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there are no rock and roll fans who dont like jimi hendrix.period..

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How would you know that?

I like Rock and Roll and I am not a fan of Hendrix. To me Hendrix is a guy who can obviously do things with a guitar that nobody else can, but it doesn't sound good to me. The only song I would listen to by him if it came on the radio is Red House which I love.

oh man there's a lot more where that came from..

ever listen to 'All Along The Watchtower" - Jimi's cover of the Dylan song...

amazing and even more so the older it gets.

I hate his version of Watchtower. Sometimes less is more. I like Dylan's version a lot better.

well OK.

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there are no rock and roll fans who dont like jimi hendrix.period..

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How would you know that?

I like Rock and Roll and I am not a fan of Hendrix. To me Hendrix is a guy who can obviously do things with a guitar that nobody else can, but it doesn't sound good to me. The only song I would listen to by him if it came on the radio is Red House which I love.

oh man there's a lot more where that came from..

ever listen to 'All Along The Watchtower" - Jimi's cover of the Dylan song...

amazing and even more so the older it gets.

I hate his version of Watchtower. Sometimes less is more. I like Dylan's version a lot better.

I suggest you check out some of the less radio friendly tunes, like Angel, Pali Gap, Hey Baby, Little Wing, Castles Made of Sand, Villanova Junction...some pretty amazing stuff, if you truly can't find anything there you don't like perhaps Hendrix truly isn't your cup of tea.

Of all the American musicians who became popular in the 1960s, it is Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan who will be remembered by history for decades to come, long after the rest are forgotten. They are in the same league as the Beatles and the Stones.

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there are no rock and roll fans who dont like jimi hendrix.period..

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How would you know that?

I like Rock and Roll and I am not a fan of Hendrix. To me Hendrix is a guy who can obviously do things with a guitar that nobody else can, but it doesn't sound good to me. The only song I would listen to by him if it came on the radio is Red House which I love.

oh man there's a lot more where that came from..

ever listen to 'All Along The Watchtower" - Jimi's cover of the Dylan song...

amazing and even more so the older it gets.

I hate his version of Watchtower. Sometimes less is more. I like Dylan's version a lot better.

Jimi understood the concept of less is more, even when covering Dylan. Check out his version of "like a rolling stone" for example. A great example of what a great cover should be - true to the spirit of the original, but a completely different expression of it. also note that they were a 3 piece band :-)

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To me, Jimi Hendrix was just another name I used to read on books and magazines but I could only listen to the first Experience LP (actually, a cassette recorded by a friend of mine who had the re-released CD - 1993 or 94, I think), and it blew my mind. I thought there was nothing more to know about him, until I listened to Axis and Electric Ladyland.

Have you tried band of gypsies?

Yes, of course. Actually, I meant that I didn't knew too much about him on those days, so EL to me was mindblowing.

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Big fan of Jimi..

Born and raised very close to the same neighborhood as Jimi in Seattle, and have been a fan since the first time I heard his music blasting out of a juke-box in a pool hall in the neighborhood. I was a bit young to have seen him live, as my older brother did, a fact that I have always envied..

This statue stands today, not far from where I first heard him..

i know the neighborhood well, i knew the family who bought jimi's dad house, a nice little bungalow in ranier valley. it's great that seattle has stepped forward over the years to commemorate him, and of course the experience music project is worth any music lover's time if you're ever in seattle.

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What is Jimi's best posthumous release?

Cry of Love is pretty hard to beat for me. People say all his posthumous stuff is not worthy, that is just not true. Almost everything the man put on tape is worthy.

The first record I ever bought was War Hero's not his best one but it still cut me deep.

Agreed. I would also add Rainbow Bridge which was released right after Cry of Love and includes Hey Baby (New Rising Sun), Pali Gap, and a smokin' live version of Hear My Train A Comin among others.
Both albums were essential to me when I began playing guitar as a teen in the mid '70's, and they still are essential to this day.

Just last year, both were officially re-released (finally!) on cd and vinyl. My original old vinyl Rainbow Bridge and Cry of Love albums can finally rest in peace, while these new releases are getting lots of wear and tear in my world.

no need to get rainbor bridge or cry of love. all of the songs are on first rays on the new rising sun and south saturn delta

As for me, there is a need.

The original tracklist and album artwork for Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge is far superior to the hodgepodge slapdash of First Rays and South Saturn (which I also own), but that's just my opinion of course.

*Also, the live version of Hear My Train A Comin is not on either of the releases you mention.

i know experience hendrix just rereleased them but i don't need compilations that now are nothing more than a way to get an extra buck when experience hendrix already released everything on them

I suppose if you didn't own the original copies of Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge albums growing up (and played them to death) it wouldn't matter,
but the sequence of tracklisting and the cover artwork on these is ingrained and indelible in my mind which makes them both essential for me.
And again - you won't find the live at Berkeley version of Hear My Train A Comin on either First Rays or South Saturn.


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. which I would agree with.

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Yes, I saw Jimi in Ottawa Canada in February 1968.I was 18 at the time. It was at the old Capital Theatre.I was front row balcony dead center. It was a Saturday. Jimi did a 2p.m. concert then an 8p.m. concert. I was at the 8 p.m. one. The Soft Machine opened for Jimi .What can I say.......he was INCREDIBLE It was also the loudest guitar I have heard in my life. He taped the concert on his sony reel to reel and a live cd of the concert came out I believe in 2002.I still think back to that night and can't believe it. When I mention to music lovers that I saw Jimi, their mouths drop.It was truly an experience seeing him live. The ticket by the way was $3.50 !!!!On another note I saw the Stones in Ottawa in 1965. Going to see them for the 30th time on July 15 in Quebec.

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Of all the American musicians who became popular in the 1960s, it is Jimi Hendrix and Bob Dylan who will be remembered by history for decades to come, long after the rest are forgotten. They are in the same league as the Beatles and the Stones.

Dylan is in the same league as anyone if not above them. Its hype to say Hendrix is right up there with the Beatles,Stones, and Dylan in the history of rock. he is the next level down.

always thought he was vastly overrated

Nice article from last year:

44 Years Later, Jimi Hendrix Is Still the Most Influential Guitarist of All Time

By Tom Barnes November 13, 2014

> Jimi

Jimi Hendrix is about to release new music.

On Wednesday, Rolling Stone reported that Hendrix's bootleg tape, Hear My Music, will finally see an official vinyl release this Record Store Day. It will likely be one of the best-selling records of the day, though Hendrix has been dead for 44 years.

The Hendrix fascination is as alive today as it ever was, and for good reason: Hendrix's revolutionary music, such as the dissonant pageantry of his "Star-Spangled Banner," is still some of the most radical and subversive in American rock canon. He pioneered new musical technologies, styles and techniques, which helped lay the groundwork for new musical genres. And his genre-pushing also gave way to important conversations that have redefined the way we discuss race in music.

Hendrix's impact on music history is so vast and multifaceted, we often forget his career only spanned four years. In those four years, he became the most influential guitar player who ever lived.

Hendrix never really understood people's feverish fascination with him and his music. "It's not unorthodox," he said, talking about his "Star-Spangled Banner" in an interview on the Dick Cavett Show, "I thought it was beautiful."

That encapsulates much of Hendrix's career. He didn't hesitate to push musical boundaries in order to bring the music he heard in his head to life; it came to him intuitively. He embraced new musical technologies, popularized the wah-wah and Octavia guitar pedals when few were even willing to try. "I'd shown it to Jimmy Page, but he thought it was too far out," said Roger Mayer, inventor of the Octavia pedal and a refined version of the wah. "Jimi said, the moment we met, 'Yeah, I'd like to try that stuff.'"

With new effects pedals, Hendrix turned common blues riffs into cosmic dreamscapes, laying the groundwork for everyone from U2's The Edge to Jack White. No one had ever heard a guitar cut like his on the opening of "Purple Haze" or a shimmer with a watery glow like the transcendent solo on "1983... (A Merman I Should Turn To Be)." Hendrix's shredding turned Bob Dylan's folksy "All Along the Watchtower" into a high-stakes spiritual battlefield. Years later, Dylan wondered why Jimi didn't cover more of his songs, explaining, "They were all his anyway."

Hendrix's progressive thinking allowed him to merge rock with genres it had never touched. Pioneers of heavy metal and hard rock frequently cite "Purple Haze" and "Voodoo Chile" as first songs of the genre.

"He must have looked like Satan to people, you know?" said guitarist Nuno Brettencourt from the band Extreme, describing Hendrix's awe-inspiring sound, "Like where did he plug in? Who told him to do it?"

But his influence on modern music ranges far beyond mere heavy metal. He has also been credited for essentially inventing rap. He was the first musician to 'scratch' (manually spinning a vinyl record) on the 1967 song "Are You Experienced," which later became one of the most iconic hip-hop sounds. Later in 1969, Hendrix recorded a 13-minute session called "Doriella Du Fontaine" with Jalal Mansur Nuriddin, a spoken-word poet. Legendary jazz producer Alan Douglas claimed it was the "first rap record ever, although it wasn't called rap back then." The similarities between today's hip-hop stylings and feel and "Doriella Du Fontaine" are obvious.

Hendrix recorded this song in the late '60s period of his career, when he was trying desperately to reach black audiences. Black radio stations had largely dismissed him as being somewhat of an "Uncle Tom figure," playing white music and pandering to white audiences. In response he fired his white band and replaced them with two black musicians. He began playing with a funkier, more soulful vibe. But the attempts to change his sound felt disingenuous to him, and by the end of his life he was back playing with his white band.

"Sometimes when I come up here, people say, 'He plays white rock for white people,'" he said. "'What's he doing up here?' Well, I want to show them that music is universal — that there is no white rock or black rock."

His legacy proved the truth of this. Once Hendrix's music became a centerpiece in American rock, the boundaries that kept "black music" from only referring to blues and soul dissolved. He expanded the possibilities for what black musicians could sound like. Case in point: Hendrix isn't remembered as the first black rock star. He's remembered as the first rock star.

He introduced the world to that brash, violent, don't-give-a-@#$%& attitude all musical badasses emulate today. He helped popularize the practice of smashing instruments onstage. He played his guitars with his teeth, swung them behind his head to solo and set them on fire. The way Hendrix pushed boundaries, he proved that a musician can transcend race, genre and time if one stays true to a musical vision.

Because of this, Hendrix will live on in American music as the most influential guitar player to ever pick up the instrument.

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It's not a stretch to compare Henrix with Elvis, Beatles, Stones, Dylan etc.
There are many people, sorry Stones folks, who finds The Stones not in the same league as Beatles and Dylan and Hendrix more important than The Stones.
We should just agree that he is truely an iconic musical legend who has inspired millions of people.

And here is an article that claims Velvet Underground is as important as anyone including the Beatles. You can find articles like this about many musicians. The problem is its really not true and its just someones minority opinion.


It is a stretch to say that Hendrix is up there with the Beatles and Dylan in the big pictures of Rock. Its something some will claim but most know is just not true. Its tiring listening to people always building up the importance of an artist they like a lot. I am a huge Stones fans but they are not in the same level as Dylan and the Beatles, they are in the next one down and actually Hendrix like the Who and some others are in the one down from that. yes some will claim otherwise and yes they would be wrong. I don't like hyperbole. I am huge accuracy guy.






21 October 2014


When Lou Reed died a few weeks ago at the age of 71, I wrote an obituary asserting that Reed and his band The Velvet Underground influenced rock’s future as much or more than any ‘60s band, including The Beatles.

Please hold the outrage.

There’s no arguing the decades-long ubiquity of the Beatles, the extraordinary impact they had on not just music, but on the counterculture and the way their generational peers thought, spoke, dressed and cut their hair. But in strictly musical terms, the Velvets – Reed, John Cale, Sterling Morrison, Maureen Tucker and, later, Doug Yule were new rock’s future, the band that launched a dozen musical subgenres and movements. The roots of underground and experimental music, indie and alternative, punk, post-punk and art-punk all snake back to the four Velvet Underground studio albums: The Velvet Underground & Nico, White Light/White Heat, The Velvet Underground and Loaded.

“We were the original alternative band,” Morrison told me in 1993, “not because we wanted to be, but because we were shunned into it. For us there was no alternative.”

On the doorstep of the ‘Summer of Love’ in 1967, the Velvets regularly performed an epic, ebb-and-flow song called Heroin that chronicled the travails of a junkie in almost nauseating detail. To title a song after a deadly narcotic was in itself a form of commercial death, a sure way to risk censure and blackballing by record company executives, radio programmers and concert promoters.

The dark side

Though dismissed as 'porn rock' by some, the song is also poignant and frightening. It is among the first examples of a recurring motif in Reed’s lyrics: an ability to describe the lives of outsiders, misfits and outcasts without judging them. Indeed, Reed’s lyrics empathised with and humanised these societal underdogs. Heroin provides insight into the narrator’s motives, a mini-movie about the nature of hard drugs and hard times.

“We were aware at the time that this was the most unusual ‘drug song', if that’s what you want to call it,” Morrison said. “It’s a protest song – it protests everything. It says, ‘I don’t care about any of it, and you’re better off. Because if I did take action, then the implications are dire’. Some people say, ‘Well, it’s just about a junkie.’ But why is he a junkie? What are the alternatives? What would make someone want to nullify his life, as the song says, rather than participate in society?”

The Velvet Underground wanted to participate in musical society, but on their terms. Though pop-art maven Andy Warhol endorsed their first album and provided its iconic, banana cover image, it wasn’t enough to smooth over the band’s sharp edges: the darkly humorous rituals of the drug trade in Waiting for the Man, the sadomasochism of Venus in Furs, the horror of Heroin, the chill of The Black Angel’s Death Song. The music pummeled and droned, a nightmarish swirl of viola, distorted guitars, and tribal drums struck with mallets. But there was also tenderness, sadness, reflection. I’ll Be Your Mirror was as beautiful as any song released in the ‘60s. And the lullaby dreaminess of Sunday Morning, with its chiming celesta, nearly obscures the notion that it’s about the paranoia that follows a night of chemically-induced escapism.

White Light/White Heat is among the noisiest albums ever made, and The Velvet Underground one of the most disquietingly subdued. Loaded was indeed loaded with should-have been hits, including Sweet Jane, Rock ‘n’ Roll and New Age. Yet these albums died virtually un-mourned soon after they were released, a black stain on the prevailing flower-power, all-you-need-is-love era.

Future sounds

It was The Beatles’ decade, after all, and the band remains internationally beloved for their universality and brilliantly crafted, genre-spanning songs. But time has validated the Velvets’ unsentimental music; it has become a touchstone for subsequent generations of music-makers. The values that made The Velvet Underground such pariahs in the ‘60s – the do-it-yourself, under-produced record-making; the utter disregard for fashion; the sceptical, sometimes cynical attitude – were right in line with ‘70s punk, ‘80s indie rock and ‘90s alternative music. “What makes a lot of ideas important is their context,” the Flaming Lips’ Wayne Coyne once told me. “The Velvets never sounded to me like a ‘60s band.”

Part of it was the deceptive simplicity of the songs: a handful of chords and indelible riffs as a foundation for stories and vignettes that connected Reed to his literary heroes: Nelson Algren, Charles Bukowski and his college mentor, Delmore Schwartz. The Velvets merged low and high art that disdained the middle, and made it cool to be not just different, but to amplify those differences. Cale called it “a theory of stubbornness”.

Name just about any left-of-centre band or artist since the ‘70s (the Sex Pistols, Joy Division, Sonic Youth, Galaxie 500, Spiritualized, Nick Cave, PJ Harvey) and a bunch that became mainstream giants (R.E.M., U2, Talking Heads) and they all acknowledge a deep debt to the Velvet Underground. Not bad for a band that was once dismissed and derided, as Reed acknowledged in the early ‘90s : “I just keeping thinking that when The Velvet Underground first came out with songs like ‘Heroin’, we were so savaged for it” he said. “Here it is a few decades later, and I have those lyrics published in a book, and I’m giving readings at art museums. We wanted to make records that would stick around like great novels or movies, and we believed in what we were doing, even if nobody else did.”

Greg Kot is the music critic at the Chicago Tribune. His work can be found here

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What is Jimi's best posthumous release?

Cry of Love is pretty hard to beat for me. People say all his posthumous stuff is not worthy, that is just not true. Almost everything the man put on tape is worthy.

The first record I ever bought was War Hero's not his best one but it still cut me deep.

Agreed. I would also add Rainbow Bridge which was released right after Cry of Love and includes Hey Baby (New Rising Sun), Pali Gap, and a smokin' live version of Hear My Train A Comin among others.
Both albums were essential to me when I began playing guitar as a teen in the mid '70's, and they still are essential to this day.

Just last year, both were officially re-released (finally!) on cd and vinyl. My original old vinyl Rainbow Bridge and Cry of Love albums can finally rest in peace, while these new releases are getting lots of wear and tear in my world.

no need to get rainbor bridge or cry of love. all of the songs are on first rays on the new rising sun and south saturn delta

As for me, there is a need.

The original tracklist and album artwork for Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge is far superior to the hodgepodge slapdash of First Rays and South Saturn (which I also own), but that's just my opinion of course.

*Also, the live version of Hear My Train A Comin is not on either of the releases you mention.

i know experience hendrix just rereleased them but i don't need compilations that now are nothing more than a way to get an extra buck when experience hendrix already released everything on them

I suppose if you didn't own the original copies of Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge albums growing up (and played them to death) it wouldn't matter,
but the sequence of tracklisting and the cover artwork on these is ingrained and indelible in my mind which makes them both essential for me.
And again - you won't find the live at Berkeley version of Hear My Train A Comin on either First Rays or South Saturn.


And as vudicus stated:

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"The mastering on the recent "Cry of Love" and "Rainbow Bridge" CD's are much better than "First Rays" and "South Saturn Delta" in my opinion"

. which I would agree with.

yeah not sure if i have that version of hear my train on something else. i have like 7 versions though at least lol

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The problem is its really not true and its just someones minority opinion.

As far as this thread is concerned, looks like you are indeed in the minority with your opposing opinion.

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It is a stretch to say that Hendrix is up there with the Beatles and Dylan in the big pictures of Rock. Its something some will claim but most know is just not true. Its tiring listening to people always building up the importance of an artist they like a lot. I am a huge Stones fans but they are not in the same level as Dylan and the Beatles, they are in the next one down and actually Hendrix like the Who and some others are in the one down from that. yes some will claim otherwise and yes they would be wrong. I don't like hyperbole. I am huge accuracy guy.

So I suppose you have secret knowledge regarding the "holy grail" of rock and roll, and whoever see's it differently would be a heretic ?
You have a right to think what you want, but to say someone is wrong who disagrees with you is closed minded at best.
When you get a chance, please tell me the criteria in which you base your infallible "accuracy" so maybe I can be enlightened to the "truth" as you know it.

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Cry of Love is pretty hard to beat for me. People say all his posthumous stuff is not worthy, that is just not true. Almost everything the man put on tape is worthy.

The first record I ever bought was War Hero's not his best one but it still cut me deep.

Agreed. I would also add Rainbow Bridge which was released right after Cry of Love and includes Hey Baby (New Rising Sun), Pali Gap, and a smokin' live version of Hear My Train A Comin among others.
Both albums were essential to me when I began playing guitar as a teen in the mid '70's, and they still are essential to this day.

Just last year, both were officially re-released (finally!) on cd and vinyl. My original old vinyl Rainbow Bridge and Cry of Love albums can finally rest in peace, while these new releases are getting lots of wear and tear in my world.

no need to get rainbor bridge or cry of love. all of the songs are on first rays on the new rising sun and south saturn delta

As for me, there is a need.

The original tracklist and album artwork for Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge is far superior to the hodgepodge slapdash of First Rays and South Saturn (which I also own), but that's just my opinion of course.

*Also, the live version of Hear My Train A Comin is not on either of the releases you mention.

First Rays was supposedly based on the setlist Jimi proposed for his next album before he died so I would hardly say it was a Hodge podge. Actually Cry and Rainbow were a Hodge podge of unreleased tracks to cash in on his name which while good were not Jimi's vision of what he would have released.

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The problem is its really not true and its just someones minority opinion.

As far as this thread is concerned, looks like you are indeed in the minority with your opposing opinion.

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It is a stretch to say that Hendrix is up there with the Beatles and Dylan in the big pictures of Rock. Its something some will claim but most know is just not true. Its tiring listening to people always building up the importance of an artist they like a lot. I am a huge Stones fans but they are not in the same level as Dylan and the Beatles, they are in the next one down and actually Hendrix like the Who and some others are in the one down from that. yes some will claim otherwise and yes they would be wrong. I don't like hyperbole. I am huge accuracy guy.

So I suppose you have secret knowledge regarding the "holy grail" of rock and roll, and whoever see's it differently would be a heretic ?
You have a right to think what you want, but to say someone is wrong who disagrees with you is closed minded at best.
When you get a chance, please tell me the criteria in which you base your infallible "accuracy" so maybe I can be enlightened to the "truth" as you know it.

LOL. Stanlove, even The Stones, what's left of the Beatles, Dylan and whoever else you think is in the top would be the first to admit that Hendrix was in the same league with them. Not only was Hendrix earning considerably more than all of them for live performances before he died, Macca still does a tribute to him at his recent live shows, basically still worships the guy hearing him talk about him.

You may be just as prejudiced against him because you don't like him, but no one can deny his super stardom, his HUGE influence on rock music and all things guitar and his place in the history of Rock music. Yes of course Dylan and The Beatles are on top of the heap, but Hendrix came along and even rocked their world.

Dylan was influenced enough by him to change the way he plays Watchtower..Quotes from Bob:

Dylan has described his reaction to hearing Hendrix's version: "It overwhelmed me, really. He had such talent, he could find things inside a song and vigorously develop them. He found things that other people wouldn't think of finding in there. He probably improved upon it by the spaces he was using. I took license with the song from his version, actually, and continue to do it to this day."

"We can't forget Jimi Hendrix. I actually saw Jimi perform when he was with a band called Jimmy James and the Blue Flames. Something like that. And Jimi didn't even sing. He was just the guitar player," Dylan said. "He took some small songs of mine that nobody paid any attention to and brought them up into the outer limits of the stratosphere, turned them all into classics. I have to thank Jimi, too. I wish he was here."

stanlove, even if you don't like the man, to deny his massive influence on just about every Rock guitar player that came (before and) after him is hyperbole and untrue, and if you are truly a huge accuracy guy, you will eventually come around to understanding that Jimi was indeed at the top of the heap and any accurate history must say so. Right up there with Dylan and the Beatles, imho....Dylan was the poet, The Beatles the pop sensations turned songwriters and Hendrix the musician and guitar genius. That's how history will be told if accuracy is intact.

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Cry of Love is pretty hard to beat for me. People say all his posthumous stuff is not worthy, that is just not true. Almost everything the man put on tape is worthy.

The first record I ever bought was War Hero's not his best one but it still cut me deep.

Agreed. I would also add Rainbow Bridge which was released right after Cry of Love and includes Hey Baby (New Rising Sun), Pali Gap, and a smokin' live version of Hear My Train A Comin among others.
Both albums were essential to me when I began playing guitar as a teen in the mid '70's, and they still are essential to this day.

Just last year, both were officially re-released (finally!) on cd and vinyl. My original old vinyl Rainbow Bridge and Cry of Love albums can finally rest in peace, while these new releases are getting lots of wear and tear in my world.

no need to get rainbor bridge or cry of love. all of the songs are on first rays on the new rising sun and south saturn delta

As for me, there is a need.

The original tracklist and album artwork for Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge is far superior to the hodgepodge slapdash of First Rays and South Saturn (which I also own), but that's just my opinion of course.

*Also, the live version of Hear My Train A Comin is not on either of the releases you mention.

First Rays was supposedly based on the setlist Jimi proposed for his next album before he died so I would hardly say it was a Hodge podge. Actually Cry and Rainbow were a Hodge podge of unreleased tracks to cash in on his name which while good were not Jimi's vision of what he would have released.

in the end they are all guesses but yes supposedly the album hendrix was working on was to be a double album

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Cry of Love is pretty hard to beat for me. People say all his posthumous stuff is not worthy, that is just not true. Almost everything the man put on tape is worthy.

The first record I ever bought was War Hero's not his best one but it still cut me deep.

Agreed. I would also add Rainbow Bridge which was released right after Cry of Love and includes Hey Baby (New Rising Sun), Pali Gap, and a smokin' live version of Hear My Train A Comin among others.
Both albums were essential to me when I began playing guitar as a teen in the mid '70's, and they still are essential to this day.

Just last year, both were officially re-released (finally!) on cd and vinyl. My original old vinyl Rainbow Bridge and Cry of Love albums can finally rest in peace, while these new releases are getting lots of wear and tear in my world.

no need to get rainbor bridge or cry of love. all of the songs are on first rays on the new rising sun and south saturn delta

As for me, there is a need.

The original tracklist and album artwork for Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge is far superior to the hodgepodge slapdash of First Rays and South Saturn (which I also own), but that's just my opinion of course.

*Also, the live version of Hear My Train A Comin is not on either of the releases you mention.

First Rays was supposedly based on the setlist Jimi proposed for his next album before he died so I would hardly say it was a Hodge podge. Actually Cry and Rainbow were a Hodge podge of unreleased tracks to cash in on his name which while good were not Jimi's vision of what he would have released.

Yes true, perhaps I should have clarified that First Rays seems a hodgepodge for me after growing up with the tracklisting for Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge.
While the tracklisting for First Rays is what Jimi may have proposed before he died, it was never fully etched in stone and is possibly only one of several tracklistings he was thinking about.

"The original plans for the album changed many times and were never finalized. Hendrix was looking towards releasing a double or even triple LP".

> Fisrt Rays

To release this fantasy version 27 years after he died seems just as much of a cash in to me as you may think Rainbow Bridge and Cry of Love were. And now the fact that they officially re-release Cry of Love and Rainbow Bridge seems to be the ultimate cash in, but I for one am happy they did for reasons I already stated.

Whatever the case, I'm no Hendrix encyclopedia and/or expert as far as posthumously released material is concerned, but I have enough knowledge and love for him as a musician to know he will forever be in the history books as the rock icon that he certainly is.

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Bob Dylan gave a speech recently where he said one of the things he was mist grateful for in his career was jimi covering his songs.

Turner68, you're a welcome addition to IORR, as far as I'm concerned. I've
enjoyed numerous of your posts.

In October 1968, I was with Jimi in a small recording studio in Hollywood.
When he took a break, I put a hot off the press page from Melody Maker with
its review of "All Along the Watch Tower" into his hands. Tears came into his eyes as he read it. He admired Dylan so very much and this rave review
for his version of Bob's song literally meant everything to Hendrix.
"Can I borrow it? he asked. "I brought it for you to keep," I said.

Several months later Jimi began a habit of bringing certain of his belongings
to my apartment where I had a carport with a long wooden storage cabinet...The last box he brought over he put on the dining room table.

He showed me what was inside..On top of the pile was the Melody Maker clipping.

I brought over a roll of Scotch tape. Jimi picked up the clipping and read
it to himself one more time.

Gently, he tucked it inside..pulled out an orange Magic Marker from his jacket

and printed one word on the top of the box TREASURES

He is my lovely musician !!!

thank you stonesrule. great story. great thread.

It's like what Keith said about Robert Johnson: something like, the world was all black and white until he came along, and then, WOW, technicolor!

No one did more to change playing the electric guitar.

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The problem is its really not true and its just someones minority opinion.

As far as this thread is concerned, looks like you are indeed in the minority with your opposing opinion.

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It is a stretch to say that Hendrix is up there with the Beatles and Dylan in the big pictures of Rock. Its something some will claim but most know is just not true. Its tiring listening to people always building up the importance of an artist they like a lot. I am a huge Stones fans but they are not in the same level as Dylan and the Beatles, they are in the next one down and actually Hendrix like the Who and some others are in the one down from that. yes some will claim otherwise and yes they would be wrong. I don't like hyperbole. I am huge accuracy guy.

So I suppose you have secret knowledge regarding the "holy grail" of rock and roll, and whoever see's it differently would be a heretic ?
You have a right to think what you want, but to say someone is wrong who disagrees with you is closed minded at best.
When you get a chance, please tell me the criteria in which you base your infallible "accuracy" so maybe I can be enlightened to the "truth" as you know it.

LOL. Stanlove, even The Stones, what's left of the Beatles, Dylan and whoever else you think is in the top would be the first to admit that Hendrix was in the same league with them. Not only was Hendrix earning considerably more than all of them for live performances before he died, Macca still does a tribute to him at his recent live shows, basically still worships the guy hearing him talk about him.

You may be just as prejudiced against him because you don't like him, but no one can deny his super stardom, his HUGE influence on rock music and all things guitar and his place in the history of Rock music. Yes of course Dylan and The Beatles are on top of the heap, but Hendrix came along and even rocked their world.

Dylan was influenced enough by him to change the way he plays Watchtower..Quotes from Bob:

Dylan has described his reaction to hearing Hendrix's version: "It overwhelmed me, really. He had such talent, he could find things inside a song and vigorously develop them. He found things that other people wouldn't think of finding in there. He probably improved upon it by the spaces he was using. I took license with the song from his version, actually, and continue to do it to this day."

"We can't forget Jimi Hendrix. I actually saw Jimi perform when he was with a band called Jimmy James and the Blue Flames. Something like that. And Jimi didn't even sing. He was just the guitar player," Dylan said. "He took some small songs of mine that nobody paid any attention to and brought them up into the outer limits of the stratosphere, turned them all into classics. I have to thank Jimi, too. I wish he was here."

stanlove, even if you don't like the man, to deny his massive influence on just about every Rock guitar player that came (before and) after him is hyperbole and untrue, and if you are truly a huge accuracy guy, you will eventually come around to understanding that Jimi was indeed at the top of the heap and any accurate history must say so. Right up there with Dylan and the Beatles, imho....Dylan was the poet, The Beatles the pop sensations turned songwriters and Hendrix the musician and guitar genius. That's how history will be told if accuracy is intact.

You just said the Stones,Dylan, and the Beatles would be the first to admit that Hendrix was in a league with them in the history of Rock and then you gave no evidence of that. You gave examples of them saying nice things about them which of course is totally different.


I am not like most on rock message boards who go around making the case that if someone is my favorite that makes them among the greatest. I like Springsteen much better then the Beatles but would never try to claim he ranks with the Beatles in the history of rock.

Here is where music talk on the internet gets frustrating. You mention that some of those legends had nice things to say about Hendrix so you win the argument but you ignore that those legends had nice things to say about a lot of artists.

And your saying that Hendrix was earning more then them as live performers makes it very hard to take you seriously at all. You are another rock fan trying to build up a rock star that you like. I don't get why rock fans do this. I recently had fans tell me that Deep Purple was bigger draw then the Stones or Zeppelin. I could give a lot of examples of Rock fans making these silly claims.

BY the way I already said I think he will go down as the best quitarist ever, but that doesn't put you into the same league as Dylan,Beatles, or Stones.



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A friend of mine, who was 17 at the time, saw Jimi Hendrix's last regular concert on the isle of Fehmarn/Germany. But he says he was so stoned at the time that all he remembers is that Jimi wore red pants. ;-)



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[You just said the Stones,Dylan, and the Beatles would be the first to admit that Hendrix was in a league with them in the history of Rock and then you gave no evidence of that. You gave examples of them saying nice things about them which of course is totally different.


I am not like most on rock message boards who go around making the case that if someone is my favorite that makes them among the greatest. I like Springsteen much better then the Beatles but would never try to claim he ranks with the Beatles in the history of rock.

Here is where music talk on the internet gets frustrating. You mention that some of those legends had nice things to say about Hendrix so you win the argument but you ignore that those legends had nice things to say about a lot of artists.

And your saying that Hendrix was earning more then them as live performers makes it very hard to take you seriously at all. You are another rock fan trying to build up a rock star that you like.

Really don't think Hendrix needs much building up from me stanlove. I guess I was just trying to put his legacy in a perspective that you might understand in terms of music history. When you are getting nods like that from Macca and Bob Dylan 44 years after your time on earth, I'd say that history is smiling on you pretty well. My mention of his performance fees was to show that he was obviously valued very highly during his life, more so than other artists, not sure why you think that is a reason to not take me seriously?

In fact I find it kind of silly to find myself having to defend the guy at all. It just seems so obvious to me that he is one of the true greats of the Rock world. Regardless of my personal feeling for him, I truly think he is without a peer...to this day.

The Experience museum in Seattle honors the man in pretty historically significant ways, a great place to visit for any fan of rock music, inspired by Hendrix and a pretty lasting institution to his greatness.

Perhaps we just look at rock history differently, everyone has their own take on what is important, who was best, who was most influential, etc. All I can say is that Hendrix was #1 for me and probably 10 million+ other guitar players.

Awesome story, stonesrule. Thanks for sharing.

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Awesome story, stonesrule. Thanks for sharing.

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Indeed a great contribution from stonesrule. I welcome more of these stories!

stonesrule, didn't you write a book on Jimi? I would be interested in knowing the title so I could pick it up. Thanks