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gotdablouse
Well for one they'll lose something to trade if they need arises, then they'll certainly be frowned on by other members of the "trading circle".
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gotdablouse
On the other hand you have people who record live shows with some risk (getting caught and thrown out).
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gotdablouse
PS - sharing can come in various forms so let's raise our glass to FA, NZ and ME who share their knownledge in books/websites and without hom we wouldn't be able to sort through the material that's been made available so far and the material that is yet to come.
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blakeeik
It’s evident and obvious that some people may have some rare, cool sounding stuff not even known to most collectors.
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dcba
I think you have two cases : insiders and outsiders
Conclusion : in the age of non-profit trading aka "sharing" we won't get anything new apart from audience recordings of contemporary shows, usually posted the day after the gig took place.
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Munichhilton
Try crowd funding...I'm in for $40...
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Munichhilton
Try crowd funding...I'm in for $40...
an option, but wouldn't the amount depend on what is for sale?
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JMARKO
. Sworn to secrecy. Some people may have received material under the condition ‘never to share’ it. The problem with these arrangements is that ‘never’ is not a reasonable timeframe, and the source doesn’t update the conditions after they lose the desire to be exclusive.
Your points are good, but you are leaving out one aspect involved in the one I have selected above:
Some people receive/trade material (and I am referring to outtakes or professionally recorded SB or film/video) under the condition not to share/trade it unless it is for something of equal 'value' - meaning rarity. Anything I have been fortunate enough to come across that is uncirculated remains that way unless I am offered something I can then offer back to my original source, and from a source I am fairly certain will not turn around and 'liberate' that material. That would ruin my relationship, and my word.
Some people may find that silly or pompous, but you also have to understand that in a circle of people that includes many thieves and self-interested folks, one 'currency' that is respected is that of keeping your word. Most people who establish relationships within these circles are well aware that if you burn someone or violate their trust you are pretty much guaranteed to not have access to anything else again. Some people don't care about that and are too self-absorbed to care about a relationship like that over the ego rush of being the one to liberate something or make a fast, and usually minimal, buck.
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frankotero
I can imagine the treasures that have been lost throughout history. In the end there's nothing anybody can do, it's the way some of us are wired and we can't change that. My thought is try to let it go, sometimes that's hard for me to do myself.
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JMARKO
Some people receive/trade material (and I am referring to outtakes or professionally recorded SB or film/video) under the condition not to share/trade it unless it is for something of equal 'value' - meaning rarity. Anything I have been fortunate enough to come across that is uncirculated remains that way unless I am offered something I can then offer back to my original source, and from a source I am fairly certain will not turn around and 'liberate' that material. That would ruin my relationship, and my word.
Some people may find that silly or pompous, but you also have to understand that in a circle of people that includes many thieves and self-interested folks, one 'currency' that is respected is that of keeping your word. Most people who establish relationships within these circles are well aware that if you burn someone or violate their trust you are pretty much guaranteed to not have access to anything else again. Some people don't care about that and are too self-absorbed to care about a relationship like that over the ego rush of being the one to liberate something or make a fast, and usually minimal, buck.
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blakeeik
Absolutely. Many of us have come across a similar situation. This thread is looking for alternatives to keeping them unsurfaced. How can you offer to share something if not advertised? I am not saying (in the least bit) to post it for all - but how to keep it alive within a circle of people willing to sacrifice something in return? Ideas?
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coowouters
While I was an admin on "Rollingstonesboots" (I guess I still am, but since trees and the like are something from the past, there isn't going on much anymore) out of the blue, a member asked me if I was interested to get his recordings of two previously unreleased shows.
Can't remember which ones they were, but they had never been in the open or bootlegged.
Less than a month later, those two titles were released by a major bootleg label.....
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coowouters
The problem is of course to find some people you can absolutely trust.......
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coowouters
The problem is of course to find some people you can absolutely trust.......
Difficult, true, but if I lowered the standard to "absolutely trust" to "adequately trust" I could name people from this forum alone just based on the kind of posts they make.