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Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonesdan60 ()
Date: March 9, 2012 16:52

Seems like one subject is getting beaten to death here: Can the Stones (especially Keith) still pull off a decent show or tour? Depends what fans are willing to accept as "decent." Let's face facts. The Stones are pushing 70. Mick can probably put on a decent show for his age. Charlie seems to be in good shape. Ron can probably do well if he stays sober. Keith remains a question mark. He's certainly not going to bring back the days of yore, but may be able to pull of a decent performance if he sticks to the simple, bluesy kind of playing witnessed in the Sumlin rehearsal clip. Maybe he can do even better with intense rehearsals of what he's used to playing, while delegating some of his classic riffs to Ronnie if his fingers truly are inhibited by arthritis or something. Will fans accept a show that requires additional musicians like Blondie to fill in the gaps in Keith's playing? Will fans accept a show that sounds very much like the Stones even if the actual Stones can't deliver as they did in younger days? If it means one last chance to see our favorite band in person, I would enjoy such a show while acknowledging that the Stones of past years are not going to really be seen ever again. If Keith sticks to his classic open G chords, which are fairly easy to play and can throw in simple fills (noodle lick notwithstanding, lol) that don't try to exceed his current abilities it could still sound pretty good. If Charlie can still kick that unique beat that drives the band and Mick can still sing with what he displayed at the White House, we may have something enjoyable. If Mick Taylor and Bill Wyman are back on board I think we'd have some really good shows. Nothing lasts forever. I'd be happy just to see the Stones one more time celebrating past glories even if they need some outside help to pull it off. I'd like to see them "give it a bash," as Keith says. They may just surprise us. But are they up for the rigors of touring at their present ages? I envision a different kind of tour, with more days off between gigs. Maybe just major cities with multiple shows at whatever stadium or arena they choose. More fans would have to be willing to travel farther to see them if they're willing to see living legends one more time. In a perfect world, I'd like to think that they - especially Keith - rally for the occasion and surprise us with something better than most of us expect. If not, well - they've blown minds enough times in the past that we can't really complain. Some people are thrilled just to see living legends in person. People still go see Chuck Berry at 85 and from various recent youtube clips I've seen, he can hardly play at all anymore. I'd hate to see it come down to such embarrassing performances for the Stones. If they can play without overextending the limitations of age, it could be pleasing to a lot of people. I don't think anyone is star-stuck enough to expect a recreation of '73, '78, or '81 anymore. It will be interesting to see what if anything they may do...

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: hot stuff ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:14

The good part is most of the Stones fans who can afford the tickets
are all pushing 50 or more...And our ears and eyes aren't as good either..
So they will sound just fine..

So we will all have a great time sitting, (too old to stand too long)..
As the Stones get older we do too...Lets just have a great party together!!!
But PLAY IT LOUD..haha

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Raluca ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:20

10 or 20 final-shows, all around the world and than it´s time to kiss them goodbye. I would like it.

Greetings Raluca

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:23

Quote
stonesdan60
Seems like one subject is getting beaten to death here: Can the Stones (especially Keith) still pull off a decent show or tour? Depends what fans are willing to accept as "decent." Let's face facts. The Stones are pushing 70. Mick can probably put on a decent show for his age. Charlie seems to be in good shape. Ron can probably do well if he stays sober. Keith remains a question mark. He's certainly not going to bring back the days of yore, but may be able to pull of a decent performance if he sticks to the simple, bluesy kind of playing witnessed in the Sumlin rehearsal clip. Maybe he can do even better with intense rehearsals of what he's used to playing, while delegating some of his classic riffs to Ronnie if his fingers truly are inhibited by arthritis or something. Will fans accept a show that requires additional musicians like Blondie to fill in the gaps in Keith's playing? Will fans accept a show that sounds very much like the Stones even if the actual Stones can't deliver as they did in younger days? If it means one last chance to see our favorite band in person, I would enjoy such a show while acknowledging that the Stones of past years are not going to really be seen ever again. If Keith sticks to his classic open G chords, which are fairly easy to play and can throw in simple fills (noodle lick notwithstanding, lol) that don't try to exceed his current abilities it could still sound pretty good. If Charlie can still kick that unique beat that drives the band and Mick can still sing with what he displayed at the White House, we may have something enjoyable. If Mick Taylor and Bill Wyman are back on board I think we'd have some really good shows. Nothing lasts forever. I'd be happy just to see the Stones one more time celebrating past glories even if they need some outside help to pull it off. I'd like to see them "give it a bash," as Keith says. They may just surprise us. But are they up for the rigors of touring at their present ages? I envision a different kind of tour, with more days off between gigs. Maybe just major cities with multiple shows at whatever stadium or arena they choose. More fans would have to be willing to travel farther to see them if they're willing to see living legends one more time. In a perfect world, I'd like to think that they - especially Keith - rally for the occasion and surprise us with something better than most of us expect. If not, well - they've blown minds enough times in the past that we can't really complain. Some people are thrilled just to see living legends in person. People still go see Chuck Berry at 85 and from various recent youtube clips I've seen, he can hardly play at all anymore. I'd hate to see it come down to such embarrassing performances for the Stones. If they can play without overextending the limitations of age, it could be pleasing to a lot of people. I don't think anyone is star-stuck enough to expect a recreation of '73, '78, or '81 anymore. It will be interesting to see what if anything they may do...

Well, if they were to play as badly as Muhammad Ali performed in his last two fights of his career it would be sad indeed. The good news is, Mick won't allow that to happen. He will do whatever it takes to make sure they go out in a blaze of glory or they won't go out at all. If it means adding Mick Taylor and Jeff Beck for support then that is what he will do. Personally, I would like to see them add Beck, Taylor, and Wyman.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: nankered ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:32

^^^^^^^
is keef really that incapable?

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:34

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nankered
^^^^^^^
is keef really that incapable?

Personally, I think Keith will be just fine, however, Mick will have the final say as far as the line up is concerned.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonesdan60 ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:40

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hot stuff
The good part is most of the Stones fans who can afford the tickets
are all pushing 50 or more...And our ears and eyes aren't as good either..
So they will sound just fine..

So we will all have a great time sitting, (too old to stand too long)..
As the Stones get older we do too...Lets just have a great party together!!!
But PLAY IT LOUD..haha

I'm in! smileys with beer

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: frankotero ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:40

Has anyone thought maybe there are legal problems holding up the tour? Is there still an issue with Michael Cole or Live Nation? I think the boys are up to it and ready to go myself.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonesdan60 ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:41

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stonescrow
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nankered
^^^^^^^
is keef really that incapable?

Personally, I think Keith will be just fine, however, Mick will have the final say as far as the line up is concerned.

I tend to think you're right.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Long John Stoner ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:44

Yes, this board is beating a dead horse. Many people here are either wishing or fervently hoping for something that simply isn't going to happen. If you all are intent on spending a large amount of money for tickets to see a 70ish rocker with a comparable, and maybe greater legendary status than the Stones, save your money for the next McCartney show.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:46

I've always preferred to flog my dead horses

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Munichhilton ()
Date: March 9, 2012 17:58


Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Koen ()
Date: March 9, 2012 18:15

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stonesdan60
Keith remains a question mark. He's certainly not going to bring back the days of yore, but may be able to pull of a decent performance if he sticks to the simple, bluesy kind of playing witnessed in the Sumlin rehearsal clip.

Even in that clip he hardly played. No way he can pull that off a whole show, running around and posing. I wish it wasn't true, but it's a sad, undeniable fact.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Spud ()
Date: March 9, 2012 18:48

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stonescrow
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nankered
^^^^^^^
is keef really that incapable?

Personally, I think Keith will be just fine, however, Mick will have the final say as far as the line up is concerned.

My thoughts too.

This "knackered Keith" nonsense had been been blown out of all proportion.
He's the same sloppy and sometimes magical player he's always been... Just older and a bit less nimble.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: ohotos ()
Date: March 9, 2012 19:00

As excited as I would have been seeing them live one more time it looks less and less probable that this is going to happen - which doesn't mean they won't do a couple concerts - just that whatever they'll do will probably out of my reach financially and maybe geographically as well.
I hadn't really followed the whole can Keith still play or not controversy until now, I just assumed he could do it but after seeing the latest videos of him I must say it's nice to see him but his guitar playing was seriously lacking.
At this point I would prefer one last real studio album to close that chapter. In a controlled studio environment and lots of rehearsals and writing together they could maybe pull that off (Keith included, maybe with some studio trickery helping).

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: treaclefingers ()
Date: March 9, 2012 19:03

Is this a rhetorical question?

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: sweetcharmedlife ()
Date: March 9, 2012 19:13

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Munichhilton
Better to beat a dead horse than a live one.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: pmk251 ()
Date: March 9, 2012 20:41

I hooked up with a Sinatra fan and have a large collection of releases and boots. This guy recorded a bunch of shows in Reno and the Bay area in the '80's. As Sinatra got older he still brought in the fans, but as time went on you can hear the audiences turn from enthusiastic to merely supportive. They were happy to see the great singer, but the voice was...old and they knew it.

I saw BB King twice, in '69 and in the early '70's. The power of the great bluesman then was obvious. Then a few years ago I saw him in a concert hall. It was pretty much full. The audience was appreciative, reverential. Good for BB. But he was harmless, an oversized pixie. I prefer to remember the bluesman when he had some fire.

I knew a guy who went to LA airport to see Charlie Chaplin get off an airplane in a wheel chair. He was thrilled just to see the man.

I think you get my point. People will show up to see the Stones. They will be supportive, but what are they seeing these days? I would prefer that the band find some inspiration and go into the studio to make some music that sounds like it matters to them. The idea of them on stage trying to do what they have done in the past makes me uncomfortable.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 9, 2012 21:34

Quote
hot stuff
The good part is most of the Stones fans who can afford the tickets
are all pushing 50 or more...And our ears and eyes aren't as good either..
So they will sound just fine..

So we will all have a great time sitting, (too old to stand too long)..
As the Stones get older we do too...Lets just have a great party together!!!
But PLAY IT LOUD..haha

Yes, and whoever said rock 'n roll had to be perfect?

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: KSIE ()
Date: March 9, 2012 21:36

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ohotos
At this point I would prefer one last real studio album to close that chapter. In a controlled studio environment and lots of rehearsals and writing together they could maybe pull that off (Keith included, maybe with some studio trickery helping).


I agree. The big issue, to me, of live shows, is the cost. I'm just not willing to fork-over a couple days' pay for me and the missus to go again. They just don't have anything left to say in a live format. If they were willing to commit to a little hard work in the studio, this seems a much better way to top-off their legacy. My two bits.....

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 9, 2012 22:07

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pmk251
I hooked up with a Sinatra fan and have a large collection of releases and boots. This guy recorded a bunch of shows in Reno and the Bay area in the '80's. As Sinatra got older he still brought in the fans, but as time went on you can hear the audiences turn from enthusiastic to merely supportive. They were happy to see the great singer, but the voice was...old and they knew it.

I saw BB King twice, in '69 and in the early '70's. The power of the great bluesman then was obvious. Then a few years ago I saw him in a concert hall. It was pretty much full. The audience was appreciative, reverential. Good for BB. But he was harmless, an oversized pixie. I prefer to remember the bluesman when he had some fire.

I knew a guy who went to LA airport to see Charlie Chaplin get off an airplane in a wheel chair. He was thrilled just to see the man.

I think you get my point. People will show up to see the Stones. They will be supportive, but what are they seeing these days? I would prefer that the band find some inspiration and go into the studio to make some music that sounds like it matters to them. The idea of them on stage trying to do what they have done in the past makes me uncomfortable.

Good comments. There is no doubt they need to scale things down a bit. I think they can still be effective in arenas but would prefer clubs and theaters. Of course it can't go on forever. There are so many ways to look at aging performers. I think the bottom line comes down to it just being so damn hard to give up something you have absolutely loved doing for most of your life. Don Rickles is now 85 and brought the house down just the other night at a casino near Seattle. Doesn't move like he did 30 years ago, but so what. As long as someone can still deliver a reasonably good performance (and continues to have supporters) the fun can go on indefinitely. I hope the Stones grow closer together in their latter years instead of drifting apart. It would be cool to see them just sitting around in chairs in a studio with their acoustical guitars and banging out new tunes all through their seventies.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonescrow ()
Date: March 9, 2012 22:18

Quote
stonescrow
Quote
pmk251
I hooked up with a Sinatra fan and have a large collection of releases and boots. This guy recorded a bunch of shows in Reno and the Bay area in the '80's. As Sinatra got older he still brought in the fans, but as time went on you can hear the audiences turn from enthusiastic to merely supportive. They were happy to see the great singer, but the voice was...old and they knew it.

I saw BB King twice, in '69 and in the early '70's. The power of the great bluesman then was obvious. Then a few years ago I saw him in a concert hall. It was pretty much full. The audience was appreciative, reverential. Good for BB. But he was harmless, an oversized pixie. I prefer to remember the bluesman when he had some fire.

I knew a guy who went to LA airport to see Charlie Chaplin get off an airplane in a wheel chair. He was thrilled just to see the man.

I think you get my point. People will show up to see the Stones. They will be supportive, but what are they seeing these days? I would prefer that the band find some inspiration and go into the studio to make some music that sounds like it matters to them. The idea of them on stage trying to do what they have done in the past makes me uncomfortable.

Good comments. There is no doubt they need to scale things down a bit. I think they can still be effective in arenas but would prefer clubs and theaters. Of course it can't go on forever. There are so many ways to look at aging performers. I think the bottom line comes down to it just being so damn hard to give up something you have absolutely loved doing for most of your life. Don Rickles is now 85 and brought the house down just the other night at a casino near Seattle. Doesn't move like he did 30 years ago, but so what. As long as someone can still deliver a reasonably good performance (and continues to have supporters) the fun can go on indefinitely. I hope the Stones grow closer together in their latter years instead of drifting apart. It would be cool to see them just sitting around in chairs in a studio with their acoustical guitars and banging out new tunes all through their seventies.

No doubt if McCartney stays healthy he will be making music into his 80's. I could even see Mick hooking up with a younger (not too young though) band after the Stones call it quits and going into his 80's also.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: MrMonte ()
Date: March 9, 2012 22:33

I think you've hit the key in the mention of Mick Taylor. B/w Taylor and Wood they could compensate and everyone would be thrilled b/c all three of the guitarists would be there live and in person. If it was someone else like Blondie I think there'd be more closer scruiny and discussion of Keith.

After watching the Sumlin rehearsal video, though, I'm not sure a full blown tour is the way to go. It might be better to really tone it down a bit.

I like the idea of a few commemorative shows, maybe 10 or 20 as someone suggested, or even fewer, perhaps broadcast by HBO or something like that. I can't see another mega-year, mega-city tour.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: superrevvy ()
Date: March 9, 2012 22:42

Are We Beating a Dead Horse?

No, but a dead horse is beating us.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: memphiscats ()
Date: March 9, 2012 22:52

I've seen several threads like this now, but it's probably one of the most important topics:
1. Tour again but keep it small.
2. Do an HBO special or something like that so EVERYONE - all 9 million winking smiley will get a chance to see them.
3. And yes-bring back some heavy hitters to play with the guys.

All we need is the announcement...Mick, Keith, Charlie - are you guys on board?
Come on, come on down, beggin' you
Come on, come on down, you got it in ya...

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: 24FPS ()
Date: March 9, 2012 23:05

The horse is dead. It's rotting. Shut up for a while and let them make their announcement when they're damn good and ready. Like......they.....always...do.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: gmanp ()
Date: March 10, 2012 04:38

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24FPS
The horse is dead. It's rotting. Shut up for a while and let them make their announcement when they're damn good and ready. Like......they.....always...do.
smileys with beer

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: Glam Descendant ()
Date: March 10, 2012 06:11

I'm very fond of it -- good stuff:




Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: TeddyB1018 ()
Date: March 10, 2012 07:01

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stonescrow
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nankered
^^^^^^^
is keef really that incapable?

Personally, I think Keith will be just fine, however, Mick will have the final say as far as the line up is concerned.

Not if you think it's going to include Jeff Beck. Ex-Stones may be up for discussion but not a stand-in. Never happen.

Re: Are We Beating a Dead Horse?
Posted by: stonesdan60 ()
Date: March 10, 2012 11:06

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Koen
Quote
stonesdan60
Keith remains a question mark. He's certainly not going to bring back the days of yore, but may be able to pull of a decent performance if he sticks to the simple, bluesy kind of playing witnessed in the Sumlin rehearsal clip.

Even in that clip he hardly played. No way he can pull that off a whole show, running around and posing. I wish it wasn't true, but it's a sad, undeniable fact.

I have a feeling that at this stage, Keith knows better than to try running around and posing. I expect he'll stand there and play.

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