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Hairball, aptly named btw, you're entire post just proves my point.
Apologies for the "stupidguy2 (aptly named)" remark, but it was simply in response to you stereotyping everyone who didn't like Prince as "meatheads".
As for my entire post proving your point, can you please elaborate?
Remember, this was 1981. Hardly anyone knew who Prince was, and everybody I know definitely didn't know who he was.
This was pre-Purple Rain, MTV, etc., etc., etc., and the music he played was out of left field.
Unless you were there it's hard to understand where you're coming from.
Sure I eventually learned to appreciate his talent, but that was over 30 years after the fact when my wife dragged me to see him in a club in Vegas (awesome show)!
The bottom line is that Prince was WAY out of his element at a Rolling Stones show c.1981, and it was a bizarre spectacle to say the least for nearly everyone who was there...period!
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Something similar happened to Justin Timberlake in 2003 in Toronto at Sarsfest which I was in attendence. Keef was visibly angry at the fans for throwing things on stage at Timberlake. He went on to do Miss You with jagger.
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I think we can all agree for whatever reason Prince did not go over well as an opener.
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...and most fans probably respectfully applauded. But the meatheads...they have to ruin everything.
Absolutely false, I was there.
Prince didn't go over well...period.
Hairball coughs up the truth!
I was there as well, right up front, and agree completely. IMO, his poor reception was his own fault. Will post more about "The Prince Incident" from my perspective soon.
All this proves that there were more meatheads present than I thought.
Prince was the one of the greatest, most innovative artists of the 80s...period.
Doesn't matter what he later became. Like others here, I was there. For that time (1981), for that place (L.A. in the heat), it was an incredibly stupid move booking him to open. If he doesn't come out wearing women's underwear, practically begging them to not like him, then different story. But when the other three acts are guitar driven macho bands, Thorogood, Geils and the Stones, Prince was woefully out of place.
'Begging them not like him' because of what he was wearing?
Hairball, aptly named btw, you're entire post just proves my point. Plink, I wasn't there nor was I calling you a 'meathead'.. Unless you were booing, that is.
You guys are making lots of excuses for some of the Stones audience members booing an opening act because said act is out of their 'comfort zone ' ... Narrow as it is..Booing is meatheaded. And the term 'meathead' is just a paraphrase of what Keith called the fans booing JTimberlake..
But oh... I guess inviting him was the wrong move too... Cos, you know, he's not 'guitar-driven macho bands' ...
Maybe fans need to grow the f*** up and open their f*** minds. Again, booing is meatheaded and juvenile. Period.
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Thanks for the great read, swaystones
Thanks ,stonezone,you're welcome .
Actually,as you can imagine,it took me a long while trying to get the real sense and meaning of this review in English.
I can't imagine the whole story has to do with racism .
After my read -but I could have misunderstood and missed some points-I would think that may be Jagger was aware of Prince' presence on stage ,that is to say an already good performer on stage.
May be Jagger didn't want to have HIS audience watching a more sexy front singer than him.
What do you think ?
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as anonymous user said,not only were journey booed at jfk in 81,they had several bottles whipped at there head i was there.footnote,great seats and 15 bucks.tm price!!
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Hairball, aptly named btw, you're entire post just proves my point.
Apologies for the "stupidguy2 (aptly named)" remark, but it was simply in response to you stereotyping everyone who didn't like Prince as "meatheads".
As for my entire post proving your point, can you please elaborate?
Remember, this was 1981. Hardly anyone knew who Prince was, and everybody I know definitely didn't know who he was.
This was pre-Purple Rain, MTV, etc., etc., etc., and the music he played was out of left field.
Unless you were there it's hard to understand where you're coming from.
Sure I eventually learned to appreciate his talent, but that was over 30 years after the fact when my wife dragged me to see him in a club in Vegas (awesome show)!
The bottom line is that Prince was WAY out of his element at a Rolling Stones show c.1981, and it was a bizarre spectacle to say the least for nearly everyone who was there...period!
Prince is not everyone's cup of tea, that's for sure.
I wasn't throwing non-Prince-fans in some 'meathead' category, I was just calling people who boo acts while they're on stage meatheads. Not you in particular.
But I will say that there is an element in rock and roll among 'fans' and listeners and concert-goers, who are meatheads. The people who boo anything they don't get or like or respect. I hate that sh**. Always have, because I was around that mentatlity when I was growing up. The Stones audience has to be the most diverse of any 'rock and roll' band, artist because they themselves pull from so many different influences. I don't consider drunk- people-at-concerts-that-boo music fans. They're just there, drinking and booing. Its just juvenile.
My reaction to the 'fans' booing Prince or Journey or anybody for whatever reason is a reaction to the reactionary meathead 'rock fan'. You know they exist, and Im not saying you are one of them. You're obviously a Stones fan, and that by definition must mean you appreciate different styles of music.
But its not that far off, in my opinion, to suggest that there is a racial component to some of those people booing...like all those meatheads that burned disco records. That kind of dumb sh** is more than just a reaction to a style of music. If some of you don't want to label it as racial or give it a sexual-phobic bent...that's your POV because that may not reflect you. But I believe that mentality does exist. I know it does. Not liking Prince or an artist because you don't like their music is one thing. Booing somebody on stage is just intolerance.
Not calling anyone here 'racist' for not liking Prince. That's stupid and I would never do that. But there are rock and roll fans that just happen to be meatheads, dead from the neck up. And some of them probably go to Stones concerts, and other concerts. That does exist. That's all Im saying.
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Hairball, aptly named btw, you're entire post just proves my point.
Apologies for the "stupidguy2 (aptly named)" remark, but it was simply in response to you stereotyping everyone who didn't like Prince as "meatheads".
As for my entire post proving your point, can you please elaborate?
Remember, this was 1981. Hardly anyone knew who Prince was, and everybody I know definitely didn't know who he was.
This was pre-Purple Rain, MTV, etc., etc., etc., and the music he played was out of left field.
Unless you were there it's hard to understand where you're coming from.
Sure I eventually learned to appreciate his talent, but that was over 30 years after the fact when my wife dragged me to see him in a club in Vegas (awesome show)!
The bottom line is that Prince was WAY out of his element at a Rolling Stones show c.1981, and it was a bizarre spectacle to say the least for nearly everyone who was there...period!
Prince is not everyone's cup of tea, that's for sure.
I wasn't throwing non-Prince-fans in some 'meathead' category, I was just calling people who boo acts while they're on stage meatheads. Not you in particular.
But I will say that there is an element in rock and roll among 'fans' and listeners and concert-goers, who are meatheads. The people who boo anything they don't get or like or respect. I hate that sh**. Always have, because I was around that mentatlity when I was growing up. The Stones audience has to be the most diverse of any 'rock and roll' band, artist because they themselves pull from so many different influences. I don't consider drunk- people-at-concerts-that-boo music fans. They're just there, drinking and booing. Its just juvenile.
My reaction to the 'fans' booing Prince or Journey or anybody for whatever reason is a reaction to the reactionary meathead 'rock fan'. You know they exist, and Im not saying you are one of them. You're obviously a Stones fan, and that by definition must mean you appreciate different styles of music.
But its not that far off, in my opinion, to suggest that there is a racial component to some of those people booing...like all those meatheads that burned disco records. That kind of dumb sh** is more than just a reaction to a style of music. If some of you don't want to label it as racial or give it a sexual-phobic bent...that's your POV because that may not reflect you. But I believe that mentality does exist. I know it does. Not liking Prince or an artist because you don't like their music is one thing. Booing somebody on stage is just intolerance.
Not calling anyone here 'racist' for not liking Prince. That's stupid and I would never do that. But there are rock and roll fans that just happen to be meatheads, dead from the neck up. And some of them probably go to Stones concerts, and other concerts. That does exist. That's all Im saying.
Rather than assume it was racially motivated, or that the booing was "rock and roll fans that just happen to be meatheads", let's look at it this way.
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I have tried and failed to decipher what it was that Jagger told Prince.
I know he opened for the Stones and the public threw vegetables and so on,
and he left the stage after 15 minutes but came back to open the second show anyway,
but I don't know what Jagger told Prince. Any clarity will be gratefully received.
Love and light to him, and thanks and praises.
Prince was an idiot not to tone down his act after all this abuse from Stones fans October 1981. If he had dressed conventionally he could have played whatever music he wanted. Instead he's going out in a bikini and trench coat? And keeps doing this after numerous objects are thrown at him. Dumb dumb stooopidQuote
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triceratopsPrince was an idiot not to tone down his act after all this abuse from Stones fans October 1981. If he had dressed conventionally he could have played whatever music he wanted. Instead he's going out in a bikini and trench coat? And keeps doing this after numerous objects are thrown at him. Dumb dumb stooopidQuote
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Here is an article on Carmine Appice's new book.
He mentions being Prince's housemate in LA at the time of this incident and consoling him afterwards.
This book should be a good read.
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triceratopsPrince was an idiot not to tone down his act after all this abuse from Stones fans October 1981. If he had dressed conventionally he could have played whatever music he wanted. Instead he's going out in a bikini and trench coat? And keeps doing this after numerous objects are thrown at him. Dumb dumb stooopidQuote
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