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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.
Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.
I can see why that other site peed you off a bit.
I just has a look and they think i am a moron.
well their right about something lol
And I was referred to as 'dense', so that makes two of us!
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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.
Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.
I can see why that other site peed you off a bit.
I just has a look and they think i am a moron.
well their right about something lol
And I was referred to as 'dense', so that makes two of us!
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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.
Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.
I imagine that Bill's alternate travel plans are greatly exaggerated by Keith.
And how would it have an impact on band dynamics anyway? Keith and Bill barely spoke to each other for decades, and I don't think The Glimmers were spending any time together really... unless you believe they're "thick as thieves" ...surely another gross exaggeration.
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Keith said the reason Bill left was because he refused to fly any more. He kept travelling from state to state, city to city by other means.
Yes, good point. This must've had an impact on the band dynamic.
I imagine that Bill's alternate travel plans are greatly exaggerated by Keith.
And how would it have an impact on band dynamics anyway? Keith and Bill barely spoke to each other for decades, and I don't think The Glimmers were spending any time together really... unless you believe they're "thick as thieves" ...surely another gross exaggeration.
Regardless, Bill's fear of flying was a major factor in his deciding to leave. He hasn't flown for touring purposes in the Rhythm Kings or other ventures.
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And the RS store would probably be selling metal-detectors ...
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I prefer Darryl...
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I prefer Darryl...
I do too
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Olly, it's a shame that you haven't appreciated Bill's bass playing throughout the recordings. I highlight the Hampton 1981 concert as one example. I hope one day you give him his dues, I know he's not as exciting as Darryl Jones or technically as able but that isn't the be all and end all, it's about understanding the music and the mood, and Bill did that just fine.
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Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?
Probably not Olly. I sure wish he had stayed from a purely selfish musical perspective. I think he could have hung in there and gained considerable financial reward as well. They have really developed the business since he left, I can't imagine playing bass for the Rolling Stones would be so difficult to endure considering the benefits. I also think if he would have stuck it out he would really enjoy the current more sober band.
But the real question is did he think he made a wise decision. He says so but I also get the feeling he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.
Yes, it's hard for me to imagine Wyman on the more recent Stones tours; perhaps because of his relatively advanced years and his general stage presence.
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Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?
Probably not Olly. I sure wish he had stayed from a purely selfish musical perspective. I think he could have hung in there and gained considerable financial reward as well. They have really developed the business since he left, I can't imagine playing bass for the Rolling Stones would be so difficult to endure considering the benefits. I also think if he would have stuck it out he would really enjoy the current more sober band.
But the real question is did he think he made a wise decision. He says so but I also get the feeling he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.
Yes, it's hard for me to imagine Wyman on the more recent Stones tours; perhaps because of his relatively advanced years and his general stage presence.
Hell, he might seem more mobile than Keith, now that Keith's an arthritic mummy compared to earlier tours.
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Olly if the grimace you are referring to is the one at 0:59 in the video below, I think you may be totally misinterpreting Bills expression. It actually looks to me as it he is actually getting into his own playing there at the start of the phrase in way that is quite characteristic of many rock guitarists (like Joe Walsh or even Ronnie). Not a common sight for Bill, of course, but it seems to me like just the opposite of what you describe.
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Yes, that's the one Naturalust. You may be right and the moment's singular nature may be the reason it stands out to me.
Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?
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Can we agree that Wyman made a wise decision to leave the band when he did?
Probably not Olly. I sure wish he had stayed from a purely selfish musical perspective. I think he could have hung in there and gained considerable financial reward as well. They have really developed the business since he left, I can't imagine playing bass for the Rolling Stones would be so difficult to endure considering the benefits. I also think if he would have stuck it out he would really enjoy the current more sober band.
But the real question is did he think he made a wise decision. He says so but I also get the feeling he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.
Yes, it's hard for me to imagine Wyman on the more recent Stones tours; perhaps because of his relatively advanced years and his general stage presence.
Hell, he might seem more mobile than Keith, now that Keith's an arthritic mummy compared to earlier tours.
because of his stage presence? really olly? bill wyman defined the proper stage presence of a stones bassist : it is and will always be the job of the bass player to look bored, slightly aloof of the band, and giving creepy smiles to women in the crowd.
bill wyman defines what a stones bassist should be. whatever bill wyman did/would do is the definition of what the stones bassist should.
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he misses the adoration and excitement of touring with the Stones and is a bit too proud to ever discuss it with brutal honesty.
YEP!!! ...
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Darryl and Bill are completely different stories. I respect both of them, but prefer Darryl. Their sound got groovier with him. I can't say HTW or IORR were taken into new heights when Bill guested at O2 in 2012. Still I would love to hear a full Stones concert with Bill again. Maybe it would refresh their sound. Somehow everything has gotten a bit too steady and rock solid and predictable with Darryl on the bass the last years. His playing does nothing to save the not so good Stones concerts these days. Bill is a far more adventurous bass player. Darryl is more advanced.
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Hell, he might seem more mobile than Keith, now that Keith's an arthritic mummy compared to earlier tours.
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I wish he'd stayed in the band. They wouldn't have written better songs, but their tours would have been much more fun.
Thoughts?
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They were soldiers and soldiers can be replaced at any time.
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I see lots of analogies between MT and DJ.
Both are younger than the rest of the band.
Both have "technical" skills that exceeded by far the needs of the repertoire of the band.
Both have a radically different style from their respective predecessors.
Both had a huge impact on the sound of the band. Yet, neither of them, as good as they are, can be considered particularly "original" in their respective fields (there are many guitarists a la MT, and many bassists a la DJ. There has been only one Brian and I can't think of another bassist that interpreted the role like Bill). So the big element of novelty with respect to the past has more to do with what they do not play rather than what they play.
Of course both MT and DJ had, in theory, the technical competence to easily play note by note what Brian and Bill did. But the attitude you need to play like Brian and Bill does not belong to their personalities.
In fact, neither MT nor DJ are "rock stars" (pun intended).
Years ago, when I saw my first and only Rhythm Kings' concert, I was impressed by the visual power that Bill still had. His band mates - all great musicians - looked just like any other bar-band player in the world. Bill had the charisma of a true rock star. Bill was a piece of rock history and you could see it.
I never saw Brian Jones in flesh and bones, but there are thousands of pictures and quite some footage too, that tell the same story.
But if we accept the fact that MT and DJ are no Brian and Bill, it's easier to recognize their contribution to the cause.
Well, MT already has a few fans.
I think it's about time we render unto Darryl the things that are Darryl's!
Since I've started playing bass, some years ago, I have a whole new dimension of respect for DJ.
The guy has a fantastic groove and tone. He pulls like a wild horse. His choice of note is less chic than Bill's but equally visceral.
Just listen to Street Fighting Man Zurich 2003 for example, and dare tell me that DJ doesn't fit in the stones!!
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No Jones No Stones
I like this. Its almost something a crowd could chant. Its not true but I like it.
Here let me try one
No beers no hangover....wait, that doesn't rhyme