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superrevvy
This is the only bit of relevant information from either source (all
the rest is meaningless noise)

Teddy: "Who knows what he'll end up doing?"

Who knows? Ask Rocky Dijon. The Shadow knows!

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I don't want to contemplate Superheavy. I thought that was all done anyway.

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angee
Doxa, could you say more on this?: "but in the long run the cost of that instant success was an image lost to the band, and especially to himself."
How did Keith's book affect the band's image, especially, and his own?
I don't necessarily disagree, just want to know your thoughts in detail.

Since this doesn't directly to the topic of this thread, I reply to you in small size..

Well, what I have perceived or tried to 'sense the air', the negative effect can be seen in two contexts.

The first is the hardcore fanbase of the Stones - people like us here at IORR. It is amazing how much the attitude and atmosphere has changed here. Keith has always been almost beyond criticism. Even though people noticed his musical decline during the last decade or so, it was forgiven... "it is Keith, man...". Even Keith's harsh words against Jagger was usually "understood" and not taken too seriously.. "It is Keith, man..." It is actually quite hard to find any "Keith bashing" here at tall; it was beyond reasonable discourse.

But the book changed it quite drastically. What was once funny, turned out to be ugly. The systemic form of non-fact based story-telling, the repeated, childish blade-talk, belittlening the other band members, and especially Jagger('s) so harshly, changed the whole idea of the man, and his role in the whole picture. He crossed some line, and people too their adoring glasses off. Suddenly he was the target of the most criticism. I think the the existence of "Keith apologists" verifies the fact very clearly. Before LIFE there was no any reason such apologists to exist at all.

The second is the public opinion. Keith's book got a lot of publicity, because he talked things people hungry for a scandal want to hear: drugs, drugs, drugs, bashing Jagger, bashing Jagger, bashing Jagger.... as a result of that stupid tiny todger remark he made him and the Stones ridiculous (which of course, is the tip of the ice berg). But the childish remark gave people a right to induce that "yeah, that's how stupid they really are". Sixtysomethings speaking of each other's dicks in public. Keith put himself there next to Ozzy Osbourne as a laughing stock. The Stones, yeah, surely are 'bad boys' but they always had in their 'bad reputation' a bit of dignity. Okay, Keith has his history of stupid remarks, but now instead of occasional drunken interview, there were no excuses, since it was based supposedly on a "serious" reflection (namely that what writing books is all about). With the book he really hurt the band. He sold the band to quick personal profits. I include all those prizes he got from the book also to the latter.

I am also awere that for some folks the book was a positive surprise of how intelligent, smart, insightful and articulate Keith Richards is. But that surprise is based on people thinking that he actually is such a brainless junkie his public image represents him to be (plus all those idiot 'snorting dad's ashes', comments). Keith seemingly sees this a sort of achievement. But he could have had charm those people of his wit without the nasty tabloid stuff as well. Pyrrhos's win, in any case.

- Doxa

During the last decade, seemingly, lots of the fans grew up to be mature, up-tight, snobs that all of a sudden didn´t understand Keith´s jargon, his guitar playing or behaviour.

Drugs, rock´n´roll and "blade-talk" got out of fashion, and only the kind-hearted and prude gentelmen who behaved so nicely back in the period 1968-1974 were appreciated.

In ten years time, we will long for the bad boy again

I long for the bad boy now...what we have now is the buffoon...and that is where I'm having the problem. He's made the legacy a joke.

My guess is that he'll (to quote Arnold) be back...

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The Rolling Stones 50th anniversary tour
"sober, for the first time in 50 years"

Huge mistake if they do Miss You and JJF on SNL, IMO.

JJF is more tolerable as a closing song, and Keith can jam on that in hus sleep, but playing something new is such a better idea for song 2, or one of the extra songs from Exile or SG, but not a greatest hits medley please.

Are we really going to have Don Was on Bass, ....really? Nice guy, but he's the producer and not a Stone.

Love the idea of bringing back the boogie woogie style on keys, but not loving Fool to Cry here. In a 25 song set list, maybe, but not here.

Creatively tying music to a skit is interesting.

They need to think outside the box, they're pros at that, and no one is more on his game than Mick- this isn't the time to be conservative! People love the Stines for the imperfections, if any song is rehearsed enough, they'll kill it, unless the song is boring and old like Miss You.

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Fool To Cry sucks. Is it ok for us to start b1tching about the setlist? Yes....? No....? I'll put in my two cents anyways...

- Little Queenie
- The Last Time
- We Love You

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Green Lady

These two sources are not mutually exclusive. IF these studio sessions are
SNL-related (and we have no evidence that they are) then why is it so improbable
that Mick might be negotiating with other musicians in case the "first team"
doesn't work out? And if there was never any intention for the rest of the band
to do SNL, they might still be working on something else, and Mick will still need
a backup band.

Yes, that was sort of my point, so sorry if I didn't make that clear.

Its a long time point I've been making here on IORR, that always with Stones leaks you
need to read between the lines. Because even when its not misinfo or disinfo, as either of
these leaks could easily (unintentionally) be, it still may be very misleading info.

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Why use Was instead of Jones??

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Who's Driving Your Plane?
Jiving Sister Fanny anyone...

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my guess is..jagger will put on his peter pan act again, and it will be boring.
oh my god,now i will have some ugly posts to my post
jeroen

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corriecas
my guess is..jagger will put on his peter pan act again, and it will be boring.
oh my god,now i will have some ugly posts to my post
jeroen

As opposed to the pretty posts you post?

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my guess is..jagger will put on his peter pan act again, and it will be boring.
oh my god,now i will have some ugly posts to my post
jeroen

As opposed to the pretty posts you post?

jeroen's posts aren't ugly...they are mind-numbing.

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Jagger has been trying to put together musicians to back him on SNL that would
suggest performing hard rock songs. He's reached out to one US band in specific
that I will not name and would not personally consider appropriate. It would
suggest he plans to play Stones songs and not covers. It will also probably not
work out schedule wise. It's nothing like Jeff Beck or Mick Taylor or anything
bluesy for those fantasizing that. Who knows what he'll end up doing when the time
comes but for all you Keith detractors, it certainly does not seem that he is loath
to offend him with it. It's a bit like something the R&R Hall of Fame might out
together is the Stones chose not to show up and they wanted to put something
commercial together in terms of a band teaming with Mick.

For what its worth, and with no disrespect to Teddy, another long-time reliable
source, on the Undercover mailing list, reports the following:

Someone sent me this yesterday....top secret....
Rehearsed in a NY studio.....Mick, Charlie, Keith, Ronnie, Chuck and Don Was
filling in on Bass for 4 songs. Miss You, Fool to Cry, Jumping Jack Flash (all
done twice) and one other one...... Oh, he said they sounded amazing.

(So I'm still listening to the voices in my head, which I already told you about)

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Fool To Cry sucks. Is it ok for us to start b1tching about the setlist? Yes....? No....? I'll put in my two cents anyways...

- Little Queenie
- The Last Time
- We Love You

I hope not. The last Time Sucks live. Little Queenie isn't theirs and the heck would you want to hear We Love You.

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I will bet any amount that there is no freekin way Fool To Cry is being played. NO ONE knows that song (Stones freaks like us aside) and it sleepy and boring live. Plus it's like what 5 in half, 6 min long? That will not work on TV.

When you have two songs to play, you don't pick a long slow one deep album cut like that. It's almost as silly as thinking they will play We Love You. Don't get me started on how stupid that suggestion is.

IF they Stones play, i predict one well known song and perhaps one of the new outtakes from Exile (Plundered with MT is my dream) or Some Girls.

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And the Shadow says: The rehearsals were for the Stones July 12 gig.
And it is a VERY good sign that they are practicing Stones songs, and not
just blues. If it was just blues, the July 12 gig was gonna be their last.
This means the 2013 gigs are (tentatively) back on track. But Mick won't finalize
anything until late this year/early next. Until then, he's got Keith by the balls.
And Keith and y'all are just gonna have to at least tolerate Mick's pick-up
band on May 19. So for the same reason, it is now way more likely that Mick will
rock on SNL and not do blues, and use less famous less awesome musicians.
Mick will be fine but his rock band will be no match for the Stones, whereas
his blues band would have slayed the Stones. You won't get the Stones
on SNL but you won't get anything that damages them either. Unless Keith
majorly fcuks up over the next week or so, which I now think is very unlikely.

Is this my most blue-sky forecast ever?

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I will bet any amount that there is no freekin way Fool To Cry is being played. NO ONE knows that song (Stones freaks like us aside) and it sleepy and boring live. Plus it's like what 5 in half, 6 min long? That will not work on TV.

When you have two songs to play, you don't pick a long slow one deep album cut like that. It's almost as silly as thinking they will play We Love You. Don't get me started on how stupid that suggestion is.

IF they Stones play, i predict one well known song and perhaps one of the new outtakes from Exile (Plundered with MT is my dream) or Some Girls.

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Dana Carvey - drums
Adam Sandler - guitar
G.E. Smith - guitar
Chevy Chase - tambourine
Don Was - bass
Mick Jagger - vocals

There's your band.