>Rod should include some solo material to go with the Faces in concert.


Ack, I hope not!

i remain cautiously pessimistic

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>Rod should include some solo material to go with the Faces in concert.


Ack, I hope not!

Why not?...How about throwing in some early material from Every Picture Tells A Story?...Don't think it will hurt ticket sales.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

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i remain cautiously pessimistic

I thought you remained pessimisticly cautious.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

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i remain cautiously pessimistic

I thought you remained pessimisticly cautious.

that was last week; i've recovered my senses. i'll give you an update in a week - i know you care.

>Why not?

I wouldn't want to see the Faces do Rod Stewart solo material any more than I'd want to see the Stones play "Let's Work". Just opening that door invites such awful scenarios... "Hey Ronnie, you can play 'Hot Legs' right?" Gag.

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i remain cautiously pessimistic

I thought you remained pessimisticly cautious.

that was last week; i've recovered my senses. i'll give you an update in a week - i know you care.

Truly,deeply,madly

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

I don't mind the Faces doing Rod as long as it is just the stuff they played on, like on Rods Every Picture Tells a Story, doing things Like Im Losing You (which the Faces do on the BBC), and Every Picture Tells a Story. But I wouldn't want more than one or two! The Faces have way too many of their own I would want to hear. Having said that! I am still having a hard time thinking of the faces doing anything as the Faces without Ronnie Lane, and I know they did after he left, but they were a shadow of their former selves on their last tour.

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>Rod should include some solo material to go with the Faces in concert.


Ack, I hope not!

Rod played solo material with the faces in '72 & 73

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I think this "50th anniversary" tag is a bit pie in the sky to be honest. I doubt the Stones have thought about it much. I'd be amazed if they're still able to tour for any length of time by then anyway.

True. I think they have never been into counting the years - and if I remember right, there is no consensus between them when did they actually started. At least Jagger once was very critical for determining the exact date when they really started to exist.. I think he speculated with the first gig, when Charlie joined, having the record deal, the first record or even first television performance... I think, taking the nature of IN ACCORDING TO THE ROLLING STONES into account, they could claim that The Stones was founded when Mick and Keith met in Dartford railway station or formed Little Boy Blue and The Blues Boys, or when they composed their first song together...

I any case, we should expect the 50th anniversies to begin around 2011 - was that true more or less with 40 LICKS too?

- Doxa



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This is great news....The Faces are my second favorite band. I will be there.

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I think this "50th anniversary" tag is a bit pie in the sky to be honest. I doubt the Stones have thought about it much. I'd be amazed if they're still able to tour for any length of time by then anyway.

True. I think they have never been into counting the years - and if I remember right, there is no consensus between them when did they actually started. At least Jagger once was very critical for determining the exact date when they really started to exist.. I think he speculated with the first gig, when Charlie joined, having the record deal, the first record or even first television performance... I think, taking the nature of IN ACCORDING TO THE ROLLING STONES into account, they could claim that The Stones was founded when Mick and Keith met in Dartford railway station or formed Little Boy Blue and The Blues Boys, or when they composed their first song together...

I any case, we should expect the 50th anniversies to begin around 2011 - was that true more or less with 40 LICKS too?

- Doxa

40 licks started in '02. 50th anniversary/farewell tour will run from 2010-12. You heard it here first.

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Well Rod and the boys had better have a new cd of new material. That will draw a crowd to the shows, I guess. I personally think it will sell good. Rod should include some solo material to go with the Faces in concert.

I haven't heard anything about new material. I don't think they need it. The Who managed to pull off at least six reunion tours without having any new material to play.

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I am very excited about this tour... At the same time I have to wonder about what the demand will be for tickets in the US...I could see it being pretty easy to get good tickets.. I also don't expect the front rows to be $400 or what have you.

A lot depends on how much they're willing to spend on advertising and on how cleverly that money gets spent. I think if you're a Rod fan, you've got to be there, and if you're a Stones fan, this is the only game in town right now. As far as price goes, Rod's tickets have always been expensive. These will be more expensive than that, probably much more expensive.

I tend to doubt that. The "Rod" name will help sell some tickets. The fact that Ronnie Wood a current and or ex-stone as the case may be is on the bill may sell some tickets...But honestly I think they will struggle to sell tickets in arenas. If they do play theatres or small arenas,they may be able to sell better. If they do play large arenas,what might help is the now popular idea of having a GA floor and reserved seats.

They've got to find a way to tempt the average classic rock fan, who is not even all that familiar with the Faces, to buy a ticket. They've got to hype it in the right way, which may just mean promoting it as something other than what it really is. They've got to sell it as a great 70s "Super Group" that featured Rod along various members of the Rolling Stones and The Who. I really don't see this as a small-scale theatre or small arena tour. They are in this to make as big a killing as they can, and they will play the largest arenas they can play.

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>Rod should include some solo material to go with the Faces in concert.


Ack, I hope not!

Rod played solo material with the faces in '72 & 73

Much of the audience for the reunion tour will be made up of not-too-well-informed Rod fans, and even less well-informed, casual classic rock fans. They are going to expect a show that is 50% recognizable solo Rod material from the early 70s, and I think that's what we're going to get.

They may suprise you.
None of the main participants need the money, even Rod can't be that obsessive about his pension.
Better to sell-out smaller venues than half fill larger ones.
I thnk Rod will include his newer solo material also,as a means of promoting that - a new album of new material is scheduled in the Spring I understand.

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They may suprise you.
None of the main participants need the money, even Rod can't be that obsessive about his pension.
Better to sell-out smaller venues than half fill larger ones.
I thnk Rod will include his newer solo material also,as a means of promoting that - a new album of new material is scheduled in the Spring I understand.

They don't NEED the money, but supposedly, one of the sticking points to getting this thing off the ground was that Ronnie WAS holding out for more cash! And if playing for 10,000 people in a 20,000 seat arena is more profitable than playing two sold out shows in a 5,000 seat theatre, then they will take the arena option, and simply use big black curtains to reconfigure the areana into "an intimate theatre setting" (and to make it look as if it's sold out when it's really only half-full).

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They may suprise you.
None of the main participants need the money, even Rod can't be that obsessive about his pension.
Better to sell-out smaller venues than half fill larger ones.
I thnk Rod will include his newer solo material also,as a means of promoting that - a new album of new material is scheduled in the Spring I understand.

They don't NEED the money, but supposedly, one of the sticking points to getting this thing off the ground was that Ronnie WAS holding out for more cash! And if playing for 10,000 people in a 20,000 seat arena is more profitable than playing two sold out shows in a 5,000 seat theatre, then they will take the arena option, and simply use big black curtains to reconfigure the areana into "an intimate theatre setting" (and to make it look as if it's sold out when it's really only half-full).

I believe Ian Maclagan does need the money.... He's touring a place in virginia in February that holds probably less than 200 people...

Well, Im not sure you can assume that Mac needs the money because of his venue choice.
He probably realizes what his pulling power is worth. And just enjoys playing live.
None of them should REALLY need the money - for goodness sake!!

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>Rod should include some solo material to go with the Faces in concert.


Ack, I hope not!

Rod played solo material with the faces in '72 & 73

Much of the audience for the reunion tour will be made up of not-too-well-informed Rod fans, and even less well-informed, casual classic rock fans. They are going to expect a show that is 50% recognizable solo Rod material from the early 70s, and I think that's what we're going to get.

All his solo albums up through Smiler had the Faces on them, so I think limiting it to that period would be fine.

Told you more than a year ago, that there wouldn't be any Stones tour in 2008. And I don't believe they'll tour in 2009.
The question is, will there any more tours? I doubt it very much. But would like it, if they still can make the game.

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I tend to doubt that. The "Rod" name will help sell some tickets. The fact that Ronnie Wood a current and or ex-stone as the case may be is on the bill may sell some tickets...But honestly I think they will struggle to sell tickets in arenas. If they do play theatres or small arenas,they may be able to sell better. If they do play large arenas,what might help is the now popular idea of having a GA floor and reserved seats.

I agree - even in the 80s, Rod was considered very uncool in rocker/cool guy circles. I had two friends who made it clear that they went to the stewart/beck show b/c of jeff beck -NOT rod. His disco was enough to turn many away long ago (i loved it - i was 11 when "do ya..." came out). I'd say they should shoot for large theaters.

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Well, Im not sure you can assume that Mac needs the money because of his venue choice.
He probably realizes what his pulling power is worth. And just enjoys playing live.
None of them should REALLY need the money - for goodness sake!!

why you think faces cds sell so much???

are you crazy?!

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Well, Im not sure you can assume that Mac needs the money because of his venue choice.
He probably realizes what his pulling power is worth. And just enjoys playing live.
None of them should REALLY need the money - for goodness sake!!

why you think faces cds sell so much???

are you crazy?!

We all starve at our own levels. Come on, we all know folks who make millions a year and are always on the brink of Bankruptcy, on the other hand I'm sure we all know people who do quite well on less than 100K.

Eric Burden said a few years back in an interview that he makes more money than he ever imagined now (compared to the Animal Days) by playing small clubs and free concerts in the park (Business sponsored). Until a year or 2 ago, he spent so much time on the road, there was no reason for him to own anything more than an inexpensive condo in Palm Desert.

Bottom line point is that by a person's performing habbits, you can't tell how financially sound they are. If someone came up to me and said, "We need about 3 months of your time, if you take package A you will make 5 million, Package B - 10 million, both with the same amount of work", I think it would be human nature to gravitate to the higher amount. I'm sure they will take the best offer they can get. Money will come from the tour itself, Live CD and DVD, T-shirts etc. and back catalogue sales (hopefully).

Boy, next year could be shaping up to be my biggest live show year for me in over 15 years. Faces, U2, AC/DC (again), Green Day, Springsteen, and maybe the Stones by the end of the year.

Boy, next year could be shaping up to be my biggest live show year for me in over 15 years. Faces, U2, AC/DC (again), Green Day, Springsteen, and maybe the Stones by the end of the year.


Good point Bluz...Be interesting to see how these bands do....I know Springsteen is getting some criticism for being too commercial with the Super Bowl and everything. But he's doing what he has to do to sell his product. Considering the bump Tom Petty got from his SUper Bowl appearance last year. Not a bad idea.

"It's just some friends of mine and they're busting down the door"

I agree that ian is probably doing allright but i'm sure he could use the money more than the other guys... he cannot be making much at all from the sales of faces cds.. they hardly sell all.wish they would but faces never sold thatmuch

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Mick's probably keeping a closer eye on the economy.

A reunited Faces sounds great. It could get Rod off auto-pilot and hopefully keep Ronnie out of trouble. (Now if he were touring with Faces circa 1972, that would be extremely troubling to hear.)

To keep Ronnie out of trouble... Hmm.. from outset it might not sound promising, namely if we consider that the essential part of mythical Faces was their constant drinking; the band was a nice excuse to keep a good bunch of drinking buddies together, and have a party every night... and Ronnie is nowadays an on/off rehab guy. And what would the totally straight Faces be like? The same band? Perhaps they could rename themselves... let me help them:

THE NEW FACES -> THE FACES -> THE SOBER FACES



- Doxa

I'm not certain that hanging out with the Faces is the best why to stay out of "trouble". Falling off the wagon into the arms of the Faces might be an interesting way to go... He's gonna be with the Boys, ya know?

It's not too unusual for blockbuster acts to advertise their upcoming shows in your city 6 months in advance these days...but reading this weeks Bay Guardian weekly in San Francisco today, I was quite surprised to see that this tiny little bar/club, The Red Devil Lounge, had an ad for Ian MacLagan & his Bump Band ...and get this...for a show on May 5,09 !!!...I have never seen a club advertise a show this far in advance...you can draw your own conclusions here...btw, The Red Devil Lounge is really small..the Yardbirds played there last year but it's really a venue that is cashing in on many acts that cannot get booked at the premiere clubs in SF....Peter

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I tend to doubt that. The "Rod" name will help sell some tickets. The fact that Ronnie Wood a current and or ex-stone as the case may be is on the bill may sell some tickets...But honestly I think they will struggle to sell tickets in arenas. If they do play theatres or small arenas,they may be able to sell better. If they do play large arenas,what might help is the now popular idea of having a GA floor and reserved seats.

I agree - even in the 80s, Rod was considered very uncool in rocker/cool guy circles. I had two friends who made it clear that they went to the stewart/beck show b/c of jeff beck -NOT rod. His disco was enough to turn many away long ago (i loved it - i was 11 when "do ya..." came out). I'd say they should shoot for large theaters.

Yeah, but even Rod becoming so uncool did not change the fact that the records he made in the early 70s are some of the best rock and roll ever made. At the very least, this tour can be promoted as Rod's long-awaited reunion with his old band from the peak years of his career, the guys that played on all of his best records. And if they play up the Stones and Who connections, then you have the SUPERGROUP angle, which can be a powerful ticket-selling tool. Neil Young may be bigger than CSN, but CSNY is bigger than Neil is by himself. In the same way, the Faces are potentially a much bigger deal than Rod is by himself.

The problem for the Faces touring in America, where I assume they WILL want to play, is that the average American classic rock fan either never heard of them, or thinks they were just Rod's backing band from the early days. Stay With Me was their ONLY hit in the United States, and most American classic rock fans don't know it's a Faces record. If the Faces US tour is going to make more money than any average Rod Stewart solo tour, their marketing team is going to have to make sure that American classic rock fans know that a Faces tour is a big deal, and these fans are going to have to be EDUCATED as to why this is so.



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