Jagger doesn't feel 'Sway' at all, and that's the real problem here. He sings it like a pop song. Mick Taylor should have been given a few minutes of extended guitar soloing at the end. Carla Olsen understood the song's mood so much more than Jagger, and her's remains the definitive live version for me. Mick Taylor is sounding so much more integrated with the rest of the group here, although wha
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QuoteDandelionPowderman David Sanborne's magnificent sax solo and Mick's wild vocals are climaxes enough for me. It's all about individual expectations and taste, Edward. I think of Feel On Baby as a musical masterpiece, you're obviously not there. GHS is brilliantly produced (not sound-wise), but that doesn't necessarily mean that the songs are finished, song writing-wise. Hide Your Love i
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QuoteDandelionPowderman Sometimes simple grooves work better than advancly crafted songs, sometimes not. Dandelion, the point i'm really trying to make is the Stones were still young enough to sound good on UNDERCOVER, even if the song/arrangement content was often fairly mediocre. That's my thought on 'Pretty Beat Up', also. The song tends to get stuck in a groove but never really expands
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteEdward Twining QuoteDandelionPowderman <in terms of the quality of the writing, arranging, production etc. UNDERCOVER ranks as one of the Stones most underwhelming efforts> By whom? The critics praised the album when it came out - mainly. The fans enjoy many of the songs on it, and it usually is topping the list of "latter day Stones-albums". U
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QuoteDandelionPowderman <in terms of the quality of the writing, arranging, production etc. UNDERCOVER ranks as one of the Stones most underwhelming efforts> By whom? The critics praised the album when it came out - mainly. The fans enjoy many of the songs on it, and it usually is topping the list of "latter day Stones-albums". UNDERCOVER does have a refreshing level of sp
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Quotekammpberg Stones Fan – **** Casual Listener - ** After the gargantuan success of Tattoo You and its corresponding tours, The Stones entered their darkest period of their career with Undercover. MTV had become a huge force, and the band responded by producing three of their greatest videos for this album. But all was not great within the Stones camp, and it showed on what is their b
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QuoteDandelionPowderman My take on it is that the Stones realised they had gold, a forte to compete with other contemporary bands with - in Taylor. After a while they realised that his contributions (autumn 1973) lead them a bit off their vision of the band. I'm fully aware of this not being the "accepted" opinion about 1973 - it's just my opinion - and there are both good and not so go
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QuoteDandelionPowderman That is true, Edward, although I think (and it is well-documented by statements from the band as well) that Taylor expanded his role in band. That might very well be because of what was happening on the music scene at the time, but Keith's role was also diminished . and there is nothing that indicates that he was in such a bad state that he couldn't play as much as he used
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QuoteDandelionPowderman QuoteEdward Twining I love Taylor, because he gave the Stones infinite possibilities, especially in the lead/slide guitar department, just as Brian Jones did when he added the various textures of multi instrumental sound to their sixties recordings. I can certainly see the point where some say he began overplaying on the 73 autumn tour, in a kind of musical detachment perh
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I love Taylor, because he gave the Stones infinite possibilities, especially in the lead/slide guitar department, just as Brian Jones did when he added the various textures of multi instrumental sound to their sixties recordings. I can certainly see the point where some say he began overplaying on the 73 autumn tour, in a kind of musical detachment perhaps, but part of me enjoys the artistic expr
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Quotepinkfloydthebarber Quote71Tele Quotepinkfloydthebarber in regards to The Stones I weight equally the "Taylor Era" (1969-73) and "Ronnie Era" (1975-82). I think they both fitted to the band marvelously in their time, and helped the band to reshape their sound and to sound better - i hear ya doxa but the thing to me that matters..is the tunes and they were so so so
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Quote71Tele As someone who clearly prefers Taylor's period in the band overall to Wood's, it pains me to say that not only have Taylor's skills diminished but that he has lost the ability and perhaps the interest in melding with a song rather than just playing lead. The Taylor I miss is the one who put in all those tasty rhythm parts and licks on songs like Sympathy and I'm Free from Ya Yas. Even
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QuoteDoxa I am glad Edward Twining shares the appreciation towards PRIMITIVE COOL that I have - there are not many of us... But behind the slick surface I hear there an inspired artist and a real touch of muse I don't hear in any Stones album ever since; it is there if one just digs a bit (only some Richards solo and Stones songs and WANDERING SPIRIT comes close, but the latter is rather easy bet
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Quotestonehearted I wonder if I can pinpoint what it is that makes virtually all of Mick's solo material fall flat, because it is a rather nice tune with a memorable hook. But even the dullest of Stones tracks has something Mick's solo work doesn't--The Stones. The Stones are a rock band, and if recorded by The Stones this track would have sounded more like a rock song, rather than just a dated m
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Lady Jayne, i am not sure i agree with you with regards to 'Sympathy For The Devil' and 'Salt Of The Earth'. What i love about BEGGARS BANQUET is its lack of pretence, in terms of what constitutes the basic ingredients of each song. The Stones on BEGGARS BANQUET tend never to overreach themselves in terms of them attempting to appear too 'grand',or over inflated etc. One could argue that 'You Can
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QuoteLady Jayne LIB is my favourite album of all time, Stones or otherwise. I think the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. For me, each number is perfectly placed within the album as a whole - as someone else has written, the 60's shifting into the 70's. It also sums up the two strands of the the Glimmer Twins songwriting genius at each end of the record - Gimme Shelter is all about Ke
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QuoteStrawberriesBlueberries I suppose with the improvised parts you mean the ones after 2:36 and 3:52? I think he tries to approximate the version they did in the 60s. There is also a slot with this variation of melody. But in the 60s video I know (www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-G6tc1w_7g), it is brilliantly done, with a rocking voice, here it is thin, almost breathless screaming and I understand wha
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QuoteBig Al Quotetreaclefingers And Paint it, Black in particular. Well, of course. The Stones moments of mid-60's greatness were on par with Beatles. It's just that Lennon and McCarthey were more consistent in their quality of songwriting from the beginning. It took Mick and Keith a little longer to develop. By the time of Jumpin' Jack Flash and Beggars Banquet, they had caught up. There a
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I was referring to the version of 'I Wanna Be Your Man' from the 25th, StrawberriesBlueberries. I do agree the song did sound a bit forced, but i thought it was ok when Jagger sang the original vocal melody line, but when he deviated and started to improvise a little more as the song progressed, i found myself feeling irritated by his voice. I don't think, however much Jagger has become m
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QuoteStrawberriesBlueberries There were already some positive remarks about Mick's singing at the O2 shows in posts of several threads. But I thought it would be interesting to collect them in an extra thread and a little more in detail, especially as he has often been criticized by fans for bad vocal efforts in recent years. Personally I liked many of Mick's vocal performances or single passages
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Quotedrbryant Revolver is the Beatles' best album; but for some reason nearly 50 years down the road, "Doncha Bother Me" sounds better to me than anything from Revolver (or Sgt. Pepper for that matter) Yes, i see where you're coming from. Stylistically, the Stones brought something very different to what the Beatles could offer, and 'Doncha Bother Me' is a perfect example of that. It
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QuoteHavo Two of the TOP-Albums in 1966. My fav. stones-Album so far is stil Aftermath. I know, I know--many of you will say, that was Pop-music! Yeah--thats right.--but on high Level! same is Revolver from the Fab 4 . best beatles-album ever in their short carriere. I dont think that anybody of you will disagree!!?? 1966 is arguably the top year in popular music history. Not perhaps i
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QuoteStonesTod QuoteErik_Snow Way better than I imagined a couple of weeks ago, when reading they rehearsed it, this is a very fine version i've always suspected they could handle lightweight fare like this...similar to they way they did as tears go by...i mean if amateur guitarists like me can do it justice, you'd think a couple of professionals could, right? Way way better than the Stones
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'Rock And A Hard Place' for me, visually, and musically.
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Quotedrbryant I thought the guitars sounded pretty good, but Mick was having a little trouble staying on key last night. Nevertheless, nice to hear this little gem. I'm not sure about that. Surprisingly Jagger sounds little different to how he did in the sixties here. The backing is pretty good too. From what i've heard on several tracks, the Stones are playing a little more conscientiously th
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Quotewinter Quotekevinkamphuis Here's my MULTICAM video of Midnight Rambler (I edited out the 2 bum notes in the first solo Great job. In the pit, the guitar balance is a little better and you hear the rhythm underpinnings a bit more. Having MT so up in the P.A. mix was really the house engineer's problem, not Taylor's. He only asked to have the stage monitors on his side have more of hi
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Quotecarlorossi Quote71Tele Some great comments here. No doubt some people still prefer the safe Vegas-era Stones and are uncomfortable with Taylor's performance. Does he overplay at times? Yes. Is he a bit ragged in places? Yes. Was he nervous? Possibly. Did he want to make a statement? Definitely! Agree with your take, sort of. MR was one of the few songs that they've managed to NOT play lik
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QuoteCineplexed As a big MT fan, Its a dream to hear and see him on stage with them. But to be fair , he's rusty at best, as one might expect. Wish his played more regularly with them, he'd be a monster. Yes, Cineplexed, rusty at best is pretty much what i thought of Taylor's performance, although Taylor's contribution did still give the Stones that edge which has been pretty much missing fro
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When did the Stones become simply a thrashing band without any real musical sensitivity or subtelty? These new songs are dire in the extreme, and represent just how much the group have regressed, even from the days of STEEL WHEELS and VOODOO LOUNGE. Even 'Mixed Emotions' sounds like it's bordering on masterpiece standard compared with these songs. 'Doom And Gloom' and 'One More Shot' lack the Sto
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Yes Dandelion, 'Miss You', 'Beast Of Burden', 'Before They Make Me Run', 'Far Away Eyes' and 'Some Girls' are not punk songs stylistically, but the point i was trying to make is that they do share in common with punk the desire to strip the sound back to basics, which i'm not sure the Stones would have done necessarily at that time if punk hadn't come along with that more musically spontaneous ap
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