thanx oldkr for those two lines of explanation
I am amazed by the fact that you're amazed some will like this record
Shit happens, apparently

listen to it over some quality headphones

it actually, on second listening, sounds @#$%& good guys!
Charlie ESPECIALLY. oh his drumming is wonderful
Ronnie, as people have mentioned, is in there doing some nice interesting stuff
headphones seem to highlight the bass? mess about with the equalizer or something, it sounds nice

i dislike Chuck's over-enthusiastic plinking on JJF but hey ho
i could listen to the album just for Charlie to be fair

OKay, though now probably redundant and pointless, here are some of my impressions.

A good mix, strong and solid if not a little uneven here and there. The performance is also quote solid, and this makes for a overall better package than Live Licks, which was brilliant in places and just mediocre in others.

Some highlights for meL

JJFLash is a fine live version. Not as good as, say, Rio on Biggest Bang, but damn fine nonetheless. And I actually love Chuck's organ at the end. Nice job Chuck! (you won't hear me say that very often!)

Loving Cup I love. It's well-played and again I think Jack White does a stellar job.

She Was Hot - the only weak link is Mick. He sounds good, but seems like he wasn't 100% comfortable with it. And Keith, PLEASE learn a new solo! He sounds great but his licks are repetitive toward the end. Otherwise, Ronnie, Charlie and the back-up band are perfect.

Champagne and Reefer - Damn good! It speaks for itself, and is even better in the film.

Far Away Eyes - I am totally happy with his. Everybody gets their part just right!

Connection - Surprisingly good. Keith seems a little nervous with his vocal, but he doesn't screw it up.

Brown Sugar - much better than Live Licks. For one thing, there are new pointless EDITS, and Keith's guitar is loud and fierce.

Satisfaction - probably the best "officially released" live version. Mick is in top form, as is Charlie and Keith's new, nasty sound gives it new life.

Paint It Black - Again, better than Live Licks (or the dreadful Flashpoint version). The intensity is there and Mick and Charlie OWN this one!

Little T&A - Okay, I liked the Biggest Bang dvd version better overall, but this had it moments. First off, it started off kind of a mess (WAY too much piano), but in true Stones fashion, it smoked at the end. The nicest surprise? Darryl's little bass groove during the breakdown. I didn't notice this when I saw them do the song in Louisville, nor on the Austin dvd.


Okay, that's my 2 cents as they say. In fact, I already burned a 'perfect' post-2000 Stones live album using the highlights from this and Live Licks and the result is great. "Shine a Light" the soundtrack is not nearly as exciting as the movie, but it's a good companion and a very nice live album in its own right.

a lot of people have talked about Just My Imagination. I like it too. Charlie Watts and the Horn Section give it a nice Motown groove. Mick's ad libbing here and there fits in perfectly with the groove.



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What? JJF has been scrambled through for eons. I wish the band was stuck in 1969? HA! No - just play the damn song with some heart for once. Read: GOOD. It's the only good live recording. This one is better than any previous live album but barely. It's very ragged out, very rough. But it's still by the numbers asleep.

I guess since I think Monkey Man from Live Licks is so good I'm stuck in 2003-04. Oh wait, I mean the Stones are. Something. YAWN.

The album is okay, yet I expected a little more of it. Some of the warhorses have been performed much better than on this album, I like Paint it black though. I am not so content with the sound. A highlight is Champagne.. , only the Stones can perform a bluessong like that.Connection rocks! Christina sings very good on live with me. So I will enjoy the film next weekend!

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Keith is a huge letdown, but I have seen them 5 times last time around and I already know that his ability to play solos and rythm is very limited. Surprisingly, this doesn't affect his playing on SMU, BS or PIB - I guess those riffs are just in his blood.

I didn't even bother reviewing Keith's songs, and I'm not even going to comment.
I've done well since being unbanned so far! As far as Keith on the warhorses - maybe it's Blondie?

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Listening to it right now...well it´s a 50/50 feeling at the moment.

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I didn't even bother reviewing Keith's songs, and I'm not even going to comment.
I've done well since being unbanned so far! As far as Keith on the warhorses - maybe it's Blondie?

It is statement like this that makes me wonder what you're doing in a fan site
I mean this is not fair hard even harsh criticism it is just venomous speculation (and i am not saying that blondie does not play guitar, which is by the way not a specialty of the stones, REM do the same on some songs for example)

if i thought that the lead guitarist of my fav band just do a playback air guitar

well that will not be my fav band anymore i will not be a fan of that band anyomore i will not even bother reviewing much anything on a fan site

and the speculation comes form a truth - KR playing bad to worse on SAL - which has not a consensus at all. In fact I think he plays some good stuff. And ah, yes forgot to mention, it is not as it were in 1973... good lord



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>> that makes me wonder what you're doing in a fan site <<

maumau, jamesfdoglas's other screen name before he was banned was Jaggerfan -
maybe that'll help you understand the mindset.
and/or maybe someone has the url of the Mick Jagger fan forum?



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Somewhere someone posted where are the guitar solos in Shattered. I have watched quite a few live videos from the ABB tour and not one of them has either Ronnie or Keith playing any kind of solo/lead all the way through the break, always just the first hit and then it's just big nasty chords the rest of the way through.

Which, I guess, is why that Giants Stadium boot is the best of any I've ever heard.

Regardless of that, I think it might be one of the best tracks on the record. How could that one reviewer say it's a train wreck? It's SUPPOSED to sound like it's falling apart!

Just saw the video for JJF from the movie. It's growing on me.

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>> that makes me wonder what you're doing in a fan site <<

maumau, jamesfdoglas's other screen name before he was banned was Jaggerfan -
maybe that'll help you understand the mindset.
and/or maybe someone has the url of the Mick Jagger fan forum?

dear with, thanks for the info but i'll not understand that mindset nor that of others that post only on one single issue (ie Taylor) and refuse to share their views with the rest of us on much any other stones topic. I mean, I completely understand obsessive compulsive behavior (how could I not? what else I am doing right here right now!) but I try to be here as respectful as i can, and I cant help feeling arrogance from these throwers of truth pearls.

it's my time of the month of course

i know what you mean, maumau, regardless of the timing.



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Nice comment on Martin chattering before JJF - spelled with a G in it:

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Album: Rolling Stones, Shine a Light (Universal)

(Rated 3/ 5 )

Reviewed by Andy Gill
Friday, 4 April 2008

Martin Scorsese has become the official hallmark of classic-rock-cred: first the Dylan documentary, then this Stones concert film, and next up, the George Harrison bio-doc. He's undoubtedly qualified for the job, but I'm not sure I want to hear him muttering "OK! First song!" over the opening of "Jumping Jack Flash": it imposes a too businesslike attitude over an event not exactly short of that commodity in the first place.

Filmed at New York's Beacon Theatre, this two-CD live set is tight and efficient, most notably on an impressively bruising "Live With Me" featuring Christina Aguilera (there are also spots for Jack White and Buddy Guy), though one suspects the likes of "Shattered" and "She Was Hot" were included more for their crowd-pleasing mentions of US cities than for musical virtue.

And if Mick's a trifle mannered on "As Tears Go By" (a bit like faulting water for being wet, I realise), and their version of "Just My Imagination" is too rugged for the song's good, the second disc's array of staples – including "Sympathy For the Devil", "Brown Sugar", "Satisfaction" and "Paint It Black" – is dispatched with typical panache.

Pick of the album: 'Live With Me', 'Paint It Black', 'Brown Sugar', 'Satisfaction'

so, correct me if I am wrong this Andy Gill consider SFTD is "dispatched with - elegance -" while Imagination is "too rugged"
...
oh yes of course

agree with Andy on micks ATGB

>> I'm not sure I want to hear him muttering "OK! First song!" over the opening of "Jumping Jack Flash" <<

eek - that's on the CD? bummer. meta-narrative is one thing;
but meta-narrative getting in the way of the music is ... hm

skipstone which giants stadium show from abb tour are you refering to 9/15/05, or 9/27/06 ? .i went to both and i am intrested in your thoughts on this?

Sorry. The August 14, 1994 Voodoo Lounge Giants Stadium show. Not positive but I think it was filmed for that tour's video? Right around that time. The video that was in the brochure. Anyway, I have a boot from that called Sparks Will Fly and the version of Shattered on it is just tremendous. It's incredible.

The version on SAL is similar but the guitar work is complete or more thourough on the Voodoo version, those lead lines like they are on the record. Did they play Shattered at anytime of the Bridges/No Security or Licks tours? I thought they pulled it out here and there for Licks.

OKAY.... what I meant to say was this...

I love Keith. I fully acknowledge his importance in rock history. Being a singer though - that's what I listen to primarily. Yes, I'm a Mick fan Thru and Thru.

Blondie DID play right onstage with them in '07 - and it broke me heart to see it. But I've accepted that. I didn't mean it to have an acidic tone, nor to spark those old flames again.

I like it here - and Keith could just smlie and wave and I'd pay to see him. He's earned it.

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also shattered was played on the 1981 tour and also featured on the still life album

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Just saw the video for JJF from the movie. It's growing on me.

Like moss on a rolling stone?


IORR............but I like it!

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Sorry. The August 14, 1994 Voodoo Lounge Giants Stadium show. Not positive but I think it was filmed for that tour's video? Right around that time. The video that was in the brochure. Anyway, I have a boot from that called Sparks Will Fly and the version of Shattered on it is just tremendous. It's incredible.

The version on SAL is similar but the guitar work is complete or more thourough on the Voodoo version, those lead lines like they are on the record. Did they play Shattered at anytime of the Bridges/No Security or Licks tours? I thought they pulled it out here and there for Licks.

The history of Shattered in concert :

1978 = every show

1981/1982 = every show

1989 = 1st night only ( Philadelphia )

1990 = not played at all

1994/1995 = 69 times out of 133 ( mainly in 1994 )

1997/1998 = not played at all

1999 = played two times ( May 29th & June 8th )

2002 = played four times ( September 5th,Sept. 10th,Sept. 26th, + Oct.18th )

2003 = not played at all

2005 = played fairly regularly

2006 = played rarely

2007 = played once or twice

since i got the real thing a couple of days ago and gave it a lot of listen i might add a few notes on my first review
the strength of it is sure the unity of the performance and the way the sound is produced (glimmers and clearmountain as i see, no was...)
after many spins JMI and Somegirls stand out, TD is surprisingly good at this point of its overplayedness. And SWH still peaks. Shattered along with YGTS is really groovy.
So. This is by far the best "almost" cut in/cut out live performance officially released. Simply because, to my knowledge, it is the only one...
Unfair comparison with Ya Ya's are of course unfair.And still Ya Ya's was a selection of some nights (worked on as we know)
The only released product that can be compared to this in my opinion is the "sound track" to 4F's Olympia. And imho, with the exeptions of THSMLI and Dance, SAL is a better performance and a better (fatter) sound.
Weak point imo is ATGB and, of course, SFTD

What really caught my attention is:
The excellent weaving/interplay between Ron and Keith. I think Ron plays outstanding on this album... Keith is great as the rhythm player, not that great as the lead player (i.e. some of is solos), but their playing together is really a treat on this one.

Someone mentioned the excellent bass by Darryl on Start Me Up.
I agree: a real treat from Darryl, also on T&A. This sound from his bass is actually great... better than on studio records.



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Couldn't agree more with sssoul/

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the English arsenal of expletives is pretty skimpy, compared to some languages,
which is probably why we use the few we have for such varied purposes.
perfectly normal casual expressions like "can i leave my sh1t at your house"
can sound unduly alarming to non-native anglophones, i know.
and if Mick had said "Buddy signs-and-wonders Guy" or "you've been a great fabulous audience"
the Censorship Police would be up in arms, so ... so he can't freakin win, i reckon

Actually there's a reason for the "Buddy MF Guy," beyond the limits or flexibility of the English language, it's a reference to something that Buddy had told the Stones.

Buddy Guy tells the story of when he was working at Chess recording My Time After Awhile and met the Stones for the first time.
He was asked what he would like to be called and then relates a story of when he first went to Chicago and Muddy Waters said to him, "Hey MF, I haven't seen you since yesterday."
Later during a recording session, the session stops and someone from the booth says to Guy, "Hey MF turn your guitar up," but Guy doesn't respond assuming that he can't be talking to him. The person comes out out the booth and says directly to Buddy Guy, "I'm talking to YOU, MF!"
Buddy told that story to the Stones during rehearsal at the Beacon.
When Buddy tells it, it's much funnier. :-)

question for WHALE : how sounds the SHM ? and did you compare it with the regular edition ?

Well I listend to this yesterday, after a few months and my verdict is this is an excellent release. Is is the new Ya-Ya's, no. Is it better than Stripped, I think thats too much of a generalization....two different types of releases.

Shine A Light the movie, and the soundtrack appears to me, to be a celebration of a great band with an astounding catalog.

I suggest to all the doubters to give this another unbiased listen.

the shoot 'em dead, brainbell jangler!