As we know The Stones was about to release a double livealbum from the US tour 1972. It was supposed to be released just before christmas 1972 with the title, "Rolling Stones American tour 1972", but stopped in the last minute by Allen Klein and ABKCO records. Now I wonder what songs that was included on the album, I know there was a duet with Mick&Stevie Wonder on "satisfaction", but what about the rest? In Micks solo video "Running out of luck", he pulls out a record with a yellow label and sings parts from "brown sugar" and Jumpin' Jack flash", and there is now doubt that It's live versions from 1972/73! Could it be from this unreleased live double? Are there any exact bootlegs from this live album, and what's It called? Is there any artwork from the real album?
God bless

I think there are bootlegs that claim to be the great lost unreleased 1972 live album, but I don't think any of them really are.

yeh it's hard to believe there would be a hole this big in their essential catalog. never have been able to figure this...thought maybe bad blood between them and klein, but i don't really know that stuff; not really privvy to it. sure is many a live release not really very interesting or engaging track to track...funny...never have done figgered this anomoly...same as l&g official release which never happened on dvd or vhs...(tho i am very grateful for a most excellent DVD boot with great audio and video & easy to naviagate song selection and graphics...
...after DECADES of nothin' but an old spotty hissy VHS that i've played countless countless times over the years...) i mean, it's the real deal fo sho.

more than a historical document, it's really, as EVERYONE here knows, really vibrant thrilling tour during the most amazing exciting time when sf and eoms and even lib and banquet were all 'fairly' new. and the energy and execution so brilliant; really strange there isn't a FABULOUSLY GREAT AUDIO official good long capture from the '72/'73 thing...weird, huh? viva la boots, but it would be nice to see an official release with loving care taken on the available masters and mixes...which must be voluminous. could never quite figger why they'd leave such an obvious huge hole in their recorded career; jeezum, that's top flight stuff...cain't figger them knucklehaids out...originally thought, well ok, ya-ya's is only 3 or so years old and they don't want another live thing out...but as the years went by, that equivocation seemed weak...a mystery to me for sure.
thattsa showbiz i guess.

"Keep Your Motor Runnin'" (VGP) is the real one.

midnrambler Wrote:
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> "Keep Your Motor Runnin'" (VGP) is the real one.


Hmm. I don't have it. Is it with the mixed sound that one would expect from an official live release (A la Ya-Ya's sound?), or is it just a good audience rec or a soundboard rec?

JumpingKentFlash

Quality is not that good as on YaYas.
I'm still not sure about "Keep your motor". For sure those are all songs that were recorded for that album but whether it is the real thing ?!
I still doubt.

Raging bull Wrote:
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> In Micks solo video "Running out of luck", he pulls out a record with
> a yellow label and sings parts from "brown sugar"
> and Jumpin' Jack flash", and there is now doubt
> that It's live versions from 1972/73!

That was "Through the Past Darkly Pt. II".

The real thing is unreleased until now. Not a single bootleg release can claim this. Keep Your Motor Runnin' is a great release though. A classic.

Isn't keep your motor running simply the soundtrack to Ladies & Gentlemen?

Roy Carr's book "The Rolling Stones: An Illustrated Record" which I once owned but no longer do, included reproductions of the actual cover artwork. I think it was a photo of a torn and tattered Rolling Stones concert handbill pasted on a telephone poll on top of a bunch of other advertisements. The back cover was the same except that it showed a Stevie Wonder concert handbill as the advert most recently pasted onto a telephone poll.

What I don't understand is why does ABKCO hold the rights to material recorded in 1972? For that matter, why were they able to include Brown Sugar and Wild Horses on Hot Rocks and The London Singles Collection?



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> What I don't understand is why does ABKCO hold the
> rights to material recorded in 1972? For that
> matter, why were they able to include Brown Sugar
> and Wild Horses on Hot Rocks and The London
> Singles Collection?

That's an easy one: The Stones owed Decca another Single at the end of their contract, so they came up with CS Blues. Since that was "unreleasable", they had the rights to the first single released under RSR, which was of course "Brown Sugar b/w Wild Horses"...

donnywas Wrote:
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> ..the first single released
> under RSR, which was of course "Brown Sugar b/w
> Wild Horses"...


I thought was "Bitch" the b-side of Brown Sugar?
??

donnywas Wrote:
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> > What I don't understand is why does ABKCO hold
> the
> > rights to material recorded in 1972? For that
> > matter, why were they able to include Brown
> Sugar
> > and Wild Horses on Hot Rocks and The London
> > Singles Collection?
>
> That's an easy one: The Stones owed Decca another
> Single at the end of their contract, so they came
> up with CS Blues. Since that was "unreleasable",
> they had the rights to the first single released
> under RSR, which was of course "Brown Sugar b/w
> Wild Horses"...


I thought that might be the case, but wasn't Bitch was the B-side of Brown Sugar and Wild Horses the A-side of the second SF single? Maybe the CS Blues debacle gave ABKCO the rights to ANY two tracks of their choosing from the next Stones album? Still doesn't explain why they would also have the rights to a '72 live album.

dunhill Wrote:
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> Raging bull Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > In Micks solo video "Running out of luck", he
> pulls out a record with
> > a yellow label and sings parts from "brown
> sugar"
> > and Jumpin' Jack flash", and there is now doubt
> > that It's live versions from 1972/73!
>
> That was "Through the Past Darkly Pt. II".


Not exactly. Jagger keeps the cover of Decca album "Through The Past, Darkly" LP in his hand, takes out a Rolling Stones Records vinyl (yellow label with tongue), and puts it on and out comes live sounding versions of "Brown Sugar" and "Jumpin' Jack Flash" - neither of them from the Decca album, and they didn't sound "Love You Live" versions either. That's how much I remember, and I haven't seen it for over 20 years... T

- Doxa



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midnrambler Wrote:
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> "Keep Your Motor Runnin'" (VGP) is the real one.

What he said.

tatters Wrote:
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> Roy Carr's book "The Rolling Stones: An
> Illustrated Record" which I once owned but no
> longer do, included reproductions of the actual
> cover artwork. I think it was a photo of a torn
> and tattered Rolling Stones concert handbill
> pasted on a telephone poll on top of a bunch of
> other advertisements. The back cover was the same
> except that it showed a Stevie Wonder concert
> handbill as the advert most recently pasted onto a
> telephone poll.
>
Yeah, I have that book and that's a pretty good description of the artwork. I think the plan was SIDE ONE was gonna be Stevie Wonder and SIDES 2/3/4 were gonna be the ENTIRE Stones show as well as the duet with SW as a rare 1972 encore (UPTIGHT/SATISFACTION).... Damn shame it never came out, very strange....

I have a cassette tape of the live album. It's brilliant. It ends w/the Stevie/Mick encore.

Not likely we'll see anything officially released from the greatest tour the lads have ever done until the band is no more. It's the only plausible argument, imo - mick simply wants to keep the current fanbase from hearing just how great they once were. he's no dummy.

HEILOOBAAS Wrote:
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> I have a cassette tape of the live album. It's
> brilliant. It ends w/the Stevie/Mick encore.


Never heard anything about any boot releases from the actual album...

The closest thing I've heard about, is the "Keep Your Motor Running" which actually has some (probably) leftover versions with overdubbs (Mick X 2 etc.)

tatters Wrote:
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> Roy Carr's book "The Rolling Stones: An
> Illustrated Record" which I once owned but no
> longer do, included reproductions of the actual
> cover artwork. I think it was a photo of a torn
> and tattered Rolling Stones concert handbill
> pasted on a telephone poll on top of a bunch of
> other advertisements. The back cover was the same
> except that it showed a Stevie Wonder concert
> handbill as the advert most recently pasted onto a
> telephone poll.
>
> What I don't understand is why does ABKCO hold the
> rights to material recorded in 1972? For that
> matter, why were they able to include Brown Sugar
> and Wild Horses on Hot Rocks and The London
> Singles Collection?


I have just found this book,it's a bit battered but still very treasured ,
your memory ''tatters ''is very good indeed , the front cover does have a handbill on a telephone post ,the back cover looks as though it might be a handbill pasted onto other old ripped bills possibly on something wider than a telephone pole difficult to say,the front as you say is a pole of some kind you can see that there is a bit of the wood visable.
Don't have a scanner at the moment but if someone else has the book the photos are on page 73 .
Whilst seaching for this book I found several Record collector mags from the 80's90's and some recent plus a few Vox ect with interviews by the boys.

RC93 MAY 1987 has a quote from a 1973 Keith interview about the live album

''A whole live album with Steve Wonder on it, recorded on the American tour , has been scrapped because they've ( Decca ) ballsed that up. I mean, if we're recording a live show with old numbers on it, we can't put the motherf##ker out in the first place because recordings of those songs belong to them until 1976 or whatever ''

I have 2 copies of RC 101 JAN 1988 with The Rolling Stones The Final Decade ? as the main article,anybody want to trade something for it, or should I ask on Hot Stuff

mick is being daft if he is trying to keep the current fanbase from hearing the stones in thier heyday.

we can get a lot of this stuff on you-tube or various bootlegs.

so wouldnt it make more financial sense to the stones to release it thierselves, the stones have thier legacy to think about aswell.

you might be surprised at how few people who go to stones shows these days know ANYTHING about the 1972 tour, or even that there was one. Even many of my closest longtime friends and fellow stoneheads wouldn't know squat about it were it not for the likes of me burning stuff for them over the years.

Could it be that the Glimmer Twins don't want Mick Taylor getting any extra
$$ from a release in their Golden years period (that included Taylor)

I wonder??

MLC

MCDDTLC Wrote:
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> Could it be that the Glimmer Twins don't want Mick
> Taylor getting any extra
> $$ from a release in their Golden years period
> (that included Taylor)
>
> I wonder??
>


hey, that's even MORE cynical than my take on things. I like it.

MCDDTLC Wrote:
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> Could it be that the Glimmer Twins don't want Mick
> Taylor getting any extra
> $$ from a release in their Golden years period
> (that included Taylor)
>
> I wonder??
>
> MLC


Don't think it has anything to do with that at all. With Jagger being an prefectionist, one can assume that any release from that aera would be hard for him to swallow. Just think about the fact that Keith tuned his guitars on stage during the conserts

MCDDTLC Wrote:
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> Could it be that the Glimmer Twins don't want Mick
> Taylor getting any extra
> $$ from a release in their Golden years period
> (that included Taylor)
>
> I wonder??
>
> MLC

Is this a joke?

C

They could do something similar to what Springsteen did with Born To Run.
Release the live Cd's and the Ladies And Gentlemen movie on DVD as a set, I know there are probably different companies that released the original movie but surely some one can see a way of making it all happen and make us happy and themselves a few bucks in the process.

I think they should release the ladies & gentlemen dvd as a box set similar to the Elvis Aloha From Hawaii and 68 Comeback DVDs where they have the original films and all the rushes and unused footage too. Brand new stereo & surround sound mixes etc.

Disc 1: Ladies & Gentlemen (Original cut remastered)

Disc 2: Fort Worth, Texas, June 24, Early & Late Shows
Disc 3: Houston, Texas, June 25, Early & Late Shows

Brand new edits of all 4 shows, all complete and correctly synced etc.

Disc 4: Bonus Archive Footage like Montreal Rehearsals, Dick Cavett etc.

Wouldn't this be the ultimate Stones DVD box???

I have yet to hear a great recording. All sound pretty rough/flat, including Keep The Motor Running. Very good boots, but hardly sound like 'leaked' records.

I don't think we'll see this out while the band is still active. Sounds like a rights nightmare.

anyway of getting a copy of keep your motor runnin?....