Hey I hear he played really good yesterday,he must be out of his mind!Or he's drunk!

@#$%& off Keith haters!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...and stop puttin' him down!!

so did Keith take a solo in Rough Justice at Nijmegen? or was that a Werchter one-off?
it sounded good! (no offense Ronnie!)

He used a secret dutch medicine yesterday night...Amstel !

Keith rules.

[[FEAR; BUILDS WALLS.]]

MsTuesday,

Are you still making desktop backgrounds? How about putting up a link to them if you are. Nice job on those.

"No Anchovies, Please"

with sssoul Wrote:
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> so did Keith take a solo in Rough Justice at
> Nijmegen? or was that a Werchter one-off?
> it sounded good! (no offense Ronnie!)


yes, he took the solo. or was that YGMR? with those two coming back to back it was hard to tell the difference . . .

*and i'm just like that bird - singing just for you*

the singer not the bong Wrote:
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> with sssoul Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > so did Keith take a solo in Rough Justice at
> > Nijmegen? or was that a Werchter one-off?
> > it sounded good! (no offense Ronnie!)
>
>
> yes, he took the solo. or was that YGMR? with
> those two coming back to back it was hard to tell
> the difference . . .

This guys been smoking too much. Can be safely ignored/

Peculiar thing is, the Fan Mob seem to be needing one,
always one, scapegoat, one @#$%&-up.

At Werchter it was Keef (well-earnt, as I got it!)
At Nijmegen Ronnie (?)

Is it just me; or its like my wireless stone-hard Stonefan pal
ponders: "Its the Dutch Horse. It's not like it used to be."

No; I think this all reflects deep underlying psychological needs.

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> No; I think this all reflects deep underlying
> psychological needs.

Sure, or it could also reflect everyone's right to express an opinion....

Which is this: Ronnie played awfully bad last night?

List'nin' to IORR from Nijmegen from the link
Open G posted.... If Keef is "bad" on it; I
r-e-a-l-l-y long fora gig when he is good...
Must be totally unbelievable...
Same goes for Ronnie.

listen to boots or soundboard from rio,keiths playing is from parts unknown,brilliant.satisfaction has some guitar solos that are unbelievable,the whole record is great.available at rsconcerts .com

john scialfa

don't know where else to put it, so i'll put it here:
the Nijmegen Happy has been getting such totally mixed reviews that i got curious
and had a look at the youtube clip of it. could the musicians among us comment please?
what i see/hear is Keith playing the intro slightly differently than usual -
then Charlie coming in wrong, and Keith pausing to accommodate Charlie.
his body language at that point seems designed to communicate that *he's* going to adjust
(rather than leaving his bandmates guessing what they're supposed to do) and then when Keith comes back in,
the number soars beautifully, plus which Keith sings it *great*.
so ... why are some people saying this Happy was some sort of disaster??
to me it's the kind of moment where the band is workin just like a band - which i love to see -
and what was Keith supposed to do when Charlie came in on the offbeat, just barge ahead as if he didn't notice??

mind you: i understand the general concern about Keith not seeming his usual radiant self
at the first couple of shows - but to me the Nijmegen Happy is not an example of anything wrong.

As I hear it Keith simply misses the intro slightly, and there is an extra beat to it. That´s why Charlie comes in wrong, but when they "sort it out" I think it´s a good version.

thank you Svartmer ... it's so cool watching musicians communicate on stage,
and i am charmed by Keith's way of letting the others know what he's doing
but i guess it was widely interpreted as some kind of "oh no" moment. sigh.

one more question, if you can stand it: what key are they in?
the official setlist says A, but ... is it?

Svartmer Wrote:
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> As I hear it Keith simply misses the intro
> slightly, and there is an extra beat to it. That´s
> why Charlie comes in wrong, but when they "sort it
> out" I think it´s a good version.

Yes, I agree. A shaky start, but after that it is a pretty solid version.

Keith does not look good. His "solo" on sympathy last night was not good. The rest of the band seems wary. Something is wrong. It makes me really worried.

Bollox; this will be a "truth" which will fulfill itself.
Keith plays better & better & so does Ron... Easy to follow,
gig by gig at Youtube.

Baboon - I hope you are right!

with sssoul Wrote:
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> don't know where else to put it, so i'll put it
> here:
> the Nijmegen Happy has been getting such totally
> mixed reviews that i got curious
> and had a look at the youtube clip of it. could
> the musicians among us comment please?
> what i see/hear is Keith playing the intro
> slightly differently than usual -
> then Charlie coming in wrong, and Keith pausing to
> accommodate Charlie.
> his body language at that point seems designed to
> communicate that *he's* going to adjust
> (rather than leaving his bandmates guessing what
> they're supposed to do) and then when Keith comes
> back in,
> the number soars beautifully, plus which Keith
> sings it *great*.
> so ... why are some people saying this Happy was
> some sort of disaster??
> to me it's the kind of moment where the band is
> workin just like a band - which i love to see -
> and what was Keith supposed to do when Charlie
> came in on the offbeat, just barge ahead as if he
> didn't notice??
>
> mind you: i understand the general concern about
> Keith not seeming his usual radiant self
> at the first couple of shows - but to me the
> Nijmegen Happy is not an example of anything
> wrong.

Yes, totally right. That's exactly what I remember seeing in Nijmegen (and for what it's worth: I'm a musician).

Rebellin' against click track?

Baboon Bro Wrote:
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> Rebellin' against click track?

"Rebellin'" implies that Keith quite intentionally focks up intros (Happy, Wanna Hold You, Brown Sugar, It's All Over Now-Werchter and others). I doubt this. This also begs for the question why the hell they need click-tracks for Rock 'n Roll numbers at all nowadays - there was a time when Keith stormed into a number and the band followed... My impression is that nowadays, Keith occasionally has problems to start a song, and once a song has started, the rest of the band carries him through. Also, the fact that Sweet Virginia in Nijmegen was not started by Keith or at least Ron, but by Blondie Chaplin on guitar worries me a bit.

<This also begs for the question why the hell they need click-tracks for Rock 'n Roll numbers at all nowadays>

They don't. I think only Charlie uses click track.

If you had been front row by the B-stage at Isle of Wight directly in front of thye riff master while he worked hard on Satisfaction you would for sure agree to the fact that there's nothing wrong with Keith. And as he finished his great great solo riff playing he smiled at us and gave us this special catch from his eyes which said he was pretty happy with himself as well as with us.

Bjornulf

with sssoul Wrote:
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> don't know where else to put it, so i'll put it
> here:
> the Nijmegen Happy has been getting such totally
> mixed reviews that i got curious
> and had a look at the youtube clip of it. could
> the musicians among us comment please?
> what i see/hear is Keith playing the intro
> slightly differently than usual -
> then Charlie coming in wrong, and Keith pausing to
> accommodate Charlie.
> his body language at that point seems designed to
> communicate that *he's* going to adjust
> (rather than leaving his bandmates guessing what
> they're supposed to do) and then when Keith comes
> back in,
> the number soars beautifully, plus which Keith
> sings it *great*.
> so ... why are some people saying this Happy was
> some sort of disaster??
> to me it's the kind of moment where the band is
> workin just like a band - which i love to see -
> and what was Keith supposed to do when Charlie
> came in on the offbeat, just barge ahead as if he
> didn't notice??
>
> mind you: i understand the general concern about
> Keith not seeming his usual radiant self
> at the first couple of shows - but to me the
> Nijmegen Happy is not an example of anything
> wrong.

You know, I'm one of those people, who did a "bad" review of the Nimegen show. And it was not out of hate or anything like that, but out of concern for Keith and Ronnie. And I won't change my mind about my impressions on that "tempestuous" evening. BUT: Everybody who saw this particular gig has to judge for himself. And I had friends with me who had a different impression than me. Anyway: Even I had to admid that Keith did a fine job singing Happy. And he made some strong contributions (partially covering up for Ronnie) from the beginning till the end of the B-stage set.

I'm a little bit sad, that everybody thinks one is "putting Keith down", when one just shows concern for the man. As most of you do, I just love him. But that doesn't mean, he is "untouchable". And it doesn't mean you stop thinking. Anyway, I'm glad to hear the IOW gig went down well. So let's hope they're getting back into shape again.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-11 14:40 by Greenblues.

" 'Rebellin' implies that Keith quite intentionally focks up intros (Happy, Wanna Hold You, Brown Sugar, It's All Over Now-Werchter and others). I doubt this. "(retired_dog)

Your interpretation of my posting. Not what I meant.
Keef has always disliked click-track.
Still I believe bv 110% when he says there was nuthin wrong @ IoW.
Otherwise I say you put it nicely, retired_dog, agree on most points:
How rock 'n' roll is it with click-track ?

Happy is listed on the official setlist as the one number where the tempo is "KR" -
meaning he sets it himself, no clicktrack. it's interesting that Wanna Hold You *does* have a preset tempo marked
on the setlists from Werchter and Nijmegen.

>> I'm a little bit sad, that everybody thinks one is "putting Keith down", when one just shows concern for the man.
As most of you do, I just love him. But that doesn't mean, he is "untouchable". And it doesn't mean you stop thinking <<

right - and if you read what i wrote: i understand the concern; and i haven't said anything about anyone "putting Keith down",
just that i'm puzzled by the posts saying the Nijmegen Happy was some kind of disaster,
since what i hear on the youtube clip sounds really good, and some people who were there concur.
i'm not commenting on (or asking about) Keith's general performance, since i haven't seen/heard enough
to have an impression of my own, and the reports from people who have been at shows have been very mixed.

again: i understand the sincere concern; at the same time, i think there's some misinterpretation going on in some cases.
for example: Keith hunkering down low and waiting doesn't necessarily mean he's "lost and has no clue what to play";
it can also mean he knows exactly what's going on and is focussed on working things out with his bandmates.



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-11 18:01 by with sssoul.

I see what you mean. I hope you'll catch Keith on a real high when you get to see him during this tour ;-)



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-11 18:07 by Greenblues.

DandelionPowderman Wrote:
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> >
> They don't. I think only Charlie uses click track.

IF Charlie uses a clicktrack then the whole band uses a clicktrack. But he doesn't besides playing along a percussion loop on sympathy.