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DaveG, you have to get up pretty early to beat me.
But he did much in cooperation with a certain other band member.
You beat me to saying "You beat me to it!"!
Why not? "Mick" did, once....
stonehearted, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat me to saying that you beat me to it.
That's what I get for being a night person.
LOL
I think an example of this is in a latter day song is "Too Tight". It sounds like Keith had the "Too Tight" hook and chorus, then Mick wrote the verses. The listener might think it's a Mick song since he is singing it but the groove and feel of the song has Keith's signature all through it, including backing vocals.
Actually he didn't. Google Bruce Johnston.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-26 06:02 by jazzbass.
A good, but not necessarily foolproof, indication of whether Mick wrote the chords/riff of a song is when he plays guitar on it. He said in an interview for Wandering Spirit that he'll sometimes show a riff to Keith and say "That's how it goes; but you can play it better," and Keith will generously reply, "That sounds perfectly ok to me."
I know, hence the irony.
It's a marvelous piece. Thank you. My favourite quote:
Every song we've got have pieces of each other in it.
- Keith Richards, 1971
(appreciate 1971 is early in the game but would be nice to think it is often true)
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Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
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Date: March 25, 2014 16:52
A few days ago on another thread, there was a brief exchange about Keith having written the lyrics to Ruby Tuesday. I hadn't known that, and I don't know a lot about how a lot of the songs came to be. Much is credited to Jagger Richards, although after their earliest days, clearly the creative process was often not together.
What other lyrics were written solo? (OK - I know Keith wrote Gimme Shelter...)
What other lyrics were written solo? (OK - I know Keith wrote Gimme Shelter...)
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Mel Belli
()
Date: March 25, 2014 17:33
When Keith became a serious junkie, songs written completely by Mick became a lot more prevalent. If you go album by album from about 1973 on, there are far, far more totally-Mick songs than totally-Keith.
Mick started to come into his own as rhythm guitar player by the BB/LIB sessions. On Sticky Fingers, he wrote Brown Sugar, Sway, Got the Blues, Dead Flowers, Moonlight Mile, Sister Morphine. A high water mark for Mick's writing.
Exile was pretty Keith-y, under the circumstances, but even there: Mick did Torn & Frayed and Shine A Light.
On Goats Head Soup: 100 Years, Hide Your Love, Winter, Star Star.
IORR: title track co-written (sorta) with Ronnie. Mostly Mick. Till the Next Goodbye. Really Want to be My Friend. Fingerprint File. Probably Short and Curlies, too. Not sure.
Black and Blue: Memory Motel, Melody (Mick w/ Billy Preston), Fool to Cry, and Crazy Mama.
Some Girls: *Very* Mick-dominant. Keith contributed only to the last three (and, to be sure, they were good ones).
ER: Title track. Summer Romance. Indian Girl. Could be others. Not sure.
Tattoo You: Neighbors. Worried About You. Heaven. Waiting on a Friend seems like a Mick tune, but not 100% sure.
I could go on ...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-25 17:33 by Mel Belli.
Mick started to come into his own as rhythm guitar player by the BB/LIB sessions. On Sticky Fingers, he wrote Brown Sugar, Sway, Got the Blues, Dead Flowers, Moonlight Mile, Sister Morphine. A high water mark for Mick's writing.
Exile was pretty Keith-y, under the circumstances, but even there: Mick did Torn & Frayed and Shine A Light.
On Goats Head Soup: 100 Years, Hide Your Love, Winter, Star Star.
IORR: title track co-written (sorta) with Ronnie. Mostly Mick. Till the Next Goodbye. Really Want to be My Friend. Fingerprint File. Probably Short and Curlies, too. Not sure.
Black and Blue: Memory Motel, Melody (Mick w/ Billy Preston), Fool to Cry, and Crazy Mama.
Some Girls: *Very* Mick-dominant. Keith contributed only to the last three (and, to be sure, they were good ones).
ER: Title track. Summer Romance. Indian Girl. Could be others. Not sure.
Tattoo You: Neighbors. Worried About You. Heaven. Waiting on a Friend seems like a Mick tune, but not 100% sure.
I could go on ...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-25 17:33 by Mel Belli.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: March 25, 2014 17:45
Hm well that's Mel Belli's view!
STG, when timeisonourside.com is back on line, check out their pages about the songwriting -
it's the best piece I know of about this intriguing subject and the way the Glimmers have kept us guessing over the decades.
STG, when timeisonourside.com is back on line, check out their pages about the songwriting -
it's the best piece I know of about this intriguing subject and the way the Glimmers have kept us guessing over the decades.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: March 25, 2014 18:04
Interesting - thanks to you both!
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
DaveG
()
Date: March 25, 2014 18:52
71Tele, you beat me to it!! That's the first thing I thought of upon reading the thread title.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: March 26, 2014 01:27
Quote
DaveG
71Tele, you beat me to it!! That's the first thing I thought of upon reading the thread title.
DaveG, you have to get up pretty early to beat me.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
SomeTorontoGirl
()
Date: March 26, 2014 01:52
Don't you guys go all Manilow on me here!
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
kleermaker
()
Date: March 26, 2014 01:54
Quote
Mel Belli
When Keith became a serious junkie, songs written completely by Mick became a lot more prevalent. If you go album by album from about 1973 on, there are far, far more totally-Mick songs than totally-Keith.
Mick started to come into his own as rhythm guitar player by the BB/LIB sessions. On Sticky Fingers, he wrote Brown Sugar, Sway, Got the Blues, Dead Flowers, Moonlight Mile, Sister Morphine. A high water mark for Mick's writing.
Exile was pretty Keith-y, under the circumstances, but even there: Mick did Torn & Frayed and Shine A Light.
On Goats Head Soup: 100 Years, Hide Your Love, Winter, Star Star.
IORR: title track co-written (sorta) with Ronnie. Mostly Mick. Till the Next Goodbye. Really Want to be My Friend. Fingerprint File. Probably Short and Curlies, too. Not sure.
Black and Blue: Memory Motel, Melody (Mick w/ Billy Preston), Fool to Cry, and Crazy Mama.
Some Girls: *Very* Mick-dominant. Keith contributed only to the last three (and, to be sure, they were good ones).
ER: Title track. Summer Romance. Indian Girl. Could be others. Not sure.
Tattoo You: Neighbors. Worried About You. Heaven. Waiting on a Friend seems like a Mick tune, but not 100% sure.
I could go on ...
But he did much in cooperation with a certain other band member.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: March 26, 2014 01:55
Quote
DaveG
71Tele, you beat me to it!! That's the first thing I thought of upon reading the thread title.
You beat me to saying "You beat me to it!"!
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: March 26, 2014 01:56
Quote
SomeTorontoGirl
Don't you guys go all Manilow on me here!
Why not? "Mick" did, once....
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
TeddyB1018
()
Date: March 26, 2014 02:15
This is too simplified a discussion. However, to quibble with a few, Keith wrote Torn and Frayed, including most of the lyric. Ron Wood co-wrote Neighbors with Jagger. Keith wrote the music to Waiting On A Friend. Lots of the Some Girls more Jagger sounding songs came from band jams. And of course, there is the whole Moonlight Mile brouhaha. The song is apparently based on a KR riff called Japanese Thing, and the riff is definitely Asian oriented, but Mick Taylor says the build up in the end is his. Either way Jagger doesn't seem to have written it alone.
And Barry Manilow didn't with I Write the Songs. Bruce Johnston did.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-26 02:31 by TeddyB1018.
And Barry Manilow didn't with I Write the Songs. Bruce Johnston did.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-26 02:31 by TeddyB1018.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: March 26, 2014 02:23
<<And Barry Manilow didn't with I Write the Songs. Bruce Johnston did.>>
I'm totally shattered to be informed of this.
Next thing you're going to say is that Barry really can smile without you, that he hasn't made it through the rain, and that it looks like wemade didn't make it. No point in tryin' to get the feeling again, without the old songs--that he didn't even write.
I'm totally shattered to be informed of this.
Next thing you're going to say is that Barry really can smile without you, that he hasn't made it through the rain, and that it looks like we
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
DaveG
()
Date: March 26, 2014 03:41
Quote
stoneheartedQuote
DaveG
71Tele, you beat me to it!! That's the first thing I thought of upon reading the thread title.
You beat me to saying "You beat me to it!"!
stonehearted, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat me to saying that you beat me to it.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
stonehearted
()
Date: March 26, 2014 03:49
Quote
DaveGQuote
stoneheartedQuote
DaveG
71Tele, you beat me to it!! That's the first thing I thought of upon reading the thread title.
You beat me to saying "You beat me to it!"!
stonehearted, you have to get up pretty early in the morning to beat me to saying that you beat me to it.
That's what I get for being a night person.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: March 26, 2014 03:49
Quote
stonehearted
<<And Barry Manilow didn't with I Write the Songs. Bruce Johnston did.>>
I'm totally shattered to be informed of this.
Next thing you're going to say is that Barry really can smile without you, that he hasn't made it through the rain, and that it looks like wemadedidn't make it. No point in tryin' to get the feeling again, without the old songs--that he didn't even write.
LOL
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Mel Belli
()
Date: March 26, 2014 04:05
Since Steel Wheels was brought up:
Totally Mick: Sad Sad Sad. Terrifying. Hold On To Your Hat. Hearts For Sale. Blinded By Love. Rock and a Hard Place. Contintental Drift.
Totally Mick: Sad Sad Sad. Terrifying. Hold On To Your Hat. Hearts For Sale. Blinded By Love. Rock and a Hard Place. Contintental Drift.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
big4
()
Date: March 26, 2014 04:49
Quote
with sssoul
Hm well that's Mel Belli's view!
STG, when timeisonourside.com is back on line, check out their pages about the songwriting -
it's the best piece I know of about this intriguing subject and the way the Glimmers have kept us guessing over the decades.
I think an example of this is in a latter day song is "Too Tight". It sounds like Keith had the "Too Tight" hook and chorus, then Mick wrote the verses. The listener might think it's a Mick song since he is singing it but the groove and feel of the song has Keith's signature all through it, including backing vocals.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
ab
()
Date: March 26, 2014 05:30
Actually, Bruce Johnston wrote I Write the Songs as a tribute to Brian Wilson.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
jazzbass
()
Date: March 26, 2014 06:02
Quote
71Tele
He did:
Actually he didn't. Google Bruce Johnston.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-26 06:02 by jazzbass.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Mel Belli
()
Date: March 26, 2014 13:52
Quote
big4Quote
with sssoul
Hm well that's Mel Belli's view!
STG, when timeisonourside.com is back on line, check out their pages about the songwriting -
it's the best piece I know of about this intriguing subject and the way the Glimmers have kept us guessing over the decades.
I think an example of this is in a latter day song is "Too Tight". It sounds like Keith had the "Too Tight" hook and chorus, then Mick wrote the verses. The listener might think it's a Mick song since he is singing it but the groove and feel of the song has Keith's signature all through it, including backing vocals.
A good, but not necessarily foolproof, indication of whether Mick wrote the chords/riff of a song is when he plays guitar on it. He said in an interview for Wandering Spirit that he'll sometimes show a riff to Keith and say "That's how it goes; but you can play it better," and Keith will generously reply, "That sounds perfectly ok to me."
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Send It To me
()
Date: March 26, 2014 15:41
For sure Keith wrote Gimme Shelter, Angie, and the riffs to Satisfaction, Start Me Up, and You Got Me Rocking.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
71Tele
()
Date: March 26, 2014 18:03
Quote
jazzbassQuote
71Tele
He did:
Actually he didn't. Google Bruce Johnston.
I know, hence the irony.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
jazzbass
()
Date: March 27, 2014 03:11
Quote
71TeleQuote
jazzbassQuote
71Tele
He did:
Actually he didn't. Google Bruce Johnston.
I know, hence the irony.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Slimharpo
()
Date: March 27, 2014 04:26
I think Keith had a large role in writing "I Got The Blues" and "Worried About You." He also wrote some of "Memory Motel" and some of "Far Away Eyes" on Some Girls.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-27 04:28 by Slimharpo.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2014-03-27 04:28 by Slimharpo.
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: March 27, 2014 22:01
Ian McPherson's site is back up - I really really really recommend his piece on the Glimmer Twins' songwriting: [www.timeisonourside.com]
The short form is we don't know unless the Glimmers tell us, which they barely ever do.
One of my favourite questions is which songs (besides Party Doll) Mick wrote for Keith to sing.
Everyone knows Keith writes stuff for the Mick to sing, but what about the reverse?
(And yes, I'm serious about Party Doll!)
The short form is we don't know unless the Glimmers tell us, which they barely ever do.
One of my favourite questions is which songs (besides Party Doll) Mick wrote for Keith to sing.
Everyone knows Keith writes stuff for the Mick to sing, but what about the reverse?
(And yes, I'm serious about Party Doll!)
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Send It To me
()
Date: March 27, 2014 22:17
If you read Keith's biography, if I recall correctly, he says that he was indeed involved in writing the music for Moonlight Mile - often credited to Jagger and Taylor - in that he began working out the guitar part on a piece he originally called "Japanese Thing"
Re: Who Wrote the Songs?
Posted by:
Lady Jayne
()
Date: March 27, 2014 23:01
Quote
with sssoul
Ian McPherson's site is back up - I really really really recommend his piece on the Glimmer Twins' songwriting: [www.timeisonourside.com]
The short form is we don't know unless the Glimmers tell us, which they barely ever do.
One of my favourite questions is which songs (besides Party Doll) Mick wrote for Keith to sing.
Everyone knows Keith writes stuff for the Mick to sing, but what about the reverse?
(And yes, I'm serious about Party Doll!)
It's a marvelous piece. Thank you. My favourite quote:
Every song we've got have pieces of each other in it.
- Keith Richards, 1971
(appreciate 1971 is early in the game but would be nice to think it is often true)
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