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71Tele
Words is words. You can pile on a heap of 'em, but they won't make ABB a great album. The Stones have not made a decent album since Bill left, and even the couple before that were pretty spotty.
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stonesdan60
I've come to accept the fact that there are many who think the Stones haven't made a great album since Exile On Main Street, or Some Girls, etc.
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superrevvy
unreadable the way you formatted it.
here's the best defense of post-golden-age stones.
i've made this challenge before and had zero takers.
take any stones album from goat's head to bang and compare it to any other
commercially successful album from the same year
i did it. i went to billboard's site and compared the top 100 albums of
any of those years against the stones album from the same year and i came
up with zero albums that at this time i rate higher or listen to
more.
while i'm sure there will be peeps on this board that have a few albums here
and there that they still rate higher than the stones release from the same year,
i doubt seriously that there's very many or very much consensus on what those
superior records might be.
the stones rule! right up to 2006.
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IrelandCalling4
I have to agree, I've always felt ABB was a damn fine piece of work,
For a band at the time 42 years into a recording career to still be able to make an album that, if not scaling the heights of their true materpieces, at least is very good in places, inspired in others, and yes, succumbing to some filler also.
Any album containing gems like 'Laugh I Nearly Died', Keef's sublime 'This Place Is Empty', the uber-cool 'Rain Fall down', the sizzling fretboard runs and pace of 'Look What the Cat Dragged In' & 'Let Me Down Slow' is something special indeed.
Love the bare bones production, the raw guitar sounds; except for a few duffers (Neo Con, Streets of Love, Infamy), the album cooks!
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Rolling Hansie
You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like. Never ever allow anybody to spoil your fun.
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stonesdan60
I've come to accept the fact that there are many who think the Stones haven't made a great album since Exile On Main Street, or Some Girls, etc.
Thanks very much for your positive input stonesdan. I really appreciate posts like this. But I've come to accept the fact that there are many who think the Stones haven't made a great album since Exile On Main Street, or Some Girls, etc. and I've come to accept the fact that I absolutely don't give a flying fock about what they think
And believe me ... it works. Enjoy the Stones the way you want to. You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like. Never ever allow anybody to spoil your fun.
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I've come to accept the fact that there are many who think the Stones haven't made a great album since Exile On Main Street, or Some Girls, etc.
Thanks very much for your positive input stonesdan. I really appreciate posts like this. But I've come to accept the fact that there are many who think the Stones haven't made a great album since Exile On Main Street, or Some Girls, etc. and I've come to accept the fact that I absolutely don't give a flying fock about what they think
And believe me ... it works. Enjoy the Stones the way you want to. You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like. Never ever allow anybody to spoil your fun.
Oh believe me, I really don't give a hoot what the "Stones died after Exile" crowd thinks. I respectfully disagree with them and I unabashedly enjoy what I enjoy. I just like to defend my favorite band now and then. I'm not really looking to argue with anyone. It's only rock and roll...
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IrelandCalling4
I have to agree, I've always felt ABB was a damn fine piece of work,
For a band at the time 42 years into a recording career to still be able to make an album that, if not scaling the heights of their true materpieces, at least is very good in places, inspired in others, and yes, succumbing to some filler also.
Any album containing gems like 'Laugh I Nearly Died', Keef's sublime 'This Place Is Empty', the uber-cool 'Rain Fall down', the sizzling fretboard runs and pace of 'Look What the Cat Dragged In' & 'Let Me Down Slow' is something special indeed.
Love the bare bones production, the raw guitar sounds; except for a few duffers (Neo Con, Streets of Love, Infamy), the album cooks!
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71Tele
Sorry, but that seems like an intellectual excercise designed to rationalize comparatively weak work...My test is simple: Does it move me like the best music I've heard moves me (Stones or otherwise)? Exile, Some Girls, Sticky, LIB, Aftermath, etc: Yes! ABB, BtoB, Voodoo et al: No. These records are contrived, formulaic, and even gimmicky at times.
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Rolling Hansie
You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like. Never ever allow anybody to spoil your fun.
if someone's opinion that differs from your own spoils your fun, then you really didn't have much conviction in the first place and deserve to have your fun spoiled.
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superrevvy
sadly there are many many people who can only get off on the music of their
youth. mick calls it "ossification". he's right.
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StonesTod
my hunch is that many fans, because they are big fans, want to like the latter-era albums and find themselves telling themselves they like them. i stopped doing that years ago and it's liberating...abb stinks...and it's ok to say that and still love the band. life's too short and there's too much music worth my attention to waste trying to like something that stinks.
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Rolling Hansie
You don't need other people's opinions to like what you like. Never ever allow anybody to spoil your fun.
if someone's opinion that differs from your own spoils your fun, then you really didn't have much conviction in the first place and deserve to have your fun spoiled.
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Erik_Snow
Just look at for instance the recent Hampton 1981 threads - with all these posts going something like "you're spoiling the fun - quit whining! - Rolling Stones own you nothing!"
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71Tele
There was a time when I had to believe every new Stones release was brilliant - because for many years they all were. At a certain point I let it go and moved on to more compelling music
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71Tele
Sorry, but that seems like an intellectual excercise designed to rationalize comparatively weak work...My test is simple: Does it move me like the best music I've heard moves me (Stones or otherwise)? Exile, Some Girls, Sticky, LIB, Aftermath, etc: Yes! ABB, BtoB, Voodoo et al: No. These records are contrived, formulaic, and even gimmicky at times.
its not just an intellectual exercise, its the only legitimate way to
judge an artist, against their contemporaries.
this is not to say you shouldnt enjoy whatever it is you enjoy. charlie watts
for instance still most treasures classic jazz and swing, and doesnt think
anything else afterwards compares...
but if its one of the best things put out in a certain year, it is definitely
not "crap". if a bunch of people got off on it when it was issued, and still
get off on it, it is not "crap"
and personally i got WAY WAY off on every single one of those latter day
stones albums, except steel wheels, which i came to appreciate only later.
sadly there are many many people who can only get off on the music of their
youth. mick calls it "ossification". he's right.
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superrevvy
sadly there are many many people who can only get off on the music of their
youth. mick calls it "ossification". he's right.
what's sad about it? if they know what they like and don't like and stick with what they like, i think that's cool....
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Erik_Snow
Just look at for instance the recent Hampton 1981 threads - with all these posts going something like "you're spoiling the fun - quit whining! - Rolling Stones own you nothing!"
None of those posts were mine
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71Tele
There was a time when I had to believe every new Stones release was brilliant - because for many years they all were. At a certain point I let it go and moved on to more compelling music
So take up the challenge. Name something from the same year as a Stones album
you think is crap that you think is more "compelling". that was commercially
successful. just name it. i'm always looking for compelling music.
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StonesTod
my hunch is that many fans, because they are big fans, want to like the latter-era albums and find themselves telling themselves they like them. i stopped doing that years ago and it's liberating...abb stinks...and it's ok to say that and still love the band. life's too short and there's too much music worth my attention to waste trying to like something that stinks.
Exactly. There was a time when I had to believe every new Stones release was brilliant - because for many years they all were. At a certain point I let it go and moved on to more compelling music, while never losing my love for the Stones. We can all say what we want to about the latter day albums, but in the end the songwriting just stopped being compelling. At times it seemed albums were released because the band was contractually obligated, rather than because they had anything interesting to say. Bridges to Babylon in particular sounds like two solo albums forced onto the same CD. Hardly even a Stones album.
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sadly there are many many people who can only get off on the music of their
youth. mick calls it "ossification". he's right.
what's sad about it? if they know what they like and don't like and stick with what they like, i think that's cool....
i think its cool too. until they start calling other people's "crap".
then it is not cool at all.