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- The Last Time was simply a re-working of The Staples Singers' This May Be The Last Time
- Bill Wyman wrote the riff to Jumping Jack Flash
- Ry Cooder wrote the intro/riff to Honky Tonk Women
- Midnight Ramber was largely nicked from an old bluesman (I forget who, but I remember reading about the allegation)
- She's So Cold was ripped off of a Willie Nile track
- It's Only Rock N' Roll was mainly written by Ron Wood
- "Classic Keith riff" Brown Sugar was all written by Mick - Keith had nothing to do with that song
- Brian Jones created the melody to Ruby Tuesday (otherwise credited as a Keith song) (Keith undispudedly wrote the lyrics, which are really very articulate and poetic I must say)
How do you feel about all this stuff? How much does it even matter?
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- The Last Time was simply a re-working of The Staples Singers' This May Be The Last Time
- Bill Wyman wrote the riff to Jumping Jack Flash
- Ry Cooder wrote the intro/riff to Honky Tonk Women
- Midnight Ramber was largely nicked from an old bluesman (I forget who, but I remember reading about the allegation)
- She's So Cold was ripped off of a Willie Nile track
- It's Only Rock N' Roll was mainly written by Ron Wood
- "Classic Keith riff" Brown Sugar was all written by Mick - Keith had nothing to do with that song
- Brian Jones created the melody to Ruby Tuesday (otherwise credited as a Keith song) (Keith undispudedly wrote the lyrics, which are really very articulate and poetic I must say)
How do you feel about all this stuff? How much does it even matter?
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- The Last Time was simply a re-working of The Staples Singers' This May Be The Last Time
- Bill Wyman wrote the riff to Jumping Jack Flash
- Ry Cooder wrote the intro/riff to Honky Tonk Women
- Midnight Ramber was largely nicked from an old bluesman (I forget who, but I remember reading about the allegation)
- She's So Cold was ripped off of a Willie Nile track
- It's Only Rock N' Roll was mainly written by Ron Wood
- "Classic Keith riff" Brown Sugar was all written by Mick - Keith had nothing to do with that song
- Brian Jones created the melody to Ruby Tuesday (otherwise credited as a Keith song) (Keith undispudedly wrote the lyrics, which are really very articulate and poetic I must say)
How do you feel about all this stuff? How much does it even matter?
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Bobby Keys in his recent book said he was so much a part of the birth of HAPPY that's he's arguably a co-composer. And he even jokes with Keith about it. And Keith just jokes back. If true, the rich got richer and the guy who could have used that royalty didn't get it (Bobby Keys in the book had to return to living with is mother at one point he was so broke).
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Regarding the questions relating to other artisits work. Go to an Arlo Guthrie concert. He will explain the art of taking others songs and reworking them to your style. If there is anything to your questions the point can not be that songs are original from begining to end. As Arlo says writing songs is like fishing, just don't fish down stream of Dylan, he is the poster boy for this.
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- The Last Time was simply a re-working of The Staples Singers' This May Be The Last Time
No. They did take the chorus, but build a new song around it based on Brian's riff.
- Bill Wyman wrote the riff to Jumping Jack Flash
The only testimony there is is from Bill. All other statements point towards Keith. Most importantly, the very first take we have of JJF is Keith bashing out a riff with only slight resemblemce to the final riff: so either Richards wrote it, or Bill wrote a very early embyonic version and Keith developed it further.
- Ry Cooder wrote the intro/riff to Honky Tonk Women
No. But Memo From Turner, SM and Downtown Suzie feature each and every lick Keith does on HTW.
- Midnight Ramber was largely nicked from an old bluesman (I forget who, but I remember reading about the allegation)
The 'don't do that' bit has a swing pattern not uncommon with 30's blues music, like Hot Tamala's. That's as far as I can tell. New to me.
- She's So Cold was ripped off of a Willie Nile track
No.
- It's Only Rock N' Roll was mainly written by Ron Wood
Musically yes, the 'I know, it's only RaR' line yes, all the rest is Jagger.
- "Classic Keith riff" Brown Sugar was all written by Mick - Keith had nothing to do with that song
Correct. The entire chord sequence was written by Jagger. Richards did ad his sense of rhythm though.
- Brian Jones created the melody to Ruby Tuesday (otherwise credited as a Keith song) (Keith undispudedly wrote the lyrics, which are really very articulate and poetic I must say)
No, I really don't believe that at all. For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life to suddenly come up with RT is just too far fetched for me. And Keith has stated he wrote it.
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Ry Cooder wrote the intro/riff to Honky Tonk Women
Hmm, I'm not sure has Cooder actually claimed that to be the case. Ry obviously "inspired" Keith, or the latter borrowed ideas from he former quite harshly... Ry's ideas found an ideal templete in that song, and that was an act of genious...
Midnight Ramber was largely nicked from an old bluesman (I forget who, but I remember reading about the allegation)
This is news to me. Never heard about that.
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The HTW main intro riff, the simplistic repeated two note riff is Taylors ticket to the Stones.
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I dont think Bill would make up a story about JJF. He says he, Brian and Charlie jammed, he started playing the riff, Keith and Mick came in and went nuts about it and they wrote a song around that riff.
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No, I really don't believe that at all. For somebody who basically hasn't written anything in his life
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The HTW main intro riff, the simplistic repeated two note riff is Taylors ticket to the Stones.
Er, no, that's Keith. The track was already recorded completely when Taylor did his overdub, which is the pentatonic country bends in the verses.
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I dont think Bill would make up a story about JJF. He says he, Brian and Charlie jammed, he started playing the riff, Keith and Mick came in and went nuts about it and they wrote a song around that riff.
But the version of JJF from the rehearsals on February 21, 1968 has the riff in a very, very early stage, almost not recognizable. So either Wyman wrote something that was completely reworked by Keith, to such extent that it can hardly be credited to Wyman, or Keith wrote the riff.
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I dont think Bill would make up a story about JJF. He says he, Brian and Charlie jammed, he started playing the riff, Keith and Mick came in and went nuts about it and they wrote a song around that riff.
But the version of JJF from the rehearsals on February 21, 1968 has the riff in a very, very early stage, almost not recognizable. So either Wyman wrote something that was completely reworked by Keith, to such extent that it can hardly be credited to Wyman, or Keith wrote the riff.
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I dont think Bill would make up a story about JJF. He says he, Brian and Charlie jammed, he started playing the riff, Keith and Mick came in and went nuts about it and they wrote a song around that riff.
But the version of JJF from the rehearsals on February 21, 1968 has the riff in a very, very early stage, almost not recognizable. So either Wyman wrote something that was completely reworked by Keith, to such extent that it can hardly be credited to Wyman, or Keith wrote the riff.
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that's a legitimate interpretation of his claims, as I remember them
I always interpreted Bill's claim to be the intro that is on the studio version, not the intro that is played live.
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The HTW main intro riff, the simplistic repeated two note riff is Taylors ticket to the Stones.
Er, no, that's Keith. The track was already recorded completely when Taylor did his overdub, which is the pentatonic country bends in the verses.
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Not according to Keith who says Taylor.
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I dont think Bill would make up a story about JJF. He says he, Brian and Charlie jammed, he started playing the riff, Keith and Mick came in and went nuts about it and they wrote a song around that riff.
But the version of JJF from the rehearsals on February 21, 1968 has the riff in a very, very early stage, almost not recognizable. So either Wyman wrote something that was completely reworked by Keith, to such extent that it can hardly be credited to Wyman, or Keith wrote the riff.
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I always interpreted Bill's claim to be the intro that is on the studio version, not the intro that is played live.