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Not enough noodling wiped, imho. Please Minimise or/and wipe MT on the next reissues of GHS/IORR.

The Stones were obviously very aware that wiping had to be done.

wha? Ghs? Iorr? I actually agree on if you cant rock me and dance little sister. But the wiping was likely keith bring keith. He dominated others like that from what i can tell.

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There are a couple of places on Ya-Ya's where Taylor's parts were replaced by overdubs by Richards. I quote from [www.iorr.org]

JJF - Taylor partially removed during the outro section (the E - D - C# - B parts)
Carol - Taylor's main rhythm part, overdubbed by Richards. Taylor's counter turn-arounds still present
Midnight Rambler - Taylor removed during parts of the slow, middle piece. Probably due to tuning problems / tuning up
Little Queenie - Taylors main rhythm guitar replaced by Richards
Honky Tonk Woman – Taylor’s rhythm guitar replaced in the solo section

There are probably a few places on Exile, but I don't know for sure. Rocks Off has a Taylor guitar mixed very low in the middle of the field. I'm pretty sure it was a production/mixing decision to mix it low and let Keith's two guitars in either channel dominate the tune. But I'm not sure if anything has was wiped.

There's an early mix of Rip This Joint with more lead guitar fills by Taylor that's been wiped for the final version.

Really? I always thought MR on GYYYO the only original track.

There is a rehearsal of Rip This Joint with Taylor slide that is not on the released version. However this feels like practice jam through it rather than something then wiped as the slide is a bit out of tune.

While I like some of the ideas I can understand why it was not recorded like this as the slide does not really fir with the 50's rock and roll vibe Keith was after.

video: [www.youtube.com]

I do however love the slow version of Lovin Cup with lots of Taylor! Let It Loose from Exile could have used some Taylor as it reminded me of I Got The Blues so some cool weaving would have been good.



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The Stones always record many tracks and in the end use the ones that sound best for a particular song. Early versions with different tracks float around, but I wouldn't use the word 'wiped', they were just not used in the end.

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There is a rehearsal of Rip This Joint with Taylor slide that is not on the released version. However this feels like practice jam through it rather than something then wiped as the slide is a bit out of tune.

While I like some of the ideas I can understand why it was not recorded like this as the slide does not really fir with the 50's rock and roll vibe Keith was after.

video: [www.youtube.com]

You have a point there -- I agree that the slide doesn't sound good -- but the rest of the recording sounds identical to the basic track of the released version. It's possible that Mick T's sloppy slide is an overdub, a sort of try-out that was replaced later. He does play slide on the released version (unless that's Keith, but I don't think it is).

yep that's Keith on Rip This joint - slide parts

In regards to Taylor's 'wiped-guitars' on the Ya-Ya's release: one has to ask, why?

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In regards to Taylor's 'wiped-guitars' on the Ya-Ya's release: one has to ask, why?

Why does stuff get wiped out? Could be technical problems, interfering notes, lack of punch. Could be anything, really.

My guess is that on LQ and C, in particular, Keith (or Mick, Keith and Jimmy, probably) felt that those songs needed some extra rhythm guitar.

I remember hearing a version of Brown Sugar where Taylor plays a counter melody under the chorus. It is the melody he tends to play live.I can't seem to find it now, does anyone know which take this is?

I maybe simply mistaken of course. So far I have heard a version with Taylor playing some simple arpeggios and a very brief solo and then another with more Keith lead guitar on the intro as well as the Eric Clapton version. God how many mixes are there of this tune! There is also a version on Hot Rocks that is different I think?

I used to wish BS has some Taylor guitar on it but apart from the counter melody he did not seem to play anything that really changed the vibe of the song, at least not on the studio version.



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The Stones always record many tracks and in the end use the ones that sound best for a particular song. Early versions with different tracks float around, but I wouldn't use the word 'wiped', they were just not used in the end.

That's it. And considering it was probably only Keith, Mick and the engineers and producer in the studio for the final mix sessions, it's logical that Keith would be recruited to redo tracks that had issues. Maybe there was a bit of Keith's ego involved, who knows? He was obviously capable of doing just about all the rhythm work but probably knew he couldn't touch Taylor's lead stuff.

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I remember hearing a version of Brown Sugar where Taylor plays a counter melody under the chorus. It is the melody he tends to play live.I can't seem to find it now, does anyone know which take this is?

I maybe simply mistaken of course. So far I have heard a version with Taylor playing some simple arpeggios and a very brief solo and then another with more Keith lead guitar on the intro as well as the Eric Clapton version. God how many mixes are there of this tune! There is also a version on Hot Rocks that is different I think?

I used to wish BS has some Taylor guitar on it but apart from the counter melody he did not seem to play anything that really changed the vibe of the song, at least not on the studio version.

The version with the arpeggios is Keith. Taylor did the solo. You can hear clearly that the arpeggios are on the same channel as the embryonic Berry licks (right channel). I just posted that version for you in one of the Taylor threads you created today

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That's crazy, kleerie. He's all over IORR, except for the title track and ATPTB.

He's even important on SAC, even though Keith plays the lead guitar.

Are you saying I'm crazy?

He's not on Ain't TPTB, Luxury and IORR, and only a snippet of his guitar on S&C.

He stands out on three songs: Time WFNO, FF and (with Keith) on Dance LS. That's about it.

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There are a couple of places on Ya-Ya's where Taylor's parts were replaced by overdubs by Richards. I quote from [www.iorr.org]

JJF - Taylor partially removed during the outro section (the E - D - C# - B parts)
Carol - Taylor's main rhythm part, overdubbed by Richards. Taylor's counter turn-arounds still present
Midnight Rambler - Taylor removed during parts of the slow, middle piece. Probably due to tuning problems / tuning up
Little Queenie - Taylors main rhythm guitar replaced by Richards
Honky Tonk Woman – Taylor’s rhythm guitar replaced in the solo section

There are probably a few places on Exile, but I don't know for sure. Rocks Off has a Taylor guitar mixed very low in the middle of the field. I'm pretty sure it was a production/mixing decision to mix it low and let Keith's two guitars in either channel dominate the tune. But I'm not sure if anything has was wiped.

There's an early mix of Rip This Joint with more lead guitar fills by Taylor that's been wiped for the final version.

Really? I always thought MR on GYYYO the only original track.

I can't speak to any of the claims in the original post, but I can say that after hearing the bootleg of the Baltimore show (Nov 26), Love In Vain is 100% live. Every note, every word matches up with GYYYO.

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That's crazy, kleerie. He's all over IORR, except for the title track and ATPTB.

He's even important on SAC, even though Keith plays the lead guitar.

Are you saying I'm crazy?

He's not on Ain't TPTB, Luxury and IORR, and only a snippet of his guitar on S&C.

He stands out on three songs: Time WFNO, FF and (with Keith) on Dance LS. That's about it.

I would never refer to you as "that"

He certainly stands out more on IYCRM than on DLS, sonically and quality-wise.

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DandelionPowderman
That's crazy, kleerie. He's all over IORR, except for the title track and ATPTB.

He's even important on SAC, even though Keith plays the lead guitar.

Are you saying I'm crazy?

He's not on Ain't TPTB, Luxury and IORR, and only a snippet of his guitar on S&C.

He stands out on three songs: Time WFNO, FF and (with Keith) on Dance LS. That's about it.

I would never refer to you as "that"

He certainly stands out more on IYCRM than on DLS, sonically and quality-wise.

Okay, now I see the comma.

He he ><

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I remember hearing a version of Brown Sugar where Taylor plays a counter melody under the chorus. It is the melody he tends to play live.I can't seem to find it now, does anyone know which take this is?

I maybe simply mistaken of course. So far I have heard a version with Taylor playing some simple arpeggios and a very brief solo and then another with more Keith lead guitar on the intro as well as the Eric Clapton version. God how many mixes are there of this tune! There is also a version on Hot Rocks that is different I think?

I used to wish BS has some Taylor guitar on it but apart from the counter melody he did not seem to play anything that really changed the vibe of the song, at least not on the studio version.

The version with the arpeggios is Keith. Taylor did the solo. You can hear clearly that the arpeggios are on the same channel as the embryonic Berry licks (right channel). I just posted that version for you in one of the Taylor threads you created today

Thanks I will check it out!

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He he ><

Just a quick unrelated question...is that emoticon a thumbs up smiley or someone flipping the bird with both hands and a sarcastic smile on his face?

Thumbs up smiley for the (almost) clever rebound comment from kleerie.



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He he ><

Just a quick unrelated question...is that emoticon a thumbs up smiley or someone flipping the bird with both hands and a sarcastic smile on his face?

Double bird flip. ><

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He he ><

Just a quick unrelated question...is that emoticon a thumbs up smiley or someone flipping the bird with both hands and a sarcastic smile on his face?

Double bird flip. ><

Sure looks that way to me. The red face, the hand on both sides of the upraised finger. Besides we already have this for the thumbs up. I'm going with your answer HM, never used that emoticon before (because of my confusion) but if I do I want everyone to know what I mean.

It's known as the "@#$%& you" smiley.





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It's known as the "@#$%& you" smiley.

Someone better tell DP.

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His Majesty
It's known as the "@#$%& you" smiley.

Someone better tell DP.

I see bv has re-named it the "thumbs up smiley".

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His Majesty
It's known as the "@#$%& you" smiley.

Someone better tell DP.

I see bv has re-named it the "thumbs up smiley".

Well they say a picture is worth a thousand words, certainly worth more than three describing it and the two it characterizes. Thank you for clearing this up for me.



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Re Goats Head Soup

I feel it becomes a stronger album if you add Tops and Waiting on a Friend to it. I don't know what state the tunes were in during the GHS sessions but if they were reasonably complete I think it is a shame they were not included.If it was a timing issue I would happily remove Coming Down Again.

Dancing with Mr. D
100 Years Ago
Coming Down Again
Waiting on a Friend
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Angie
Silver Train
Tops
Hide Your Love
Winter
Can You Hear the Music
Star Star

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His Majesty
It's known as the "@#$%& you" smiley.

Someone better tell DP.

I see bv has re-named it the "thumbs up smiley".

Like I would have any hesitation giving kleerie the finger if I wanted to...

This was a laughing thumbs up

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Like I would have any hesitation giving kleerie the finger if I wanted to...

This was a laughing thumbs up

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Like I would have any hesitation giving kleerie the finger if I wanted to...

This was a laughing thumbs up

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Now I am confused, not knowing if I have to feel offended or not!

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Re Goats Head Soup

I feel it becomes a stronger album if you add Tops and Waiting on a Friend to it. I don't know what state the tunes were in during the GHS sessions but if they were reasonably complete I think it is a shame they were not included.If it was a timing issue I would happily remove Coming Down Again.

Dancing with Mr. D
100 Years Ago
Coming Down Again
Waiting on a Friend
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Angie
Silver Train
Tops
Hide Your Love
Winter
Can You Hear the Music
Star Star

Tops and Waiting FAF would destroy the whole unique GHS-mood.