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Keylock was at the apartment with Janet when the fatal incident happened. He was not in the pool, Cutler had it wrong. He was right about Klein starting an investigation, but his story about the outcome was flawded.

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Keylock was at the apartment with Janet when the fatal incident happened. He was not in the pool, Cutler had it wrong. He was right about Klein starting an investigation, but his story about the outcome was flawded.

Paul

Yes, Paul, you're quite likely right. Myself, I couldn't picture Keylock in any pool, let alone Brian's, just flopping about with his glasses and tie. I'll bet he'd even take a dip in the pool with his suit jacket on.

Well anyway, not everyone does kindle, so best of luck in getting a print version of the book on the market soon.

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Keylock was at the apartment with Janet when the fatal incident happened. He was not in the pool, Cutler had it wrong. He was right about Klein starting an investigation, but his story about the outcome was flawded.

Paul

Yes, Paul, you're quite likely right. Myself, I couldn't picture Keylock in any pool, let alone Brian's, just flopping about with his glasses and tie. I'll bet he'd even take a dip in the pool with his suit jacket on.

Well anyway, not everyone does kindle, so best of luck in getting a print version of the book on the market soon.

I'm with you stonehearted waiting for the print version - wonder if it's still October?

Have you ever seen a picture of this apartment on the property? Wonder where it is?

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Getting a print deal is harder and harder. Here in the states the last book store chain, Barnes & Noble, is on the verge of collapse. Books are quickly becoming like CDs and DVDs, nowhere to go to physically check out products. I don't like it one bit. I have two novels on Kindle. Now I have to do the hardest part, try and figure out how to promote them.

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The actual alledged murder relies on dubious witnesses in bushes and he said she said stuff.

That's another thing that the Sam Cutler version mentions also--the two "witnesses" who show up while events are in progress but are then warned off, or they would have been next.

That reminded me of the mythical "Nicholas Fitzgerald" account who was supposed to have authored a book that seems to be long out of print and who was also someone that no one can seem to verify the existence of.

Could this Nicholas Fitzgerald then be a pseudonym for someone who actually stumbled onto the scene that night, one of the "dubious witnesses in bushes?"

The Cutler version mentions that these two "witnesses" were coming from a party--in line with the NF account--and arrived at Cotchford Farm late and wound up watching the drowning from bushes on the estate when someone (Keylock in "Fitzgerald's" account, not Keylock in Cutler's account) discovered them there and warned them off.

I wish I could see the alleged "Klein report", if that too actually exists.

Sad to say, it seems we're no closer to "the final truth" than when the book's first edition was published.

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Keylock was at the apartment with Janet when the fatal incident happened. He was not in the pool, Cutler had it wrong. He was right about Klein starting an investigation, but his story about the outcome was flawded.

Paul

Yes, Paul, you're quite likely right. Myself, I couldn't picture Keylock in any pool, let alone Brian's, just flopping about with his glasses and tie. I'll bet he'd even take a dip in the pool with his suit jacket on.

Well anyway, not everyone does kindle, so best of luck in getting a print version of the book on the market soon.

I'm with you stonehearted waiting for the print version - wonder if it's still October?

Have you ever seen a picture of this apartment on the property? Wonder where it is?

Wasn't it over the garage? I believe it was actually Frank Thorogood's apartment, and Keylock merely used it as well. Wouldn't be the extension on the left in the photo below?



On the print version, the authors did say that they were looking for a print deal and that "maybe October" there would be a hard copy version, but now they seem to have removed this message from their Facebook page.

What is the sense of taking years to research a one-chapter update that will only be sold online, thereby limiting sales? What's the problem with getting a print deal? Is it too controversial? Why only a half-market publication?

The author Paul Spendel seems done with IORR, so these questions may never be answered, and "The Final Truth" never read by the majority of potential readers.

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His Majesty, I'm with you. I found myself full of tequila and god knows what else at dawn in a warm Jacuzzi some years back. It was scary as I began to feel I wasn't going to be able to get out of the damn thing. Brian was not known as a careful drug taker, or drinker. I can see him being left alone, croaking in the pool, and then he was found. Or, another scenario, he was really weakened by the warm water/drugs/booze trio, and he succumbed to alleged horseplay rather easily.

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His Majesty, I'm with you. I found myself full of tequila and god knows what else at dawn in a warm Jacuzzi some years back. It was scary as I began to feel I wasn't going to be able to get out of the damn thing. Brian was not known as a careful drug taker, or drinker. I can see him being left alone, croaking in the pool, and then he was found. Or, another scenario, he was really weakened by the warm water/drugs/booze trio, and he succumbed to alleged horseplay rather easily.

Didn't toxicology show he only had a pint or so of beer in his system, no illegal drugs & not much prescription drugs in his system that nite?

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His Majesty, I'm with you. I found myself full of tequila and god knows what else at dawn in a warm Jacuzzi some years back. It was scary as I began to feel I wasn't going to be able to get out of the damn thing. Brian was not known as a careful drug taker, or drinker. I can see him being left alone, croaking in the pool, and then he was found. Or, another scenario, he was really weakened by the warm water/drugs/booze trio, and he succumbed to alleged horseplay rather easily.

Didn't toxicology show he only had a pint or so of beer in his system, no illegal drugs & not much prescription drugs in his system that nite?

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We all have special powers of observation and intuition after living so many years in this world. One of those is the ability to look at someone and QUICKLY judge who they are and what kind of person they are and if especially they are a threat.

After looking directly at Keylock for a couple minutes one day and a YouTube video of Frank it is clear to me that these people are sleazy as it gets and quite capable of murder. That's all the proof I need.

I'd rather talk about Brian's amazing Marimba on Under My Thumb. peace

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We used to get hammered at work at open-bar nite holiday weekend parties and I swore by jumping into the hotel pool at nite afterwards to swim laps to straighten up for work the next day. I was totally unfamiliar with these pools, which were dark & deep, unlike Brian, who knew his own pool. I also wasn't the diver & skilled swimmer he was. I can attest there's nothing like laps to clear the head & I never went to work hung over.

Were these pools whammed up to 90 degrees? Were your liver and heart @#$%& up? Were you on a load of prescription drugs?

Anyway, some people die falling asleep in the bath.

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Stop making the pool the center of attention. Think of it as the final placement. The "attack" points are abundant, in and out with the breeze and the trees. That's why it went off successfully and at this point will never bear a suspect. There was one person that had they been "roughed up" a bit while being questioned would had put the authorities "at least" in the right direction to investigate properly.

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Stop making the pool the center of attention. Think of it as the final placement. The "attack" points are abundant, in and out with the breeze and the trees. That's why it went off successfully and at this point will never bear a suspect. There was one person that had they been "roughed up" a bit while being questioned would had put the authorities "at least" in the right direction to investigate properly.

Nick, something tells me you were there that night! Who Are You!...

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I'm only one of a handleful of people that post with their own name. My email is in my profile (that can reveal my identity with a simple WHOIS search) so I don't think I would post here if I had something to do with it...
The property is porous. Yes it looks thick with trees and bushes but not enough to keep someone from entering and exiting through there. The pool is merely a "staging area".
Like I said if the right form of interrogation was administered, they would have had something. Sorry to creep anyone out.

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You make the murder sound premeditated, and also as if you are certain of the "facts" you present. So naturally, some of us here are liable to wonder if perhaps you might be one of Frank's workmen.

So anyway, I just recently visited the "delicious treat" site. Is that yours? I'm particularly interested in the laser disc of 25X5--is this the longer Canadian/UK version, or the shorter U.S. version? Thanks!

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Officially it's an accident. With Stones fans it's a conspiracy.