the sondboard on pittsburg july 72 is muddy soundboard

& the brussel oct 17 1973 2:nd ,is also muddy soundboard..

i tryed to make better sound on these,,

and the phoenix nov 11 1969,, good quality but a lot of distorion,

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Edmonton-97 should be next after this,as it is ex show and a very long one.

This show's gonna take some work. It has different sources within VGP-206 "Canada Dry". There's a mix that sounds like it's from the stage monitor -- "Satisfaction" or "IORR" for example -- then there's an over-loaded compressed mix that sounds like a broadcast -- for example "Let's Spend The Night... -- then there's a muffled mix that sounds like a slightly warped tape -- "Gimme Shelter". Plus the sources and/or sound quality changes in the middle of a song (listen to "Rock And A Hard Place".

I'm putting this one on the back-burner. This shit's supposed to be fun & this show seems more like a pain in the ass. It's never going to sound even, although there's room for improvement.

"Problem" might be this,as you might know,its taken from PRO SHOT video,but back then it was still VHS era,so is it possible that all the extra noise underneath all comes from tape and because VGP has done their own equalizing back then.
Today i´m gettin more those cd´s i use for remastering,if you want i will fix Edmonton,post it here,then you work the rest?
This would take some extra work from your shoulders....

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the sondboard on pittsburg july 72 is muddy soundboard...

I can deal with "muddy", as long as it's even. I just have a limited portion of time to devote (with work) and when a show is as uneven as this Edmonton, it takes me a long time to get it done.

Marko, I'd appreciate any help you can provide with respect to this show. It's definitely worth remastering, as the performance is spot-on. I have 2 different mixes of the show sitting on my HD now, and I'm not crazy about either of them.

I did a prep version of the source before mastering but it still came out all jacked up. So if you're able to level off the source, that'd be a BIG help!

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...it possible that all the extra noise underneath all comes from tape and because VGP has done their own equalizing back then

You're right about the noise presence. Normally it can be eliminated using a dithering filter, which puts out a noise frequency of it's own and cancels out other noises in the process. But so far, I can't get rid of the noise using dither. Here's what I get:

Bitch - Edmonton 10-2-97 remix1

You can hear how it brings up the noise along with the rest of the sound, which to me is unacceptable. So if we can improve the VHS-sounding source, I think we can get this show right.

1997.10.02 Edmonton Remaster (disc 1)


This is disc 1 of the Edmonton remaster I've been working on. This is a temporary post, as I'll upload FLACs of the completed show later. I'm kind of using IORR as a beta group here. Each of these tracks has been mastered seperately, using different settings, and it's gotten to the point where I'm having trouble determining which ones work best. So if I can get these tracks out to some listeners and hopefully get some feedback, then I can make better adjustments and finish the show.

It's already been said, but the source [VGP 206] contains drastically different sound quality throughout. Some of the songs had volume overloads and distortions that couldn't be removed... The 1st 2 songs have only one guitar coming through... I've tracked these things as best I can. But still let me know of anything you hear/detect if you want to help me with this project.
Thanks!

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-Laughingsam



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After cursory listens, Gimme Shelter sound best to me.

I,m a little bit confused - is,nt that the same show as "Canada Dry"?
Canada Dry is not that bad! Is the another sourse?

cheers
Bo



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It is "Canada Dry". All the posts here are sourced from existing releases. I usually put the release in parenthesis (VGP, Dandelion, etc), sorry for the confusion. If you're looking for original sources, check Marko's posts. What I'm trying to do -- and what I've been able to do with some other shows -- is apply digital sound processing using mastering software (i.e. Izotope, Sound Solution, Goldwave, etc.) to get a better sound. Some of these bootlegs we share here were mastered years ago, using methods that have since been supplanted by newer and better ones. Some of them were released without enough mastering, some with too much, whatever the case, there's often room for improvement.

You're right, "Canada Dry" isn't that bad. it is after all, a SBD. But I think it can sound better.

I try to work Edmonton during weekend,problem is i have about 300 cd´s on my PC and they all are not remastered,there zeppelin,young,pink floyd,aerosmith,page&plant and black sabbath,,,and few rainbow bootlegs as well.I just don´t know where to start!

I hear you. If time is in demand for you, I recommend staying away from Edmonton. Use your time on other shows. I'm pretty close to finishing my version of it.

Enjoy your weekend.

ok,thats good to know! i can do it later!

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It is "Canada Dry". All the posts here are sourced from existing releases. I usually put the release in parenthesis (VGP, Dandelion, etc), sorry for the confusion. If you're looking for original sources, check Marko's posts. What I'm trying to do -- and what I've been able to do with some other shows -- is apply digital sound processing using mastering software (i.e. Izotope, Sound Solution, Goldwave, etc.) to get a better sound. Some of these bootlegs we share here were mastered years ago, using methods that have since been supplanted by newer and better ones. Some of them were released without enough mastering, some with too much, whatever the case, there's often room for improvement.

You're right, "Canada Dry" isn't that bad. it is after all, a SBD. But I think it can sound better.

Thanx for your reply. I dont think I understand all you,re saying - but you,r the expert!!
cheers
Bo

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I hear you. If time is in demand for you, I recommend staying away from Edmonton. Use your time on other shows. I'm pretty close to finishing my version of it.

Enjoy your weekend.

Btw,would you try to work Paris-1970 and Pittsburgh-72 as those i have allready remastered?

I have a Paris remaster on my HD. I can use an upgrade for the last 2 tracks though. Where can I find your version of it?

Here,now


Paris 22.9.1970:[www.megaupload.com]

Pittsburgh 22.7.1972:[www.megaupload.com]

about paris 70 ,,the soundboard part only 23 sept 70 time 4:05 and then fade out,''should be together with the other part, nice idea ???

good work ! on paris..

is it,i don´t remember much of it...i remastered it about 10 years ago.Pittsburgh i did last summer.

But think,theres still room for improvement on both.

BTW i fixed today New Orleans-1994 show,i will upload it tomorrow!

[www.sendspace.com]

P 22.7.BS mix aud & sb.flac


listen to this i did a mix of audience & soundboard pittburg 72,,brown sugar

i

1997.10.02 Commonwealth Stadium, Edmonton, Canada
"Canada Dry" (VGP-206) [DSP Remaster]
FLAC FORMAT






DISC ONE:

01 Intro 1:55
02 Satisfaction 5:12
03 It's Only Rock n Roll 4:38
04 Bitch 4:44
05 Let's Spend The Night Together 4:47
06 Rock And A Hard Place 5:57
07 Sister Morphine 7:02
08 Anybody Seen My Baby 5:21
09 19th Nervous Breakdown 5:23
10 Out Of Control 9:06
11 Gimme Shelter 7:32
12 Miss You 7:58
13 Band Introductions 4:33

DISC TWO:

01 All About You 5:45
02 I wanna Hold You 6:25
03 Little Queenie 4:36
04 Crazy Mama 4:57
05 The Last Time 5:10
06 Sympathy For The Devil 7:21
07 Tumbling Dice 4:51
08 You Got Me Rocking 3:34
09 Honky Tonk Women 4:28
10 Start Me Up 4:18
11 Jumping Jack Flash 7:21
12 You Can't Always Get What You Want 5:43
13 Brown Sugar 10:29
14 Crazy Mama (alt. mix) 4:57

Remastered with (1) Goldwave 5.58 + (2) Stereo Tool 6.0 + (3) Izotope Ozone 4
"Crazy Mama" alternate mix done with Sound Solution 1.31

Such a great show, I wish I could've done it more justice, but this is an

improvement of the source, which is the goal of these remasters.

1997.10.02 Edmonton [DSP Remaster]

Original artwork here -> download

-Laughingsam
27MAR2011

Marko, is the "Sweet Virginia" on your Pittsburgh remaster really from Pittsburgh? And if so, do you know of it being from a different source or anything? The levels on that track are very different from the rest of the show.

"Sweet Virginia from fort worth

Thanx for "Canada Dry". I think you did a great job! I agre that it is,nt a 110 %, but you got a really, really GREAT stadium-sound - its sooo cool!!

cheers
Bo



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i normally hesitate to get 'remasterings' but, what you have done Laughing Sam is wonderfull, thanks a lot , keep up the good work !!

Canada dry sounds realy great, thanks

2003.02.27 Rod Laver Arena, Melbourne, AUS
Sourced from Keessie's post
FLAC FORMAT





DISC ONE:

01 Street Fighting Man (4:49)
02 Start Me Up (4:28)
03 You Got Me Rocking (4:00)
04 Don't Stop (5:29)
05 Monkey Man (4:40)
06 Ruby Tuesday (4:00)
07 You Can't Always Get What You Want (7:30)
08 Midnight Rambler (11:09)
09 Tumbling Dice (5:05)
10 Introductions (3:21)
11 Thru And Thru (6:40)

DISC TWO:

01 Happy (4:06)
02 Sypathy For The Devil (6:58)
03 Gimme Shelter (7:02)
04 Honky Tonk Women (4:34)
05 Jumping Jack Flash (7:18)
06 Mannish Boy (5:19)
07 It's Only Rock n Roll (4:43)
08 Brown Sugar (5:19)
09 Satisfaction (6:53)

Notes:
This mix -- originally labeled "5.1 surround mix" is in fact, merely stereo.

Disc 1 of the source has a clearer, more up-front sound...maybe even too shrill for some.

The Source file for "You Got Me Rocking" had digital noise @ 1:21.

Mastered with Sound Solution 1.31, Goldwave 5.58, and Izotope Ozone 4

download here -> 2003.02.27 Melbourne (5.1 Remix)

artwork here -> 2003.02.27 Melbourne artwork

-Laughingsam
07APR2011



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1972.07.22 Pittsburgh, PA, USA
DSP mix of Marko's Remaster
FLAC FORMAT





01 Brown Sugar (3:33)
02 Bitch (4:38)
03 Rocks Off (3:47)
04 Gimme Shelter (5:09)
05 Happy (3:18)
06 Tumbling Dice (4:38)
07 Love In Vain (5:49)
08 Sweet Virginia (4:57)
09 You Can't Always Get What You Want (8:05)
10 All Down The Line (4:01)
11 Midnight Rambler (10:26)
12 Band Introductions (:49)
13 Bye Bye Johnny (3:14)
14 Rip This Joint (2:18)
15 Jumping Jack Flash (3:23)
16 Street Fighting Man (4:27) *


notes:
* SFM originally faded out @ 1:27. Patched with SFM from "Decca Unreleased LP" -- sacrelige, I know :-) but a tape cut is such a jarring way to end this great show.

Minor volume adjustments were done in Goldwave to the source prior to final mastering.

Big thanks to Marko, who supplied an expertly EQ'd source.

Izotope Ozone v1 was used to add ambience and width

Sound Solution v1.31 was used for multiband processing and to even out the levels (there were a number of drop outs).

final edits done in Goldwave v5.58.

download here -> 1972.07.22 Pittsburgh [DSP Mix]

artwork here -> 1972.07.22 Pittsburgh artwork

-Laughingsam
08APR2011

Thanks Laughingsam! Your Pittsburg work is nothing short of sensational! What other shows do have in the pipeline?



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Thanks Laughingsam! Your Pittsburg work is nothing short of sensational! What other shows do have in the pipeline?

agree ! good work,