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You are welcome, but sorry I don't have any foto archives. In fact I found that particular photo when I was searching for a certain thread-related photo in the net space. I didn't find the latter. It is a photo from 1979/80 of Marianne and bearded Mick talking face to face to each other, and upset-looking Jerry is staring at them behind (but in a photo middle of them). I saw it in Finnish tranaslation of Philip Norman's Stones book.
- Doxa
Maybe it is true that he has a problem with ending a relationship, but whenever the woman ended the relationship, Mick seemed to have moved on for a long time before. When he was in Austalia with Marianne his thoughts were already with Marsha, Jerry was already there when Bianca left, and I always felt that he provoked Jerry so much because he could not leave himself, but she refused to go. So that child was the best that could happen, because now everone is happy. L´Wren seems to be the best for him.
You are not quite right. He is pretty hairy in the right areas
True, but at the same time, while he "moves on", it seems like he always regrets it to a point. This is all supposition of course, but so many of his songs have a tinge of regret. And sometimes that next person can be a crutch to moving on. I do agree with your theory about the end of his relationship with Jerry Hall. I remember Morad saying something something to the effect that he told his relationship with Jerry was over and that their last child was her idea, not his. She also said that he asked about protection and he said it didn't matter. I think you've touched on something here: maybe he was unhappy, she was unhappy, but he knew she would never leave and he did something so completely destructive that she would have no choice. Sometimes people subconciously sabatoge a relationship and then regret it later. But the fact is, Miss Scott does seem good for him, He seems settled in a way that he never did with Jerry, despite all those kids.
I think, to be what he is, Mick Jagger deserves no lesser woman.
- Doxa
men never end relationships!!! why should they, they can keep and @#$%& them all.
i mean if she doesn´t end it why should he ever want to. why not @#$%& once in a while, why really end it?
Ain't no "maybe". She was. She still is. Out of all of Mick's women, she's the only one that acted mature. She never talked down about him to their daughter, Karis. Even after he denied she was his! You call that irritating, but I call that STRENGTH. Her maturity paid off in the end, because Mick eventually came around and started acting right towards her.
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"What I'm doing is a sexual thing. I dance and all dancing is a replacement for sex". - Mick Jagger
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I had the good fortune to meet and become acquainted with Bianca Jagger in the early 80's. I met her in Studio 54 (where I was bartending - and having the time of my life - as a young pup right out of University) and she was indeed a cerebral, self-contained lady...very different than the other women I met there. There was a strength, confidence and dignity about her that was nearly unnerving in those febrile times. We had breakfast together several times - she waited until Studio closed and we would have something to eat in a diner nearby...and she was nobody's fool and very involved in humanitarian causes, (though I considered her a Champagne Socialist - but that's for another discussion). We had lively political debates (as lively as they can be at 5:30 a.m.) and I can very easily imagine Bianca considering the Stone's music 'childish music-making' compared to the causes she was involved in, which included feeding hungry children in Nicaragua, among several other endeavors. As a Stones fan - and in New York in the late 70's and early 80's New York was a Stones town thru and thru so everybody knew what had happened with Bianca and Mick and Jerry, etc. - I never directly asked her about this, but I listened between the lines and I sensed a melancholy and a sense of regret that she had moved on to more adult, 'meaningful' endeavors while her mate had chosen to remain in the same place playing the same shallow, narcissistic (and very lucrative) game...very complicated...
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Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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Date: October 6, 2010 13:26
There is so much invested in this pheneomenon called The Rolling Stones that goes way beyond, say, the guitar magazine stuff
Exactly!
Marianne once said those things that people most hate about Mick - narcissism,vanity,arrogance and womanazing - all of it make him the greatest performer of all times. That's the Jagger' paradox, people love and hate him simultaneously for the same things.
Mick is not just the performer, he is the lyric writer, so muses for him are the most important.
And thank you very much for the foto, Doxa! Have you more from that period? I've only seen the fotos of sport team at school and TV appearence with his dad(Imean from his teen years)
Exactly!
Marianne once said those things that people most hate about Mick - narcissism,vanity,arrogance and womanazing - all of it make him the greatest performer of all times. That's the Jagger' paradox, people love and hate him simultaneously for the same things.
Mick is not just the performer, he is the lyric writer, so muses for him are the most important.
And thank you very much for the foto, Doxa! Have you more from that period? I've only seen the fotos of sport team at school and TV appearence with his dad(Imean from his teen years)
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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Doxa
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Date: October 6, 2010 14:44
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proudmary
And thank you very much for the foto, Doxa! Have you more from that period? I've only seen the fotos of sport team at school and TV appearence with his dad(Imean from his teen years)
You are welcome, but sorry I don't have any foto archives. In fact I found that particular photo when I was searching for a certain thread-related photo in the net space. I didn't find the latter. It is a photo from 1979/80 of Marianne and bearded Mick talking face to face to each other, and upset-looking Jerry is staring at them behind (but in a photo middle of them). I saw it in Finnish tranaslation of Philip Norman's Stones book.
- Doxa
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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Date: October 6, 2010 16:53
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Textbook response. It's pretty much impossible for most females to put themselves in his position where he can do almost anybody whenever he wants, and doesn't have to listen to somebody complain when he's not home at a certain time. When he gets tired of one,
Case in point - Jo Wood was talking about how she'd like to find a man a week or two ago. You don't see Ronnie having that problem do you? That's just the way it is, good or bad.
Textbook male response, if it so suits you, Brue..lol
I've always believed that are the needy ones. Case in point, has Mick ever been without someone? Nope, he went from one to the other with little time in between, Like most men, they need a crutch, no matter how randy or nonchalant they pretend to be. I think Jagger is a perfect example of that. He @#$%& and @#$%& everything, but falls apart when his women gets fed up and ends it. Has Mick ever ended any of his relationships, intentionally? Again, nope. Marianne, Bianca, Jerry Hall and Anita for that matter - all have remained primarily unattached. They seem empowered by singledom. I get that its somehow empowering for some guys to get off on the idea that rock stars don't give a shit, but women know better. They need a woman.
This is exactly why men don't tell women the truth. You don't see me calling people names, do you? Nooooooo)
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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elunsi
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Date: October 6, 2010 18:03
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stupidguy2
but falls apart when his women gets fed up and ends it. Has Mick ever ended any of his relationships, intentionally? Again, nope.
Maybe it is true that he has a problem with ending a relationship, but whenever the woman ended the relationship, Mick seemed to have moved on for a long time before. When he was in Austalia with Marianne his thoughts were already with Marsha, Jerry was already there when Bianca left, and I always felt that he provoked Jerry so much because he could not leave himself, but she refused to go. So that child was the best that could happen, because now everone is happy. L´Wren seems to be the best for him.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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proudmary
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Date: October 6, 2010 18:39
L´Wren seems to be the best for him
Come on, Mick is 67! Maybe it helps that his testesteron level is normal to his age these days
Come on, Mick is 67! Maybe it helps that his testesteron level is normal to his age these days
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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Date: October 6, 2010 18:42
DOXA, I know exactly what you are talking about. I like it too. It is hidden here on IORR. meanwhile
BTW, I also was looking for "Mick and beard" theme. I've read once Mick' interview with Jimmy Fallon- Mick was the interviewer- about comedy, in general. and among others things they talked about beards too. mick said smth. like it was very unclean, all the food and drinks were in the beard and he had to clean it all the time. can't find it on the net
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BTW, I also was looking for "Mick and beard" theme. I've read once Mick' interview with Jimmy Fallon- Mick was the interviewer- about comedy, in general. and among others things they talked about beards too. mick said smth. like it was very unclean, all the food and drinks were in the beard and he had to clean it all the time. can't find it on the net
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Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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proudmary
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Date: October 6, 2010 19:56
and this one
I'll find the one you looking for
I'll find the one you looking for
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
Bliss
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Date: October 6, 2010 20:22
I'm surprised Mick could grow such a huge beard, considering how unhairy he is otherwise.
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Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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proudmary
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Date: October 6, 2010 20:49
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Bliss
I'm surprised Mick could grow such a huge beard, considering how unhairy he is otherwise.
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You are not quite right. He is pretty hairy in the right areas
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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stupidguy2
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Date: October 6, 2010 21:42
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Maybe it is true that he has a problem with ending a relationship, but whenever the woman ended the relationship, Mick seemed to have moved on for a long time before. When he was in Austalia with Marianne his thoughts were already with Marsha, Jerry was already there when Bianca left, and I always felt that he provoked Jerry so much because he could not leave himself, but she refused to go. So that child was the best that could happen, because now everone is happy. L´Wren seems to be the best for him.
True, but at the same time, while he "moves on", it seems like he always regrets it to a point. This is all supposition of course, but so many of his songs have a tinge of regret. And sometimes that next person can be a crutch to moving on. I do agree with your theory about the end of his relationship with Jerry Hall. I remember Morad saying something something to the effect that he told his relationship with Jerry was over and that their last child was her idea, not his. She also said that he asked about protection and he said it didn't matter. I think you've touched on something here: maybe he was unhappy, she was unhappy, but he knew she would never leave and he did something so completely destructive that she would have no choice. Sometimes people subconciously sabatoge a relationship and then regret it later. But the fact is, Miss Scott does seem good for him, He seems settled in a way that he never did with Jerry, despite all those kids.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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proudmary
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Date: October 7, 2010 20:19
....But the fact is, Miss Scott does seem good for him....
I don't think so
I don't think so
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
gimmelittledrink
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Date: October 7, 2010 21:09
Isn't she 6'4" or something? That's pretty tall for a woman.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
Doxa
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Date: October 7, 2010 21:13
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gimmelittledrink
Isn't she 6'4" or something? That's pretty tall for a woman.
I think, to be what he is, Mick Jagger deserves no lesser woman.
- Doxa
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
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stupidguy2
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Date: October 8, 2010 00:54
Ok, that's a funny picture and an easy shot....lol.
While age might have something to do seeming more 'settled'.
(This is all supposition and a matter of friendly debate (smiley face)
Its more than that though Mary,
You mentioned that you've only been reading about the Stones for a few years. Well, from 83-1999, nothing really changed in the Mick and Jerry Follies (that's how Rolling Stones described it in the 80s)
There was the intitial "living together" 78-82, and then Jerry obviously started to want something more secure and binding. (According to Marie Helvin, a young model who knew Jerry in the early days and was dating Mick's photographer-buddy David Bailey, Jerry thought it would be "fun" to get pregnant at the same time. This was 1978, before Mick was even divorced! Thhis is an indication of her maturity level at the time).
Somewhere around 82 these two seemed to repeat a pattern. One of Mick's "affairs" becomes public, a reunion of sorts occurs, Jerry either gets pregnant or starts talking about how they're geting married. That happened over and over and over througout the 80s and 90s and it was embarassing to watch as a Stones fan because it happened in the pages of People and US or whatever. Nothing every changed or seemed to evolve and that was apparent in Jerry's attitude.
By contrast, there seems to be a real mutual respect between L'wren and Mick. Its obvious. Jagger has finally gotten his persona out of the tabloids and that never happened when he was Jerry, Not slamming her, just a fact. When was the last time Jagger was "linked" to some 21-year old starlet or heiress? Not in a long time. Yes, it may be age, but .....its interesting that Jade jokingly called L'wren her "stepmother" at a recent party. She never called Jerry that. There seems to be something stable about L'Wren, not needy and not desparate. They are seen together very often and he supports her work. I like this Mick Jagger.
While age might have something to do seeming more 'settled'.
(This is all supposition and a matter of friendly debate (smiley face)
Its more than that though Mary,
You mentioned that you've only been reading about the Stones for a few years. Well, from 83-1999, nothing really changed in the Mick and Jerry Follies (that's how Rolling Stones described it in the 80s)
There was the intitial "living together" 78-82, and then Jerry obviously started to want something more secure and binding. (According to Marie Helvin, a young model who knew Jerry in the early days and was dating Mick's photographer-buddy David Bailey, Jerry thought it would be "fun" to get pregnant at the same time. This was 1978, before Mick was even divorced! Thhis is an indication of her maturity level at the time).
Somewhere around 82 these two seemed to repeat a pattern. One of Mick's "affairs" becomes public, a reunion of sorts occurs, Jerry either gets pregnant or starts talking about how they're geting married. That happened over and over and over througout the 80s and 90s and it was embarassing to watch as a Stones fan because it happened in the pages of People and US or whatever. Nothing every changed or seemed to evolve and that was apparent in Jerry's attitude.
By contrast, there seems to be a real mutual respect between L'wren and Mick. Its obvious. Jagger has finally gotten his persona out of the tabloids and that never happened when he was Jerry, Not slamming her, just a fact. When was the last time Jagger was "linked" to some 21-year old starlet or heiress? Not in a long time. Yes, it may be age, but .....its interesting that Jade jokingly called L'wren her "stepmother" at a recent party. She never called Jerry that. There seems to be something stable about L'Wren, not needy and not desparate. They are seen together very often and he supports her work. I like this Mick Jagger.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
proudmary
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Date: October 8, 2010 01:15
Hey, I like Mick Jagger too ,irrespective of his consort at any given time.
You said,stupidguy2
"I think we all have our opinions and have our favorite Stones chick"
Who's yours?
You said,stupidguy2
"I think we all have our opinions and have our favorite Stones chick"
Who's yours?
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
stupidguy2
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Date: October 8, 2010 05:12
I'm always partial to dark horses and that was always Bianca to me, but of course, I love the Anita/Marianne drama. And as much as I criticize her, I like Jerry Hall's un-pretentiousness when she's not being pretentious or over-doing it. I'm from Texas too and... in the summer of 1979, Jerry, along with John Travolta, was in my hometown shooting Urban Cowboy. It was the biggest thing to happen to my honky-tonk city,so I can't be too mean.
As I said, all the women are interesting and iconic in their own ways. WHat other rock and roll band can we say that about? Not too many.
As I said, all the women are interesting and iconic in their own ways. WHat other rock and roll band can we say that about? Not too many.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
stateofshock
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Date: October 8, 2010 06:03
My favorite Mick chick is Marsha Hunt.
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"What I'm doing is a sexual thing. I dance and all dancing is a replacement for sex". - Mick Jagger
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"What I'm doing is a sexual thing. I dance and all dancing is a replacement for sex". - Mick Jagger
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
proudmary
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Date: October 8, 2010 17:08
I'm always partial to dark horses and that was always Bianca to me
yeah, of course Bianca.
by Mike Lawn
by Richard Avedon, 1972
Arriving on a white horse at Studio 54
Bianca Birthday party at Studio 54
yeah, of course Bianca.
by Mike Lawn
by Richard Avedon, 1972
Arriving on a white horse at Studio 54
Bianca Birthday party at Studio 54
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
nkt44
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Date: October 8, 2010 22:00
Annoying as she is - I think it's Marianne. The most entertaining, I guess.
I've read Marsha's book and there is something irritatingly too-saintly about her. How she's so rational and caring and grown up. Maybe she is; I don't know.
The relationship that has always fascinated me the most was the one Mick had with Chrissie Shrimpton - apart from cliched stories - there is very little information available.
Did they even live together? Bent Rej describes a sort of a domestic scene when he came to photograph Mick in his flat. And Marianne describes how when she moved into Mick's flat there were still Chrissie's things around.
But in her column 'From London with Luv' in Tiger Beat she mentions living with her flatmates (Liz and Linda) and that's in October 1966.
Plus, she's always shown as Mick's victim (trying to commit suicide after he left her for Marianne, etc) but didn't she beat the s**t out of him on a regular basis? She even allegedly scratched his face with her ring so badly that she gave him a scar on his cheek.
I mean, they might have had a 'passionate' relationship but Mick is hardly known for hitting his girlfriends...
I've read Marsha's book and there is something irritatingly too-saintly about her. How she's so rational and caring and grown up. Maybe she is; I don't know.
The relationship that has always fascinated me the most was the one Mick had with Chrissie Shrimpton - apart from cliched stories - there is very little information available.
Did they even live together? Bent Rej describes a sort of a domestic scene when he came to photograph Mick in his flat. And Marianne describes how when she moved into Mick's flat there were still Chrissie's things around.
But in her column 'From London with Luv' in Tiger Beat she mentions living with her flatmates (Liz and Linda) and that's in October 1966.
Plus, she's always shown as Mick's victim (trying to commit suicide after he left her for Marianne, etc) but didn't she beat the s**t out of him on a regular basis? She even allegedly scratched his face with her ring so badly that she gave him a scar on his cheek.
I mean, they might have had a 'passionate' relationship but Mick is hardly known for hitting his girlfriends...
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
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Date: October 8, 2010 22:27
What year are those Studio 54 shots of Mick and Bianca from? Anyone know?
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
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Date: October 8, 2010 22:27
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but falls apart when his women gets fed up and ends it. Has Mick ever ended any of his relationships, intentionally? Again, nope.
Maybe it is true that he has a problem with ending a relationship, but whenever the woman ended the relationship, Mick seemed to have moved on for a long time before. When he was in Austalia with Marianne his thoughts were already with Marsha, Jerry was already there when Bianca left, and I always felt that he provoked Jerry so much because he could not leave himself, but she refused to go. So that child was the best that could happen, because now everone is happy. L´Wren seems to be the best for him.
men never end relationships!!! why should they, they can keep and @#$%& them all.
i mean if she doesn´t end it why should he ever want to. why not @#$%& once in a while, why really end it?
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
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Date: October 8, 2010 22:34
That's dangerously close to the lyrics of "Rough Justice," StonesWashed77.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
stateofshock
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Date: October 8, 2010 22:45
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nkt44
Annoying as she is - I think it's Marianne. The most entertaining, I guess.
I've read Marsha's book and there is something irritatingly too-saintly about her. How she's so rational and caring and grown up. Maybe she is; I don't know....
Ain't no "maybe". She was. She still is. Out of all of Mick's women, she's the only one that acted mature. She never talked down about him to their daughter, Karis. Even after he denied she was his! You call that irritating, but I call that STRENGTH. Her maturity paid off in the end, because Mick eventually came around and started acting right towards her.
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"What I'm doing is a sexual thing. I dance and all dancing is a replacement for sex". - Mick Jagger
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Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
stoneswashed77
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Date: October 8, 2010 22:54
of all mick´s chicks i find marianne most boring.
bianca just doesn´t fit.
jerry was a good match. they should have grown old (even older) together with some partying here and there.
bianca just doesn´t fit.
jerry was a good match. they should have grown old (even older) together with some partying here and there.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
Rocky Dijon
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Date: October 8, 2010 23:26
Now you're in "Evening Gown" territory. Better lyrics, wise move.
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
proudmary
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Date: October 8, 2010 23:31
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Rocky Dijon
What year are those Studio 54 shots of Mick and Bianca from? Anyone know?
1977
Re: Jagger' heroin addiction
Posted by:
Turd On The Run
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Date: October 9, 2010 09:49
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[I actually think Bianca hurt Jagger the most, contrary to the images they evoked. I know that's a rare opinion in Stonesdom. But hmmm....just a hunch.
I don´t know if it is only a rumor or if it is true that Bianca never understood what he was doing. And that she told him to stop with that childish music-making and do something more meaningful. Being a creative person it must be hurtful to hear from your partner that you should give up that "stupid thing". If it is true.
I had the good fortune to meet and become acquainted with Bianca Jagger in the early 80's. I met her in Studio 54 (where I was bartending - and having the time of my life - as a young pup right out of University) and she was indeed a cerebral, self-contained lady...very different than the other women I met there. There was a strength, confidence and dignity about her that was nearly unnerving in those febrile times. We had breakfast together several times - she waited until Studio closed and we would have something to eat in a diner nearby...and she was nobody's fool and very involved in humanitarian causes, (though I considered her a Champagne Socialist - but that's for another discussion). We had lively political debates (as lively as they can be at 5:30 a.m.) and I can very easily imagine Bianca considering the Stone's music 'childish music-making' compared to the causes she was involved in, which included feeding hungry children in Nicaragua, among several other endeavors. As a Stones fan - and in New York in the late 70's and early 80's New York was a Stones town thru and thru so everybody knew what had happened with Bianca and Mick and Jerry, etc. - I never directly asked her about this, but I listened between the lines and I sensed a melancholy and a sense of regret that she had moved on to more adult, 'meaningful' endeavors while her mate had chosen to remain in the same place playing the same shallow, narcissistic (and very lucrative) game...very complicated...
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