Ferro-Sonic high output wide range pickups. Fully adjustable bridge. One volume, two tone controls, 3-position pickup selector switch. Has jumbo chrome plated machine heads.
Olympic Sound Studios, London - Spring 1969 - probably Ethan Russell and/or Eric Hayes
VOX ASTRO IV V273 BASS
An Italian made electric acoustic bass guitar with the popular violin shape body. Has built-in G tuner, distortion booster, treble and bass boosters. Has an all new fast and easy to fret neck, with double T-Bar and adjustable truss rod. Has two exclusive Vox Ferro-Sonic high output wide range pickups. Fully adjustable bridge. One volume, two tone controls, 3-position pickup selector switch. Has jumbo chrome plated machine heads.
Olympic Sound Studios, London - Spring 1969 - probably Ethan Russell and/or Eric Hayes
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
cc
()
Date: January 16, 2009 18:29
I thought he said he used the modified Framus for recording almost exclusively?
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: January 16, 2009 18:37
Quote
cc
I thought he said he used the modified Framus for recording almost exclusively?
He may have said that, but that's clearly not the case.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
SimonV
()
Date: January 16, 2009 23:29
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: August 20, 2009 19:54
I think I've managed to identify a bass Bill used during late 1968...
ITV Studio One Television facilities, Wembley, London, England - 29th November 1968 - courtesy of Daily Mirror Archives
Londonderry Hotel, London, England - 8th/9th December 1968 - no photographer credits given
...
I've mistakenly believed it was a Rickenbacker, but it appears that Rickenbacker never made a bass using the Rickenbacker 330 guitar styled body. However, further digging revealed that the company Shaftesbury did make such a bass. Shaftesbury musical products were imported in to the UK by Rose Morris during the 60's and 70's from Japan and/or Italy.
Here's a bass that is probably the same as Bill's
[www.hollowbodybass.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-08-20 20:10 by His Majesty.
ITV Studio One Television facilities, Wembley, London, England - 29th November 1968 - courtesy of Daily Mirror Archives
Londonderry Hotel, London, England - 8th/9th December 1968 - no photographer credits given
...
I've mistakenly believed it was a Rickenbacker, but it appears that Rickenbacker never made a bass using the Rickenbacker 330 guitar styled body. However, further digging revealed that the company Shaftesbury did make such a bass. Shaftesbury musical products were imported in to the UK by Rose Morris during the 60's and 70's from Japan and/or Italy.
Here's a bass that is probably the same as Bill's
[www.hollowbodybass.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-08-20 20:10 by His Majesty.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: August 20, 2009 21:51
Great job Majesty! Btw, Wyman must have been really fond of that shirt and sweater...
Mathijs
Mathijs
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 20, 2009 21:57
nice work, HM!
>> Wyman must have been really fond of that shirt and sweater <<
smile: Keith wore practically the same clothes that whole week as well
>> Wyman must have been really fond of that shirt and sweater <<
smile: Keith wore practically the same clothes that whole week as well
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
marvpeck
()
Date: August 20, 2009 23:29
These have all been great but it got me to wondering.
Does anybody have a pic of the amp Bill showed up with
at his Stones audition that everyone went gaga over and it
got him in?
Marv Peck
Y'all remember that rubber legged boy
Does anybody have a pic of the amp Bill showed up with
at his Stones audition that everyone went gaga over and it
got him in?
Marv Peck
Y'all remember that rubber legged boy
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 20, 2009 23:36
if i recall right, a couple of photos from the Battersea Park gig have been posted around here somewhere -
Bill's historic amp is in those shots, no?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-08-20 23:37 by with sssoul.
Bill's historic amp is in those shots, no?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-08-20 23:37 by with sssoul.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Palace Revolution 2000
()
Date: August 20, 2009 23:50
Hey guys, I just noticed something funny: it looks like there are only three strings on that Contra bass; with Keith and Bill bowing. It's
so funny: Keith just can't resist removing a string, haha..
I saw that Rickenbacker this morning in another thread; but in that thread I could not really tell I thought maybe he was just holding a guitar for miming purposes. So it IS a Bass.
so funny: Keith just can't resist removing a string, haha..
I saw that Rickenbacker this morning in another thread; but in that thread I could not really tell I thought maybe he was just holding a guitar for miming purposes. So it IS a Bass.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 29, 2009 03:23
A forum member over at beatgearcavern posted this...
Quote
talanca
On his book "Rolling with the Stones" Wyman says he made his first fretless bass from an English solidbody bass "Dallas Tuxedo" which he bought second-hand in early 1961 for 8 GBP. He used to refers to it as "the home-made bass" because tho' he didn't build the guitar he modded the shape of the body, took the frets out, and refinished it (all this before he joined the Stones). The original idea was to refret the bass as part of the mods, but since he liked the sound of it with no frets the refret was never done. He used it during the first year with the Stones before buying his Framus Star Bass on September 2,1963. I repeat: all this according to Bill himself.
The Japanese bass theory was mentioned on the book "How The Fender Bass Changed The World", by Jim Roberts but according to what Wyman says it's pure folklore or speculation.
Wyman's real Dallas Tuxedo bass is currently on display at Sticky Fingers (Bill's restaurant) in London.
This is a Dallas Tuxedo as it probably was Bill's when he originally got it:
This is the real Wyman's bass after the mods:
This last pic shows Wyman using the bass for recording "Simpathy For The Devil" and the instrument appears with a second refinish now swapping colors of body and guard for the exact opposite.
Cheers, M.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: November 29, 2009 03:38
Also of interest is that Bill is shown using one of the rare Vox 4 series bass amplifiers in July 1966.
Forest Hills stadium, New York, NY, USA - 2nd July 1966 - By Walter Daran
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-11-29 03:40 by His Majesty.
Forest Hills stadium, New York, NY, USA - 2nd July 1966 - By Walter Daran
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2009-11-29 03:40 by His Majesty.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: November 29, 2009 03:57
One of the many pleasures of the re-mastered Ya-Yas is Bill Wyman's playing and his sound. Was he playing a Mustang Bass for those shows at MSG, or was it the Armstrong? Either way it's pure r&b mud. I have tried to re-create his tone with my Mustang Bass and cannot do it.
I started to lose my love for the Who when John Entwistle decided he really was a lead guitarist instead of a bass player. His trebly tone on the tours after Moon died was horrible. I saw The Who at MSG shortly after Entwistle's untimely death and was pleasantly surprised at Pino Palladino. But I digress...
For me, the integrity of the Rolling Stones as a band stopped when Bill left. Now we have the Fabulous Rolling Stones Review Featuring Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Ron Wood. That doesn't make it bad, it just isn't the Stones without that Bill thing.
I started to lose my love for the Who when John Entwistle decided he really was a lead guitarist instead of a bass player. His trebly tone on the tours after Moon died was horrible. I saw The Who at MSG shortly after Entwistle's untimely death and was pleasantly surprised at Pino Palladino. But I digress...
For me, the integrity of the Rolling Stones as a band stopped when Bill left. Now we have the Fabulous Rolling Stones Review Featuring Mick Jagger, Keith Richards, Charlie Watts and Ron Wood. That doesn't make it bad, it just isn't the Stones without that Bill thing.
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Deltics
()
Date: November 29, 2009 18:56
"As we say in England, it can get a bit trainspottery"
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: November 29, 2009 20:56
Great ad! I would love to get a full size version of this for my studio wall. An All-Vox Man indeed!
Re: Ok sssoul, where's the thread on Wyman's Bass guitars?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 29, 2009 21:13
Quote
His Majesty
A forum member over at beatgearcavern posted this...Quote
talanca
On his book "Rolling with the Stones" Wyman says he made his first fretless bass from an English solidbody bass "Dallas Tuxedo" which he bought second-hand in early 1961 for 8 GBP. He used to refers to it as "the home-made bass" because tho' he didn't build the guitar he modded the shape of the body, took the frets out, and refinished it (all this before he joined the Stones). The original idea was to refret the bass as part of the mods, but since he liked the sound of it with no frets the refret was never done. He used it during the first year with the Stones before buying his Framus Star Bass on September 2,1963. I repeat: all this according to Bill himself.
The Japanese bass theory was mentioned on the book "How The Fender Bass Changed The World", by Jim Roberts but according to what Wyman says it's pure folklore or speculation.
Wyman's real Dallas Tuxedo bass is currently on display at Sticky Fingers (Bill's restaurant) in London.
This is a Dallas Tuxedo as it probably was Bill's when he originally got it:
This is the real Wyman's bass after the mods:
This last pic shows Wyman using the bass for recording "Simpathy For The Devil" and the instrument appears with a second refinish now swapping colors of body and guard for the exact opposite.
Cheers, M.
Just to ad: Wyman clearly liked this bass so much he used it on record until at least 1978. It is a bit funny actually, there's many pics of the Stones in the studio in the 70's using the best&most expensive gear, and there is Wyman with his home-made bass...
Mathijs
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