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Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: trainarollin ()
Date: August 6, 2008 06:30

There's an ton of Rolling Stones guitar picks on Ebay, etc. Some have the logo with and without years. Some say A Bigger Bang and the reverse on some have band member names, even saw one with Charlie Watts name imprinted.

Does anyone know if the band had a bunch of configurations made for cheap handouts along with stage use or are there a lot in circualtion that are just fan made creations from someone with access to a manufacturer?

Just curious if anyone out there has a guide to their tour picks from the past couple tours?

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: August 6, 2008 08:02

Unless you caught yourself... buyer beware ....

It is too easy to make fakes & sell them on ebay to suckers.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2008-08-07 08:00 by schillid.

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 6, 2008 11:24

I answered a similar question on Shidoobee and also here on IORR (but I couldn't find that thread). Here is what I said on Shidoobeee...

"Several people have asked me about picks so I thought I would start a thread for all to read. Pick collecting has become very popular indeed which means rare ones can command high prices. A superbowl pick easily fetching $250+ and one from a Beacon show with the release of "Shine A Light" perhaps even more. Just like posters and autographs where the cost of production is far less than the value many reproductions appear on the market so please beware! Some sellers are totally dishonest and will tell you they are real but others are more crafty and will tell you they are "Promo" or "Commemrative" picks (i.e. they are not actually the real thing used or as used by the band). Below you can see some picks from the last tour. The generic named ones are probably the most commonly faked. If you look carefully you will notice the writing on the real ones below is slightly different to the repro ones commonly seen online."

I have many picks available for trade so please just shoot me an email if you are interested in pick collecting: mattleeuk@gmail.com

Some recent individual picks:



A selection of city dated picks from 2006 (They only did them in this year and I have yet to see a reproduction one):



A selection of mainly older picks:


Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: JumpingKentFlash ()
Date: August 6, 2008 11:32

I wish I had caught the pick Keith threw at me in Horsens. sad smileysad smileysad smiley

JumpingKentFlash

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: 61' telecaster ()
Date: August 6, 2008 15:05

Where to get those from cancelled European shows in 2006 and what's on flipside?

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: Beast ()
Date: August 6, 2008 15:47

I have a pick Keith gave me at the rescheduled Atlantic City show on 17 November 2006 - but it has the original date of the show on it (27 October 2006). It's definitely special to me, but does the wrong date make it more "special" from a collector's point of view? Just curious.

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 6, 2008 18:46

Beast, the value of the pick depends on the exclusivity / importance of the show, the popularity of the city etc.... One of NYC is always going to fetch more than one for Atlanta for example.

They didn't bother reprinting the picks for the last minute changed dates. They would have been made up too long in advance. I don't know how many were done for each night but it can't be more than about 200.

There were clearly there were few enough of each that there was not enough for use some nights. On at least two occasions I caught picks with alternate cities on them. At the legendary show performed for a well healed crowd in Barcelona I caught a Seattle pick for example! I have never seen a pick for that Barcelona show and don't think they were made for it. Not every show had one.

Giants Stadium was the only one to feature different font and St.Louis has ones with and without a date. Also Montreal doesn't feature the date (at least on the one I have).

I have a few more since the photograph taken above but am still a few short of a set. Anyone with any picks to trade please get in touch.

Thanks Matt (mattleeuk@gmail.com)

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: August 6, 2008 18:53

Where do you get all these picks?
Do you personally get all these picks yourself at shows?

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 6, 2008 19:30

schillid, The same place I get everything else. Yes, I get much stuff in person (I went to 34 shows on Bigger Bang and also have some good friends). I then trade for the stuff I don't have. It is one hell of a lot of work but I just love collecting, it's a disease or at least an addiction. My favourite collecting genres can be summerised by stuff that was never for sale. i.e. Promo & concert posters, press kits, passes, promo LP's and CD's, promo items, autographs etc...

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: August 6, 2008 19:32

Quote
mattleeuk
I just love collecting...

I'm guessing NOT ebay though. Am I correct?

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 6, 2008 19:43

Some genuine dated ones have turned up on eBay but relatively rarely. Let's just say it isn't my preferred source. I haven't had to buy picks on eBay but I do buy other stuff. I will buy good stuff from anywhere, you just have to know what is good and what is bad!

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: August 6, 2008 19:58

There's a collectors store in Hollywood that sells guitar picks...a lot of Stones ones...for $20 each...how do I know if they're real??

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 6, 2008 20:22

$20 sounds too cheap for real ones (If they are real I will buy them all!). There are many commemerative ones that feature a wide range of artwork. None of these are real.

The text on the fake ones isn't exactly the same. Look at the text on the ones on the brown card above. On the fake personality ones the text is slightly different.

Typically generic ones are $40+ each and date ones $80+ (up to $300 odd for the really rare ones). Rockaway records in LA (silverlake) have a good selection of real picks including many Stones ones.

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: LOGIE ()
Date: August 6, 2008 21:22

I caught one from Chuck (what does he need one for?) at the last O2 Arena gig!

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: DoughboyUK ()
Date: August 6, 2008 21:39

Hey all,
long time since i been on here but this thread interested me and i have a follow on question \ observation....

so picks are common to dish out \ collect as we know...
but what about the used strings?....

as battered as they may be, id love to restring my fender or LP sunburst with strings "used and abused by keef or ronnie" especially from a show?...
What happens to these things as im sure they must use a new set every show per instrument?
they would probably be in reasonable nick after a 2 hour show but, its just the pleasure of knowing you are playing the same strings that rocked a stadium that would give me a kick....

Doughie

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 6, 2008 21:56

Strings are actually really hard to get hold of as you have to be on the inside (i.e. they never throw them to the crowd!). Keith's strings do actually come in custom packets which are cool!

Drum skins are even harder as when Charlie approves a head he tends to play it until it breaks which can be a long time! Charlie has used the same kit since 1972 (for the Stones). Charlie's Cymbals are also killer rare, he only changes them when they split which can take decades!

Below you can see a Charlie drum skin (used on VL along with some other VL stuff) and Charlie cymbal.




Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: August 6, 2008 22:07

I hate you mattleeuk smileys with beer

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: August 6, 2008 22:11

Quote
mattleeuk
Charlie's Cymbals are also killer rare, he only changes them when they split...

I'd imagine you need to be extra careful when trying to catch one of those cymbals as it whizzes into the audience... winking smiley

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: trainarollin ()
Date: August 6, 2008 22:26

The only used strings I have is a complete set of Buddy Guy's. I was in a room where his tech was changing his strings on his polkadotted strat. He kindly wrapped up all 6 strings like they were new and put them in the trash. That was the only time I ever went through a trash can to get something signifigant. Now, if I would ever try to sell them, good luck convincing someone. They will end up in a shadow box dislay with other Buddy memoribilia of mine.

I have one of his polkadotted guitar straps and he signed that for me and gave me some of his guitar picks. He has a lot of different ones. One said "As Seen on Ebay" and Buddy's signature on the flip side.

An odd situation came up a few years back when he was to be picked up at a local hotel for his show and I was asked to ride shotgun. Kind of quiet, but very kind.

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: timbernardis ()
Date: August 6, 2008 23:31

I think it fairly easy to tell the real from the fake picks. As Matt, said,
"The text on the fake ones isn't exactly the same. Look at the text on the ones on the brown card above. On the fake personality ones the text is slightly different."

Also, often the colour of the tongue is kinda orange, not just pure red.

However, I do not agreee that "others are more crafty and will tell you they are "Promo" or "Commemrative" picks" -- when they say that, they are clearly telling u that these ones are not real ones made for or used by the band -- I think that is being upfront about what they are.

Matt alsos says "Typically generic ones are $40+ each and date ones $80+ (up to $300 odd for the really rare ones)."

Some generic ones go for less than that, even those with the individual band members names on them as you saw above. And a few of the date ones can be had for less than 80. I know, I have done this.

But generally Matt is accurate about his statements and there is no more guaranteed authentic source of Stones items, picks and everything, than Matt. And of course he has a great price on his Ronnie art prints.

And I have never seen a repro of the city picks from 06. The big cities, well known cities command higher prices.

I am still looking for: Missoula [Montana] Oct 4 06 but as best I can tell, they never made one for that show though they did for other small cities/shows such as Nampa, Idaho and Regina. Pisses me off. Maybe I will make my own, lol.

And, I have heard that actual authentic Charlie ones were made, but I have only ever seen fakes online (ebay).

I am also looking for Oakland Nov 06 and Vancouver Nov 06 (the latter was one of those rescheduled shows so has a wrong date, not sure about Oakland).

more later


plexi

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: August 6, 2008 23:39

I have a pick from KR (on first-hand authority) from the tour bus that was parked next to St. Marks Bar & Grill when they shot WOAF video. Given to me by someone who had been on the bus with the Stones.

The pick is kinda odd... it's RED with and embossed number "1" in a circle in the center. No other logos or writing. It is thinner than I expected KR to use. And the edge felt rough not smooth...

I'll look for it & post a scan later...

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: Smokey ()
Date: August 7, 2008 00:18

Quote
schillid
perhaps you'd also be interested in a Mick Taylor action figure!

So you are now seriously offering your earlier creation?

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 7, 2008 01:53

Tim, I don't disagree with you, I just think sometimes some sellers aren't clear enough. "Promo" in my language means produced by the band or record company for promotional use (not by an enterprising eBay seller). "Commemorative" is probably a more accurate description although potentially still misleading. They usually never state that they are "unofficial" commemorative or promo items which I believe does lead to confusion.

As a hard core collector and experienced autograph hunter (I spent upto 3 nights a week on the streets of London in 2000/20001 and collected 100's of Stones autographs) I dread the question, "I bought these autographs on eBay, they came with a COA, what do you think?". I have almost never seen a set that I would judge to be real from a story that started like that (look how consistent the ones in the collection of VL stuff above are).

You have to remember Tim, compared to most people you are an experienced memorabilia buyer and you research what you are buying. I just think that at least 1 fan would log on, be excited to find a "promo" guitar pick and buy it believing it to be real. I know for sure 1 fan that proudly showed me a "promo" one they had bought believing it to be real. That is 1 too many in my opinion. To be fair to many of the sellers, I don't think many of them either know or understand the difference themselves.

You have probably seen the white Keith Richards / Ronnie Wood posters all over eBay every week. Up to about 5 years ago these were always advertised as "original". I once questioned the seller about them and he confirmed "absolutely yes, they are 100% original..... I was there that night and took one down and went straight to kinkos and had them print a whole stack on exactly the same paper". I never managed to make him understand that that wasn't "original".

As long as people are clear, fans can make their own decision as to what they like and what gives them pleasure. Whatever you collect, enjoy it!

As Tim kindly points out; with the special IORR discount fans can access the full range of Ronnie and Sebastian Kruger's art at a 15% saving through me. Please just remember to tell me your are from IORR. Just email me with any questions.

I am always happy to meet other collectors so just drop me a line at mattleeuk@gmail.com if collecting is your thing :-)

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: little queenie ()
Date: August 7, 2008 05:44

for me, they're only special and of interest to me because i got them myself at a show. even more special if one of the bandmembers intended them for me. my keith pics are more valuable to me than my ronnie ones - even the one that caused a fight in austin between ronnie and a security guard who refused to give it to me.

i have actually lost a darryl jones one from the LA forum, '06? i'm disappointed but not super-bummed. should i be?

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: Justin ()
Date: August 7, 2008 05:53

Darryl threw a pick at me but it fell to the ground. The security guard saw it and then kicked the pick under the stage.

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: Happy24 ()
Date: August 7, 2008 10:06

Mattleeuk, I am impressed! My dream is to catch one pick from Keef. It seems impossible and yet, it looks like everyone has caught some already. Except of me...

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: JumpingKentFlash ()
Date: August 7, 2008 13:15

Quote
mattleeuk
Tim, I don't disagree with you, I just think sometimes some sellers aren't clear enough. "Promo" in my language means produced by the band or record company for promotional use (not by an enterprising eBay seller). "Commemorative" is probably a more accurate description although potentially still misleading. They usually never state that they are "unofficial" commemorative or promo items which I believe does lead to confusion.

As a hard core collector and experienced autograph hunter (I spent upto 3 nights a week on the streets of London in 2000/20001 and collected 100's of Stones autographs) I dread the question, "I bought these autographs on eBay, they came with a COA, what do you think?". I have almost never seen a set that I would judge to be real from a story that started like that (look how consistent the ones in the collection of VL stuff above are).

You have to remember Tim, compared to most people you are an experienced memorabilia buyer and you research what you are buying. I just think that at least 1 fan would log on, be excited to find a "promo" guitar pick and buy it believing it to be real. I know for sure 1 fan that proudly showed me a "promo" one they had bought believing it to be real. That is 1 too many in my opinion. To be fair to many of the sellers, I don't think many of them either know or understand the difference themselves.

You have probably seen the white Keith Richards / Ronnie Wood posters all over eBay every week. Up to about 5 years ago these were always advertised as "original". I once questioned the seller about them and he confirmed "absolutely yes, they are 100% original..... I was there that night and took one down and went straight to kinkos and had them print a whole stack on exactly the same paper". I never managed to make him understand that that wasn't "original".

As long as people are clear, fans can make their own decision as to what they like and what gives them pleasure. Whatever you collect, enjoy it!

As Tim kindly points out; with the special IORR discount fans can access the full range of Ronnie and Sebastian Kruger's art at a 15% saving through me. Please just remember to tell me your are from IORR. Just email me with any questions.

I am always happy to meet other collectors so just drop me a line at mattleeuk@gmail.com if collecting is your thing :-)


Do you sell stuff? I'm willing to pay 100 bucks for an authentic Horsens 2006 pick.

JumpingKentFlash

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: mattleeuk ()
Date: August 7, 2008 18:40

JumpingKentFlash,

Trading for money is fine as I always need money to buy more stuff :-)

I am afraid I don't have a spare Horsens pick. My list of spare picks from Bigger Bang is below:

City Date
Mick Jagger NA
Keith Richards NA
Ronnie Wood NA
Euro Tongue NA
New York City 01/20/06
Omaha 01/29/06
Baltimore 02/01/06
Atlanta 02//08/06
Las Vegas 03/04/06
Los Angeles 03/06/06
Little Rock 03/09/06
Ft. Lauderdale 03/12/06
New York 03/14/06
Tokyo 03/22/06
Tokyo 03/24/06
Sapporo 03/29/06
Saitama 04/02/06
Shanghai 04/08/06
Sydney 04/11/06
Auckland 04/16/06
Wellington 04/18/06
Vienna 06/20/06
Athens 06/25/06
Belgrade 07/07/06
Milan 07/11/06
Munich 07/16/06
Hanover 07/19/06
Berlin 07/21/06
Cologne 07/23/06
Paris 07/28/06
Amsterdam 07/30/06
Stuttgart 08/03/06
Zurich 08/05/06
Nice 08/08/06
Porto 08/12/06
Valladolid 08/14/06
El Ejido 08/16/06
London 08/20/06
London 08/22/06
Glasgow 08/25/06
Sheffield 08/27/06
Cardiff 08/29/06
Giant Stadium 09/27/06
Chicago 10/11/06
Las Vegas 11/11/06
Nampa 11/14/06
Seattle 10/17/06
Atlantic City 10/27/06
New York 10/31//06
Los Angeles 11/18/06
Glendale 11/08/06

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: stone-relics ()
Date: August 7, 2008 18:53

Hey, Matthew...how'd you get the Bal-mer ones? I got one at the show, but havent seen any others floating around. How many extras Balmer's do you have?

JR

Re: Guitar Pick Question
Posted by: schillid ()
Date: August 7, 2008 19:34



This is the pick I was referring to before...

It was given to me by my buddy from art school, who had staggered my imagination after we both ended up in NYC in the Eighties...
First he became assistant to a well-known photographer who was selected to shoot the Stones...
Then my friend called me one day to tell me that the Stones are in your neighborhood (East Village) shooting a video and get over here NOW!

I feel like the boy who cried wolf here... cause half the time here I'm kidding around (like the fake Brian Jones pick or the fake MT action figure)...
but as you must realize, the other half of the time, I am not kidding around (Attic thread, e.g.).

The pick is quite ordinary looking. Its edge feels surprising rough and it is much thinner than I expect Keith would have been using.

I should have posted a scan of this a while ago... with all those other pictures.
(The roach is long gone... )



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2008-08-07 19:34 by schillid.

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