A few months ago there was a thread on IORR where the 2002 "Licks Sessions" in Paris came into focus.
Two NEW titles were put on the table regarding this subject by TeddyB1018 at the time:
JUST BECAUSE (a country-tinged rocker) and WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME (old style R&B number).

JUST BECAUSE (Licks Outtake 2002) turned into TROUBLE (KR single 2015).

Can we add WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME to the Paris 2002 "Licks Sessions"?



Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-09 23:52 by RipThisBone.

Sort of?

020513A 13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris),
France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was.
Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album ’40
Licks‘. Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.
- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -call out hook
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because (KR/Steve Jordan) -early version of KR's Trouble; unconfirmed
- Keys To Your Love (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste )
-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VI (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- Well Well (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal (You Better Leave That Man Alone)
+ more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)

Well, yes, you can, because they were. I guess for Zentgraf or whoever you posted it's unconfirmed. And I wouldn't suggest as above that Steve Jordan necessarily had anything to do with the original, more "country tinged" (to quote myself) 2002 version of Just Because.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-03 10:19 by TeddyB1018.

Hi Teddy, do you remember something about the song called "Smooth 180"?
In Chuck Leavell's book ("Between a Rock and a Home Place") he mentions a song Keith recorded during the Licks sessions called "Smooth 180. Chuck said it was a fun track and that he hopes it will be released one day.

Doesn't look like it made it to "Crosseyed Heart", unless the name got changed.

The "Still in Love" info probably came from a screenshot in "4 Flicks" : [www.iorr.org]



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These sessions do fascinate me somewhat. I cannot help but wonder what else they toyed with during the Doom and Gloom/One More Shot recording period.

No, I didn't hear a song called Smooth 180. My friend has only nine or ten tracks, including a couple that they finished and released.

Released on ABB ?

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TeddyB1018
No, I didn't hear a song called Smooth 180. My friend has only nine or ten tracks, including a couple that they finished and released.

Mant thanks Teddy!

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gotdablouse
Released on ABB ?

Pretty sure Teddy is talking about "Don't Stop" and "Keys To Your Love." These are not the released versions, but ones tried with Danny Saber. Teddy will correct if my memory is faulty.

Incidentally, "Still in Love" has been around for a great number of years with common bootlegged versions (instrumental or with off-mike guide vocal) from a number of album sessions over the years.

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TeddyB1018
No, I didn't hear a song called Smooth 180. My friend has only nine or ten tracks, including a couple that they finished and released.

Exciting!

Do you remember other titles you heard?

Until now this is the complete list of titles known to have been worked on during The Paris 2002 Licks Sessions:

13th May - 7th June: THE ROLLING STONES. Suresnes (near Paris),
France, Studio Guillaume Tell. Producers: The Glimmer Twins & Don Was.
Sound engineer: Ed Cherney. Recording sessions for the upcoming album ’40
Licks‘. Additional musicians: Chuck Leavell (keyb), Darryl Jones (bass), Blondie
Chaplin (perc). Incl.

- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -call out hook
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because (KR/Steve Jordan) -early version of KR's Trouble; unconfirmed
- Keys To Your Love (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste )
unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VI (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- Well Well (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal (You Better Leave That Man Alone)
+ more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)

Thanks to www.nzentgraf.de !



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-03 23:50 by RipThisBone.

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TeddyB1018
No, I didn't hear a song called Smooth 180. My friend has only nine or ten tracks, including a couple that they finished and released.

Exciting!

Do you remember other titles you heard?

Until now this is the complete list of titles known to have been worked on during The Paris 2002 Licks Sessions:

- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -call out hook
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Just Because (KR/Steve Jordan) -early version of KR's Trouble; unconfirmed
- Keys To Your Love (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy Modeliste )
unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VI (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- Well Well (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal (You Better Leave That Man Alone)
+ more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)

Thanks to www.nzentgraf.de !

Teddy, make a call to your friend to know other titles!

Teddy, make a call to your friend to know other titles! winking smiley...

Great idea KRiffhard! Wanking smiley.

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gotdablouse
Released on ABB ?

Pretty sure Teddy is talking about "Don't Stop" and "Keys To Your Love." These are not the released versions, but ones tried with Danny Saber. Teddy will correct if my memory is faulty.

Ah ok, I thought he meant stuff they hadn't used for Licks.

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Rocky Dijon
Incidentally, "Still in Love" has been around for a great number of years with common bootlegged versions (instrumental or with off-mike guide vocal) from a number of album sessions over the years.

Yes, Nico lists this version as SIL VI, going from memory I have:

SIL I : ER sessions, short (around 1'30) with vocal, aka "Sugar Babe"
SIL II : Keith 1981 Sessions, not sure I've heard that one
SIL III : UC sessions, instrumental, "piano version"
SIL IV : another instrumental from the UC sessions, "guitar version"
SIL V : UC or DW sessions, long (around 7') with off-mike vocals, aka "Ralph's Tune" (first appeared on a Keith boot)
SIL VI : Licks sessions

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TeddyB1018
No, I didn't hear a song called Smooth 180. My friend has only nine or ten tracks, including a couple that they finished and released.

Thanks for the information on the Paris 2002 sessions. Can you maybe tell us the track names of the unreleased tracks?

Do you have any information when and where the Danny Saber sessions took place? Was it in early 2002?

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gotdablouse
Released on ABB ?

Pretty sure Teddy is talking about "Don't Stop" and "Keys To Your Love." These are not the released versions, but ones tried with Danny Saber. Teddy will correct if my memory is faulty.

Incidentally, "Still in Love" has been around for a great number of years with common bootlegged versions (instrumental or with off-mike guide vocal) from a number of album sessions over the years.

Rocky's got it exectly right on the two titles tried with Danny Saber. Not markedly different from the final versions though.

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RipThisBone
Teddy, make a call to your friend to know other titles! winking smiley...

Great idea KRiffhard! Wanking smiley.

Well, he's most unfortunately passed away about two and a half years ago, having been friendly with Mick, Keith, Ron, Pierre, Steve Bing and others, including Danny Saber, but I think I do have a list of titles somewhere I can dig up. I still have my own friendly contacts among the Stones and their posse, but admittedly miss his access, as well as our personal and professional relationship. Still pretty tight with the KR team.



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Teddy, do what you can! Many thanks for all the informations you share with us!

TeddyB1018- no wonder you're sparing with information being close or inside the inner circle. Thanks for all you've given to us fans. Cheers!

Great read! Very interesting site www.nzentgraf.de by the way. Thanks everybody!



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2015-08-05 19:15 by OutOfTime.

These were on the tape my late Manager had from the '02 sessions:

Just Because
Dreams
Cried Out
Because? (a second take of Just Because)
Love is a Test
When I Call Your Name
U Don't Wanna
Don't Stop
Keys to Your Love

These are all MJ lead guide vocals.

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+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal (You Better Leave That Man Alone)

I would sell every one of my children in exchange for this one.

Drew

Isn't there a snippet of "You Better Leave That Man Alone" in FOUR FLICKS? No, I don't mean "Extreme Western Grip" or "Well, Well." I believe it's in the documentary and the title (if it's the title) is the only portion we hear Mick sing. I could be mistaken.

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GasLightStreet
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal (You Better Leave That Man Alone)

I would sell every one of my children in exchange for this one.

Drew

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Rocky Dijon
Isn't there a snippet of "You Better Leave That Man Alone" in FOUR FLICKS? No, I don't mean "Extreme Western Grip" or "Well, Well." I believe it's in the documentary and the title (if it's the title) is the only portion we hear Mick sing. I could be mistaken.

There is, Rocky, and that's what's got me so hot and bothered.

Drew

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TeddyB1018
These were on the tape my late Manager had from the '02 sessions:

Just Because
Dreams
Cried Out
Because? (a second take of Just Because)
Love is a Test
When I Call Your Name
U Don't Wanna
Don't Stop
Keys to Your Love

These are all MJ lead guide vocals.

THANKS A LOT TEDDY BOY!
This is great information for all fans studying and trying to somehow complete THE ROLLING STONES HISTORY (recordingsessions), it's science you know...for some of us.
Makes my think of what I could have been doing for a living studying something else for 40 years...><

Maybe some are working titles for songs later finished. Who knows?

All in all for some of us IORR's this is a classic thread!



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On the copy I have the first song is called Just Before, not Just Because. U Don't Wanna sounds like it might be an early take of Driving Too Fast...Cried Out sounds like possibly an early take of, Laugh, I Nearly Died to me.

Updating:

- Don’t Stop I (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Don’t Stop II (MJ/KR) -edit
- Don’t Stop III (MJ/KR) -New Rock Mix
- Don’t Stop IV (MJ/KR) -call out hook
- Extreme Western Grip (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- Hurricane (MJ/KR)
- Keys To Your Love (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Losing My Touch (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Love Is For Me (Art Neville/George Porter Jr./Leo Nocentelli/Ziggy
Modeliste )-unconfirmed
- Only Found Out Yesterday (KR) -unverified
- Smooth 180 (MJ/KR) -KR on vocals; unverified
- Stealing My Heart (MJ/KR) -Forty Licks-version
- Still In Love VI (MJ/KR) -unverified recut
- Well Well (MJ/KR) -Four Flicks-version
- When I Call Your Name
- Just Because/Just Before (KR/Steve Jordan) - early version of KR's Trouble; unconfirmed
- Dreams
- Cried Out
- Because? (a second take of Just Because)
- Love is a Test
- U Don't Wanna
+ unknown blues ( ) -rehearsal (You Better Leave That Man Alone)
+ more (probably all unfinished; 28 songs/ideas in all)

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Mr.D
On the copy I have the first song is called Just Before, not Just Because. U Don't Wanna sounds like it might be an early take of Driving Too Fast...Cried Out sounds like possibly an early take of, Laugh, I Nearly Died to me.

Sorry Mr.D, may you confirm that "Just Because" or 'Just Before' is early version of KR's 'Trouble'?

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Mr.D
On the copy I have the first song is called Just Before, not Just Because. U Don't Wanna sounds like it might be an early take of Driving Too Fast...Cried Out sounds like possibly an early take of, Laugh, I Nearly Died to me.

Sorry Mr.D, may you confirm that "Just Because" or 'Just Before' is early version of KR's 'Trouble'?

Both, Just Before is the all music part of Because, most of Because is the band deciding what key and beat and everything to play the song in, real "fly on the wall" stuff!