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Alef
SADC is 100% marketing. With all of the Stones recordings, the source material and possibly a little mixing is the limiting factor. I've heard audiophile regular CD's - for example Bowers & Wilkins Audiophile recordings series - that sound insanely good. The only limitation being the loudspeakers and the room accoustics. It just shows how much can be poured out of a regular CD.
If you want to throw away your money, rebuy recordings as SACDs.
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GetYerAngie
Has anyone heard the Black and Blue sacd?
I'm especially interested in Melody, which I think was treated rather badly in the UM-remasters.
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donvis
How good a SACD player do you need? Are they all comparable?
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dubclub
My experiences with the latest (and wonderful) ABCKO Remasters (from 2002 i guess), which are available in different formats are:
the sacd-layer from bb and lib sounds better, just a little, than the cd-layer.
I can´t hear any difference on the older records.
Back in the days i´d a really good Swoboda (Sony based) SACD player.
About 95% of really good recordings are sounding much better on SACD than on CD.
So i´ve to disagree with your statement, that SACD is 100% marketing.
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GetYerAngie
Has anyone heard the Black and Blue sacd?
I'm especially interested in Melody, which I think was treated rather badly in the UM-remasters.
My general impression of Shm-SACDs & worth buying in order:
Black and Blue > Exile > Some Girls > SF > LIB > GHS > Dirty Work > IORR > Emotional Rescue > BB > Tatto You > Love You Live > Still Life > Undercover
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Phil Good
I couldn't care less. To me, they finished with Exile.
Just my 2 cts. But each his own. Peace.
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dubclub
My experiences with the latest (and wonderful) ABCKO Remasters (from 2002 i guess), which are available in different formats are:
the sacd-layer from bb and lib sounds better, just a little, than the cd-layer.
I can´t hear any difference on the older records.
Back in the days i´d a really good Swoboda (Sony based) SACD player.
About 95% of really good recordings are sounding much better on SACD than on CD.
So i´ve to disagree with your statement, that SACD is 100% marketing.
Unfortunately you are wrong:
[theaudiocritic.com]
I can imagine though that SACD might sound better in some cases, because more effort was put in the mixing and pollishing of the sound. But that has nothing to do with the SACD format.
It is just amazing to see people longing for SACDs of for example Exile on Main Street. I mean, that recording just doesn't sound very good, because the source material is not good enough. That's it. But who cares, the music is great. When you want just audiophile recordings, you should become a Diana Krall fan.
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tkl7
I'll trust my own ears, which have heard the SACD disks and find them to be the best digital versions of the respective albums, over "two music journalists who are not professional audio engineers" that wrote some article about their opinion in some magazine. Thanks.
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tkl7
I'll trust my own ears, which have heard the SACD disks and find them to be the best digital versions of the respective albums, over "two music journalists who are not professional audio engineers" that wrote some article about their opinion in some magazine. Thanks.
You didn't even read it I guess. They did not 'write some article', they did research. But you don't need research do you, you have your own opinions. And research would only get in the way of that.
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dubclub
Ok Alef - i´ll agree with you, that no stones recording will ever sound so perfect (soundwise), just like an really audiophile recording.
Even if the stones stuff is on cd, vinyl, sacd or hi-def download - and the good audiophile recording is only on cd.
My experiences with the latest (and wonderful) ABCKO Remasters (from 2002 i guess), which are available in different formats are:
the sacd-layer from bb and lib sounds better, just a little, than the cd-layer.
I can´t hear any difference on the older records.
Back in the days i´d a really good Swoboda (Sony based) SACD player.
About 95% of really good recordings are sounding much better on SACD than on CD.
So i´ve to disagree with your statement, that SACD is 100% marketing.
Today i´ve an Linn Digital Streamer (the Akurate DS). The DS displaced the SACD Player.
I´ll hope that the new japanes masters of all the 70s will be available as hidef download.
The available hidef download of sg deluxe doesn´t sound better than my ripped sg deluxe cd.
That´s depends on, in my opinion, the loveless remastered um-version.
For just a while the ABCKO remasters are available as hi def download (ok, that was just another thread).
I´ve the same experience - due to the limitation of the original recordings, i can´t hear no difference between my ripped ABCKO stuff (and i can only rip the cd-layer) and the hidef download (which are based on the same remaster).
Only the hidef versions of bb and lib are sounding a little better.
But all of them sounding better via the Akurate DS....
Phew ..... a lot of words...
My point is, if you have a really good hifi (i´ve really nice components, which go really well together, for about 25000 €) than it really makes sense to buy sacd or hidef downloads.
But if the original recording/master/remaster isn´t good - than you don´t need the sacd or hidef download version.
If your hifi is mediocre - it´s the same.
If your listening in your car, on your computer or iSomething....i hate to say that - mp3 might be good enough.
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tkl7
I'll trust my own ears, which have heard the SACD disks and find them to be the best digital versions of the respective albums, over "two music journalists who are not professional audio engineers" that wrote some article about their opinion in some magazine. Thanks.
You didn't even read it I guess. They did not 'write some article', they did research. But you don't need research do you, you have your own opinions. And research would only get in the way of that.
No, I did my own research. Which SHM-SACDs have you listened to, btw?
PS: That article is full of false information, I doubt the author even knows what he is talking about. He states that he noticed no difference when flipping his dual layer SACD Hybrid disk over from the SACD side to the redbook side, but I assure you that is false, since the dual layer hybrid disk plays both layers from the same side. Furthermore, most modern players do not just play SACD through analog jacks, but also through HDMI as DSD. Your "researchers" only used analog RCA jacks. Finally, he concedes that SACD also allows for multichannel, which also pretty much wipes out your statement that it is 100% marketing as apposed to CDs, since no CD that I am aware of, plays in multichannel.
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Toru A
>Furthermore, no Stones record has ever been been recorded in multi channel.
The only exception is here.[www.amazon.co.jp]
Let's indulge in the DSD sound of multi channel percussion!
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Toru A
>Furthermore, no Stones record has ever been been recorded in multi channel.
The only exception is here.[www.amazon.co.jp]
Let's indulge in the DSD sound of multi channel percussion!
I don't think it was recorder in multi channel. They must have done some post recording multi channel decoding.
Anyway, this CD alone is not a very solid business case for a multi channel setup ;-)
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kowalski
@Toru The Basement Tapes SACD looks really great. If I'm not mistaken it's the first time it will be available as such.
By the way can you confirm it'll be available as double layer SACD?
Anyway I found the answer : [www.elusivedisc.com]
Also mastered by MFSL and soon to be available on hybrid SACD :
Another Side Of Bob Dylan
Blonde On Blonde
Blood On The Tracks
Bringing It All Back Home
The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan
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Toru A
kowalski san,
Yes, it's hybrid edition.
I believe Sony Music made The Basement Tapes SACD some years ago.
If my memory is correct, Sony has also released Blu-spec CD.
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Toru A
kowalski san,
Yes, it's hybrid edition.
I believe Sony Music made The Basement Tapes SACD some years ago.
If my memory is correct, Sony has also released Blu-spec CD.
A remastered version of the Basement Tapes was released a couple of years ago but only on CD.