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MrEcho
Yes, they let the 1963 and 1964 stuff fall out of copyright
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MrEcho
Yes, they let the 1963 and 1964 stuff fall out of copyright
Not totally, as they included the 1963 IBC demos and the 1964 Live at Camden Theatre tracks in the super deluxe GRRR.
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alimente
Look, the thing is that this "falling out of copyright"-thing is more or less peanuts for the Stones. The handful of circulating excellent-quality outtakes have no mass market appeal. And no matter how excellent a bootleg - or ("legal bootleg" in this case) - release is, any authorized release from the original master tapes on ABKCO will sound even better and will be snapped up by the target market - us Stones fans - anyway, for sound quality and collecting reasons.
Plus, small labels can only take advantage of "out of copyright"-stuff when it is in fact circulating on bootlegs or otherwise in collector's circles. Material that never leaked from the vaults in any form can't be exploited by anybody else than the Stones and ABKCO.
Would be interesting to get some kind of statement from ABKCO in this topic, of course.
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alimente
Look, the thing is that this "falling out of copyright"-thing is more or less peanuts for the Stones. The handful of circulating excellent-quality outtakes have no mass market appeal. And no matter how excellent a bootleg - or ("legal bootleg" in this case) - release is, any authorized release from the original master tapes on ABKCO will sound even better and will be snapped up by the target market - us Stones fans - anyway, for sound quality and collecting reasons.
Plus, small labels can only take advantage of "out of copyright"-stuff when it is in fact circulating on bootlegs or otherwise in collector's circles. Material that never leaked from the vaults in any form can't be exploited by anybody else than the Stones and ABKCO.
Would be interesting to get some kind of statement from ABKCO in this topic, of course.
Those are actually damn good points.
Which brings me to my original conclusion, which is 'bring it on'.
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alimente
Look, the thing is that this "falling out of copyright"-thing is more or less peanuts for the Stones. The handful of circulating excellent-quality outtakes have no mass market appeal. And no matter how excellent a bootleg - or ("legal bootleg" in this case) - release is, any authorized release from the original master tapes on ABKCO will sound even better and will be snapped up by the target market - us Stones fans - anyway, for sound quality and collecting reasons.
Plus, small labels can only take advantage of "out of copyright"-stuff when it is in fact circulating on bootlegs or otherwise in collector's circles. Material that never leaked from the vaults in any form can't be exploited by anybody else than the Stones and ABKCO.
Would be interesting to get some kind of statement from ABKCO in this topic, of course.
Those are actually damn good points.
Which brings me to my original conclusion, which is 'bring it on'.
Absolutely - BRING IT ON, BRING IT ON!!! And please - do it while I'm still alive and well!
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treaclefingers
Rather surprised not even an attempt at releasing a BBC package.
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MrThompsonWooft
The Beatles got around this in 2013 by releasing via itunes about 50 outtakes from 63/64. They were heavily priced and only available for a short period. But it was sufficient to establish ownership. Maybe the Stones will follow...... like they did with TSMR ;-)
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MrEcho
In recent years Bob Dylan's people have addressed the problem by releasing so-called "50th Anniversary Collections" of previously unreleased material in limited quantities in Europe in order to save/extend the copyright on those recordings
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2000man
What's up with that? Everyone else has released a BBC Sessions album
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mitch
It was seriously considered back in 1998, but aborted for some reasons (very probably copyright issues).
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dcba
What's the point in working on the release spending wekks on it too see the money gengerated by sales going to Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley's estate, etc etc.
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mitch
It was seriously considered back in 1998, but aborted for some reasons (very probably copyright issues).
You mean songwriting rights? What's the point in working on the release spending wekks on it too see the money gengerated by sales going to Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley's estate, etc etc.
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dcba
What's the point in working on the release spending wekks on it too see the money gengerated by sales going to Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley's estate, etc etc.
Well, this consideration didn't prevent the Beatles "Live at the BBC" to be released.
But I agree the stones whole BBC sessions will offer less than 5 songs written by the stones (counting Dust My Pyramids...).
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ash
I'm not sure Dust My Pyramids still exists.
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ash
I'm not sure Dust My Pyramids still exists.
For your information:
1998 Jan. 4: Early Rolling Stones Recordings Found
BBC archivists and retired producers have unearthed more than 20 'lost' recordings from the early career of the Rolling Stones, which may now be released as a potentially best-selling disc, according to Sunday Times. The songs were recorded for BBC radio between October 1963 and September 1965. Archivists at the BBC had uncovered 13 of the original 42 titles recorded by the group for radio. In addition, it said, more than 10 others had been preserved by former producers who should have ``wiped'' the tapes. Late additions: Two of the recovered songs are Dust My Pyramids (written by B.Jones and Richards?) and I Wanna Love You from the Rhytmn and Blues session.
[www.iorr.org]
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MrEcho
The new European copyright law from 2011 protects recordings (the laws for compositions are different) made in 1963 or later for 70 years, but only if the recordings were published within 50 years after they were made. Recordings made before 1963 are out of copyright in the EU.
If they remain unreleased, recordings from 1965 will fall out of copyright in the EU at the end of 2015 (it does not matter if they circulate among collectors or not). For 1966 the cut off date would be the end of 2016 and so on. It would be legal for anybody to release those recordings in Europe.
In recent years Bob Dylan's people have addressed the problem by releasing so-called "50th Anniversary Collections" of previously unreleased material in limited quantities in Europe in order to save/extend the copyright on those recordings.
If the Rolling Stones do not do something similar, the European labels specializing in out-of-copyright recordings could release previously unreleased 1965 live and studio recordings next year and it would be perfectly legal in the EU.
Does anybody know if the Rolling Stones will address the problem, or will they simply let the recordings fall out of copyright in the EU?
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MrThompsonWooft
The Beatles got around this in 2013 by releasing via itunes about 50 outtakes from 63/64. They were heavily priced and only available for a short period. But it was sufficient to establish ownership. Maybe the Stones will follow...... like they did with TSMR ;-)
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Mathijs
This has been dealt with a couple of years ago. The 70 years copyright protection can be extended by transfering copyrights. The 70 year period then starts all over.
Mathijs