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There is improvement. No brickwalled sound, flat transfer from original masters, dsd transfer and SACD quality. Hopefully they will soon be released in high definition quality on HDtracks like the 60's catalog...
And the US as well. I LOVE the Abkco SACDs. I even bought an SACD player specifically to play them but I'll be damned if I'll pay $70 for a title I've been able to play back in my head for 40 years.
Fyi,
Onkyo C-S5VL
Not bad.
It is an excellent balance of value for money and performance.
Thank you Mssr. Toru! I will investigate.
I received SF, LYL, TY and DW yesterday on SACD (no hybrid). Delivered by www.jpc.de (Germany).
The price was 50 EUR each (~ $ 71 or GBP 44).
I did not listen to DW yet. All others sound better to me than the CDs. I would not call it a miracle as the original recording material limits the improvement.
On SF I find MT's guitar more present and fuller, "singing" at its best, on LYL the guitars sound sharper and more concise to me, I can hear different parts of Charlie's drums on TY (!).
The hearing experience is totally subjectiv. It is definitely worth some more bucks for the sound and the really luxurious cover (notice: all liner notes in japanese), decide yourself!
I cannot recommend amazon.de for ordering the new Shm-SACDs. The product descriptions are sloppy, the prices high and the release dates are partly wrong. I would not trust them to deliver the SACD while there are Shm-CDs, Shm-SACDs and Hybrid-SACDs of the Rolling Stones. To amazon.de is just all "audio-CD".
I would buy "Still Life" and "Exile On Main Street" at once on SACD. Waiting...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-08-06 12:59 by caesar.
SACD = Super Audio CD
Can read high resolution music files in stereo or surround (ie 5.1). It has a higher dynamic range than CD.
In 2002 all the 60's albums by the Rolling Stones were released on SACD (hybrid format : with a high definition layer and a CD layer so it can be read on any CD palyer).
No silly question at all! The above mentioned SACDs do not provide any bonus material. I.e. "Slave" is only 4:56 min as I found out a sec. ago.
Say you'd pay 10 EUR for a "Tattoo You" 2009 remaster CD, then I'd add 10 EUR for the cover and 20 EUR for the improved sound, the rest is pure luxury.
I read in www.stonesforum.de that the IORR Shm-SACD has "Fingerprint File" played 6% slower and "Till the next time..." has 8 sec. longer fade-out, but I have not got it myself.
For Fingerprint File go here: [www.iorr.org]
Time Waits For No One is running out a few seconds longer. This version is until now available on the vinyl sampler TWFNO from 1979.
Tom
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-29 17:22 by electricmud.
Thank you caesar for your response and the info. Much appreciated!
Thanks for the info Toru...great news.
I'd be interested in how Superheavy does in Japan.
just for clarification....these are stereo SACDs and not 5.1 surround SACDs... correct?
IORR............but I like it!
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Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: July 25, 2011 17:24
In September will be released Emotional Rescue and Goats Head Soup on SACD.
Emotional Rescue:
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Goats Head Soup:
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Like previous releases on SACD they are both from new 2011 DSD masters.
These are said to be flat tranfers from original UK masters.
Previously released with the new 2011 master: Sticky Fingers, Love You Live, It's Only Rock 'n Roll, Dirty Work and Tattoo You.
Emotional Rescue:
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Goats Head Soup:
[www.cdjapan.co.jp]
Like previous releases on SACD they are both from new 2011 DSD masters.
These are said to be flat tranfers from original UK masters.
Previously released with the new 2011 master: Sticky Fingers, Love You Live, It's Only Rock 'n Roll, Dirty Work and Tattoo You.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Phil Good
()
Date: July 25, 2011 17:31
I couldn't care less. To me, they finished with Exile.
Just my 2 cts. But each his own. Peace.
Just my 2 cts. But each his own. Peace.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Braincapers
()
Date: July 25, 2011 17:37
Couldn't care less either - because I can't afford them. Shame that SACD died in the UK.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Winning Ugly VXII
()
Date: July 25, 2011 18:06
If it's any improvement versus the standard 2009 versions,as it should be,I welcome the releases.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: July 25, 2011 18:18
Quote
Winning Ugly VXII
If it's any improvement versus the standard 2009 versions,as it should be,I welcome the releases.
There is improvement. No brickwalled sound, flat transfer from original masters, dsd transfer and SACD quality. Hopefully they will soon be released in high definition quality on HDtracks like the 60's catalog...
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
phd
()
Date: July 25, 2011 19:28
Indian Girl forever...Thanks.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Winning Ugly VXII
()
Date: July 25, 2011 20:27
I'd buy the E.R. SA-CD for "Down in the Hole" alone.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
R
()
Date: July 25, 2011 21:12
Quote
Braincapers
Couldn't care less either - because I can't afford them. Shame that SACD died in the UK.
And the US as well. I LOVE the Abkco SACDs. I even bought an SACD player specifically to play them but I'll be damned if I'll pay $70 for a title I've been able to play back in my head for 40 years.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: July 26, 2011 01:52
The price on these is certainly amusing.
I have the ABKCO SACD's and while I don't yet have an SACD player, I love them.
Any suggestions for a good player?
I have the ABKCO SACD's and while I don't yet have an SACD player, I love them.
Any suggestions for a good player?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
MileHigh
()
Date: July 26, 2011 04:03
I thought SACD was dead. Can you even buy a SACD player?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
stupidguy2
()
Date: July 26, 2011 05:11
What is SACD?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: July 26, 2011 05:13
Quote
treaclefingers
The price on these is certainly amusing.
I have the ABKCO SACD's and while I don't yet have an SACD player, I love them.
Any suggestions for a good player?
Fyi,
Onkyo C-S5VL
Not bad.
It is an excellent balance of value for money and performance.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: July 26, 2011 06:48
Quote
Toru AQuote
treaclefingers
The price on these is certainly amusing.
I have the ABKCO SACD's and while I don't yet have an SACD player, I love them.
Any suggestions for a good player?
Fyi,
Onkyo C-S5VL
Not bad.
It is an excellent balance of value for money and performance.
Thank you Mssr. Toru! I will investigate.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
caesar
()
Date: July 29, 2011 14:39
Quote
kowalski
In September will be released Emotional Rescue and Goats Head Soup on SACD.
...
Previously released with the new 2011 master: Sticky Fingers, Love You Live, It's Only Rock 'n Roll, Dirty Work and Tattoo You.
I received SF, LYL, TY and DW yesterday on SACD (no hybrid). Delivered by www.jpc.de (Germany).
The price was 50 EUR each (~ $ 71 or GBP 44).
I did not listen to DW yet. All others sound better to me than the CDs. I would not call it a miracle as the original recording material limits the improvement.
On SF I find MT's guitar more present and fuller, "singing" at its best, on LYL the guitars sound sharper and more concise to me, I can hear different parts of Charlie's drums on TY (!).
The hearing experience is totally subjectiv. It is definitely worth some more bucks for the sound and the really luxurious cover (notice: all liner notes in japanese), decide yourself!
I cannot recommend amazon.de for ordering the new Shm-SACDs. The product descriptions are sloppy, the prices high and the release dates are partly wrong. I would not trust them to deliver the SACD while there are Shm-CDs, Shm-SACDs and Hybrid-SACDs of the Rolling Stones. To amazon.de is just all "audio-CD".
I would buy "Still Life" and "Exile On Main Street" at once on SACD. Waiting...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-08-06 12:59 by caesar.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
caesar
()
Date: July 29, 2011 14:42
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: July 29, 2011 14:56
SACD = Super Audio CD
Can read high resolution music files in stereo or surround (ie 5.1). It has a higher dynamic range than CD.
In 2002 all the 60's albums by the Rolling Stones were released on SACD (hybrid format : with a high definition layer and a CD layer so it can be read on any CD palyer).
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
sf37
()
Date: July 29, 2011 16:29
This is probably a silly question but is there any chance these new updates could include slightly longer versions of any tracks (as was done with "Slave" at one point on a reissue of Tattoo You) or perhaps any bonus material? Such an act would help, at least, justify an inflated price.....
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
caesar
()
Date: July 29, 2011 16:50
Quote
sf37
This is probably a silly question but is there any chance these new updates could include slightly longer versions of any tracks (as was done with "Slave" at one point on a reissue of Tattoo You) or perhaps any bonus material? Such an act would help, at least, justify an inflated price.....
No silly question at all! The above mentioned SACDs do not provide any bonus material. I.e. "Slave" is only 4:56 min as I found out a sec. ago.
Say you'd pay 10 EUR for a "Tattoo You" 2009 remaster CD, then I'd add 10 EUR for the cover and 20 EUR for the improved sound, the rest is pure luxury.
I read in www.stonesforum.de that the IORR Shm-SACD has "Fingerprint File" played 6% slower and "Till the next time..." has 8 sec. longer fade-out, but I have not got it myself.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
electricmud
()
Date: July 29, 2011 17:07
Quote
caesar
I read in www.stonesforum.de that the IORR Shm-SACD has "Fingerprint File" played 6% slower and "Till the next time..." has 8 sec. longer fade-out, but I have not got it myself.
For Fingerprint File go here: [www.iorr.org]
Time Waits For No One is running out a few seconds longer. This version is until now available on the vinyl sampler TWFNO from 1979.
Tom
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2011-07-29 17:22 by electricmud.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
buffalo7478
()
Date: July 29, 2011 18:25
If my ears were only better! After 30+ years of going to concerts, I am not sure I could here the difference. On bootleg sites people argue over FLAC vs 320 MP3, and I can't hear the difference on 99% of the recordings.
I am assuming it might matter more if the master itself was very clean, with a very wide dynamic range, etc.
I am assuming it might matter more if the master itself was very clean, with a very wide dynamic range, etc.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Anonymous User
()
Date: July 29, 2011 18:25
Quote
Phil Good
I couldn't care less. To me, they finished with Exile.
Just my 2 cts. But each his own. Peace.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
sf37
()
Date: July 30, 2011 17:59
Quote
caesarQuote
sf37
This is probably a silly question but is there any chance these new updates could include slightly longer versions of any tracks (as was done with "Slave" at one point on a reissue of Tattoo You) or perhaps any bonus material? Such an act would help, at least, justify an inflated price.....
No silly question at all! The above mentioned SACDs do not provide any bonus material. I.e. "Slave" is only 4:56 min as I found out a sec. ago.
Say you'd pay 10 EUR for a "Tattoo You" 2009 remaster CD, then I'd add 10 EUR for the cover and 20 EUR for the improved sound, the rest is pure luxury.
I read in www.stonesforum.de that the IORR Shm-SACD has "Fingerprint File" played 6% slower and "Till the next time..." has 8 sec. longer fade-out, but I have not got it myself.
Thank you caesar for your response and the info. Much appreciated!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
soulsurvivor1
()
Date: July 31, 2011 00:28
Dont waste your money..One of the whole ideas of SACD is 5.1 Surround Sound..You can't get Surround Sound from MONO.
Soulsurvivor
Soulsurvivor
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
kowalski
()
Date: July 31, 2011 00:48
70's Stones are not mono as far I know.
Plus SACD is also about higher resolution and better dynamic range.
Plus SACD is also about higher resolution and better dynamic range.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: August 1, 2011 00:14
It would probably be possible (but not necessarily desirable) to go back to the multitracks and remix to 5.1, just like they did with Sympathy for the Devil.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
Toru A
()
Date: September 12, 2011 16:52
SACD Release info:
December 14
Exile On Main Street
Still Life (American Concert 1981)
November 23
Black And Blue
September 28
Goat's Head Soup
Emotional Rescue
Exile already has burst the charts in fifth place.
(Black and Blue as 6th and Still Life as 8th)
What a hasty move!
December 14
Exile On Main Street
Still Life (American Concert 1981)
November 23
Black And Blue
September 28
Goat's Head Soup
Emotional Rescue
Exile already has burst the charts in fifth place.
(Black and Blue as 6th and Still Life as 8th)
What a hasty move!
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: September 12, 2011 17:13
Quote
Toru A
SACD Release info:
December 14
Exile On Main Street
Still Life (American Concert 1981)
November 23
Black And Blue
September 28
Goat's Head Soup
Emotional Rescue
Exile already has burst the charts in fifth place.
(Black and Blue as 6th and Still Life as 8th)
What a hasty move!
Thanks for the info Toru...great news.
I'd be interested in how Superheavy does in Japan.
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
keefbajaga
()
Date: September 12, 2011 19:52
And what will be next year?
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
FreeBird
()
Date: September 12, 2011 22:32
They'll still have to release Some Girls and Undercover after this. I wonder if Some Girls and Exile will include the bonus tracks. I don't think they will, but I've been wrong before...
Re: Two more classics Stones to be released on SACD in September
Posted by:
sweet neo con
()
Date: September 13, 2011 04:17
Quote
caesarQuote
kowalski
In September will be released Emotional Rescue and Goats Head Soup on SACD.
...
Previously released with the new 2011 master: Sticky Fingers, Love You Live, It's Only Rock 'n Roll, Dirty Work and Tattoo You.
I received SF, LYL, TY and DW yesterday on SACD (no hybrid). Delivered by www.jpc.de (Germany).
The price was 50 EUR each (~ $ 71 or GBP 44).
I did not listen to DW yet. All others sound better to me than the CDs. I would not call it a miracle as the original recording material limits the improvement.
On SF I find MT's guitar more present and fuller, "singing" at its best, on LYL the guitars sound sharper and more concise to me, I can hear different parts of Charlie's drums on TY (!).
The hearing experience is totally subjectiv. It is definitely worth some more bucks for the sound and the really luxurious cover (notice: all liner notes in japanese), decide yourself!
I cannot recommend amazon.de for ordering the new Shm-SACDs. The product descriptions are sloppy, the prices high and the release dates are partly wrong. I would not trust them to deliver the SACD while there are Shm-CDs, Shm-SACDs and Hybrid-SACDs of the Rolling Stones. To amazon.de is just all "audio-CD".
I would buy "Still Life" and "Exile On Main Street" at once on SACD. Waiting...
just for clarification....these are stereo SACDs and not 5.1 surround SACDs... correct?
IORR............but I like it!
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