yikes - there it is again: "I Just Wanna Hold You"
smile: i wonder which lyrics they had on the prompter :E
thanks MononoM (and i'm glad you got home - or somewhere! - safely)

with sssoul Wrote:
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> yikes - there it is again: "I Just Wanna Hold You"
>
> smile: i wonder which lyrics they had on the
> prompter :E
> thanks MononoM (and i'm glad you got home - or
> somewhere! - safely)


i particularly liked "I Wanna Hold You, I Gotta Hold You, or I Gotta Do Something With You," which he played on the BTB dvd. (st. louis '97) an absolutely smoking version. if he comes anywhere near close to those highs in nijmegen, i'll go home happy!

look at the tempos - interesting! in Keith's set it's usually "KR" for both/all the numbers, isn't it?
but here they've got 140 for Wanna Hold You (fastest in the show, i'll be darned).

and what about I'll Go Crazy? who started that one off?

the first show is over
it has been a great one
with warhorses with some rare songs
with a fantastic mick and with KEITH
thank god he is alive
people on this board started the a bigger keith bashing tour
in this thread
and I just feel disgusted
he is our hero, the one and only
most of the people here can not play any instruments but dare to judge
keith's notes???????????????
how about you do not attend any stones shows anymore
I would be pleased because I would not have to read any crap anymore
thanx

by the way the rolling stones did not start that late because keith was drunk
they started later because the sun was still there in the middle of nowhere

aslecs Wrote:
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> 1. Start Me Up - WAR HORSE

yep
> 2. Shattered - WAR HORSE (sort of)


not even remotely close to being one. gets played at barely a third of the shows. A minor US single and not released as a single in Europe.


> 3. Rough Justice – Good but – a. they often screw
> it up, particularly the slide: b. how about 4
> others from “ABB”?

agreed, but hard to complain about ANY song being played from the album theyre touring behind

> 4. Rocks Off - WAR HORSE (sort of)

Absolutely no way. Its not even on 40 licks, gets left out of the show FAR more often than it gets played. How is it 'sort of' a warhorse?

> 5. Heartbreaker – OK, new but they can barely pull
> it off

How do you know? Where you there? Its always sounded good enough any time I've heard it

> 6. Some Girls –Good but done a gazillion times during No Security

wrong on so many levels. Firstly, this tour is in Europe and not the US. First played on the No security US leg in '99, then 3 times on the Euro leg that followed (Stuttgart, Imst, and Shepherds Bush) and the only performance since then was at the 2nd Beacon show in November. Played a gazillion times? Er...38 prior to last night actually. Three of them in Europe, I would think its safe to assume that at least 99% of that crowd last night had never seen this song played before. Why should they consider it overplayed because it was played regularly on a tour they didnt attend in another continent 8 years ago?


>
> 7. Waiting On A Friend - Good

Just 'Good' ? First performance EVER outside the US and only about the 7th airing since 1981.


> 8. Can't You Hear Me Knocking –Good though done a
> gazillion times during 40 licks

60 actually. Which is barely half the shows on that tour. Also, it WASNT played when they played Belgium on that tour, which is a more significant statistic than the fact that it was played in New York, LA, London and a few other places that you or I may have been at or own bootlegs from.

> 9. Tumbling Dice –WAR HORSE

yep


> 10. I'll Go Crazy -?

Why the question mark? Its a world premiere?

> --- Introductions
> 11. I Wanna Hold You (Keith) – So so

First performance in 9 years, actually

> 12. Slipping Away (Keith) –where is the “rocker”?

see "11". Whats the fascination with the 'rocker' anyway? He hasnt written one that hes sang on since 1989. If you want a rocker, it'll be one of Connection, Before they make me run, T&A, cant be seen or Happy. At least a couple of those have been played a helluva lot.

> 13. It's Only Rock'n Roll (to B-stage) –WAR HORSE

yep...but in fairness a novel approach playing it in this slot. Dont tell me you think that dropping Miss You is a bad thing!

> 14. It's All Over Now (B-stage) -OK

Just OK? Be serious. First time its been played in 12 years. Aside from being a semi regular on Voodoo Lounge, its barely been played in 40 years.

> 15. Satisfaction (B-stage) WAR HORSE
> 16. Honky Tonk Women (to main stage) WAR HORSE

Agreed on both, HTW in that 'last b-stage' slot has become a bit tired

> 17. Paint It Black –WAR HORSE

Nope. Played at barely half of the shows on this tour (if that). A hit that everyone knows, but apart from 1989-90 tour its never been in the set regularly since the mid 60s, so its hardly overplayed

> 18. Jumping Jack Flash WAR HORSE
> 19. Brown Sugar –WAR HORSE
> 20. Sympathy For The Devil (encore) WAR HORSE

agreed on those, but SFTD as last song is at least a bit different

Strange definition of warhorses (or semi warhorses) to support your argument. theres maybe about ten old songs that get played 90-100% of the time, so would fall into that category in my book - Satisfaction, JJF, SFTD, HTW, Brown sugar, YCAGWYW, Tumbling Dice, IORR, Miss You and Start Me Up. There arent any others that get played THAT often.

Ten songs is half the show, which I'd agree is too many, but two of those got the 'hook' last night, so thats surely a small step in the right direction. I'd prefer to see another two or three get the chop from my own perspective, but its a bit unrealistic. 8 out of 20 songs last night were what I'd call warhorses - 40% - The 12 songs that appeared in the rest of the show you couldnt have predicted with 80-90% certainty had you not been privy to what was being rehearsed.

"Tumbling Dice" excepted, that run of songs from #5 to #11 last night was one surprise after another.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-06 21:38 by Gazza.

people are crazy here
sorry gazza but don't waste your time explaining if something is a warhorse or not
what is that all about
are we all idiots?

It's a good thing the dudes that have the outlook
can share it & call a war-horse & w-h & a non-war-horse a non-war-horse...

....whew....thanks Gazza.....

frankie Wrote:
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> Just watched the video from Keith's I wanna hold
> you. 85 euro's for a ticket, not even worth 85
> eurocents, what a disgrace, they should have
> stopped before the licks tour.

They should have stopped around Goats, many say.
Or after Brians death.
Or back in 65?

I really think they started late because of the traffic

Personally, I enjoyed the gig, but as an event it was a shambles. Absolutely no buses or taxis to be seen after the gig, so had a 3 hour walk back to my hotel afterwards. I wasn't impessed!!

Welsh Stone Wrote:
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> Personally, I enjoyed the gig, but as an event it
> was a shambles. Absolutely no buses or taxis to be
> seen after the gig, so had a 3 hour walk back to
> my hotel afterwards. I wasn't impessed!!


i feel for ya mate - had to wait over 2 hours for myself for a taxi after the dodger stadium show . . .



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-06 21:52 by the singer not the bong.

For what it's worth, my wife and I had a great time yesterday in Werchter. And that's all that counts for us.

Keep On Rolling

I'm glad people had a great time yesterday and hopefully they will have more great times coming. But I don't regret not going to this tour. And hopefully Jagger is going to kick some ass backstage and tell Keith the truth.

VTM says that the stones played to many new songs!
They off course think that every non warhorse is a new song.
LOL

TV CLIP 50 SEC, FROM NORWEGIAN TV :

[atvs.vg.no]

is this worth a seperate thread?

Re: New YA YA´s CD Edition?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 17, 2013 06:54

Be thankful you even have ya-ya's deluxe.

* His Majesty, Prince Jones smiled as he moved among the crowd *



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2007-06-07 00:00 by Erik_Snow.

is it working for you "foreigners" ?

Re: New YA YA´s CD Edition?
Posted by: His Majesty ()
Date: March 17, 2013 06:54

Be thankful you even have ya-ya's deluxe.

* His Majesty, Prince Jones smiled as he moved among the crowd *

it does erik!thanx!

thanks for confirming farawayeyes, I did a thread, it was great footage

It works in the US - thanks!

bartfrombrussels Wrote:
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> VTM says that the stones played to many new
> songs!
> They off course think that every non warhorse is a
> new song.
> LOL

I think they also said they played a few songs of ABB
And when they interviewed one of the "fans" she said she wished they'd played more older songs :-)

There are a number of issues which I feel are worth commenting on:

1. There is a lot of negative comments being thrown around at this moment about the band and the opening gig. We are members of this site because deep down we all have a tremendous amount of love and respect for them.

2. It is unacceptable that, if it is the case that they, or a certain individual in the band, has turned up in a less than satisfactory state, then that is very unprofessional and should never happen and needs to be dealt with considering the cost and time and trouble people go to in order to see their heroes.

3. We should take into account that these guys are now all into their 60's. There probably will be a degree of them not performing at a level they did in years gone by. Other bands who are revered as icons (e.g. The Beatles) cannot be compared in the same context to the Stones because they only performed live for a few years and people remember them in their prime.

4. Whatever arguments people may put forward about the pros and cons of overindulgence, the fact of the matter is that whether it's drugs or alcohol, make no mistake that in time it will catch up with you and bite you big time; more so than in comparison to an individual who adopts a healthy lifestyle (yeah go on I know it sounds really boring) but this is an indisputable fact of life that is non-negotiable - so let's accept that this is how it is.

5. Despite some of the negative comments about the set list, I thought it was brilliant and well done to the band for taking a few risks.

6. After alls bin said and done, let's all look forward to seeing this amazing band in action, despite any negativity that's being talked about on this board and relish the moment because this really may just be the last time, especially for us in Europe.

.....well said stonesrick, although you lost me at that part about drugs and alcohol eventually catching up with you....

well said, rick

great post Gazza.

Welsh Stone Wrote:
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> Absolutely no buses or taxis to be
> seen after the gig, so had a 3 hour walk back to
> my hotel afterwards.

I do not understand that nowadays tickets prices are so high and local promoters are not even able or willing to organize a concert professionaly! It´s a shame, really.

I would have loved to see this gig, but for me it was part of my decision not to see the Stones in the middle of nowhere with such a bad infrastructure. I am sure many people thought like that.

ThroughTheLonelyNights Wrote:
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> Welsh Stone Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Absolutely no buses or taxis to be
> > seen after the gig, so had a 3 hour walk back
> to
> > my hotel afterwards.
>
> I do not understand that nowadays tickets prices
> are so high and local promoters are not even able
> or willing to organize a concert professionaly!
> It´s a shame, really.
>
> I would have loved to see this gig, but for me it
> was part of my decision not to see the Stones in
> the middle of nowhere with such a bad
> infrastructure. I am sure many people thought like
> that.


I'm curious Welsh Stone, didn't anyone stop to offer you a ride on the way home?....or am I just being naive again?

yes, I am sorry to say and do not want to offend you, but I think that´s being naive - because that is just not the point!!

Gazza Wrote:
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> aslecs Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > 1. Start Me Up - WAR HORSE
>
> yep
> > 2. Shattered - WAR HORSE (sort of)
>
>
> not even remotely close to being one. gets played
> at barely a third of the shows. A minor US single
> and not released as a single in Europe.
>
>
> > 3. Rough Justice – Good but – a. they often
> screw
> > it up, particularly the slide: b. how about 4
> > others from “ABB”?
>
> agreed, but hard to complain about ANY song being
> played from the album theyre touring behind
>
> > 4. Rocks Off - WAR HORSE (sort of)
>
> Absolutely no way. Its not even on 40 licks, gets
> left out of the show FAR more often than it gets
> played. How is it 'sort of' a warhorse?
>
> > 5. Heartbreaker – OK, new but they can barely
> pull
> > it off
>
> How do you know? Where you there? Its always
> sounded good enough any time I've heard it
>
> > 6. Some Girls –Good but done a gazillion times
> during No Security
>
> wrong on so many levels. Firstly, this tour is in
> Europe and not the US. First played on the No
> security US leg in '99, then 3 times on the Euro
> leg that followed (Stuttgart, Imst, and Shepherds
> Bush) and the only performance since then was at
> the 2nd Beacon show in November. Played a
> gazillion times? Er...38 prior to last night
> actually. Three of them in Europe, I would think
> its safe to assume that at least 99% of that crowd
> last night had never seen this song played before.
> Why should they consider it overplayed because it
> was played regularly on a tour they didnt attend
> in another continent 8 years ago?
>
>
> >
> > 7. Waiting On A Friend - Good
>
> Just 'Good' ? First performance EVER outside the
> US and only about the 7th airing since 1981.
>
>
> > 8. Can't You Hear Me Knocking –Good though done
> a
> > gazillion times during 40 licks
>
> 60 actually. Which is barely half the shows on
> that tour. Also, it WASNT played when they played
> Belgium on that tour, which is a more significant
> statistic than the fact that it was played in New
> York, LA, London and a few other places that you
> or I may have been at or own bootlegs from.
>
> > 9. Tumbling Dice –WAR HORSE
>
> yep
>
>
> > 10. I'll Go Crazy -?
>
> Why the question mark? Its a world premiere?
>
> > --- Introductions
> > 11. I Wanna Hold You (Keith) – So so
>
> First performance in 9 years, actually
>
> > 12. Slipping Away (Keith) –where is the
> “rocker”?
>
> see "11". Whats the fascination with the 'rocker'
> anyway? He hasnt written one that hes sang on
> since 1989. If you want a rocker, it'll be one of
> Connection, Before they make me run, T&A, cant be
> seen or Happy. At least a couple of those have
> been played a helluva lot.
>
> > 13. It's Only Rock'n Roll (to B-stage) –WAR
> HORSE
>
> yep...but in fairness a novel approach playing it
> in this slot. Dont tell me you think that dropping
> Miss You is a bad thing!
>
> > 14. It's All Over Now (B-stage) -OK
>
> Just OK? Be serious. First time its been played in
> 12 years. Aside from being a semi regular on
> Voodoo Lounge, its barely been played in 40
> years.
>
> > 15. Satisfaction (B-stage) WAR HORSE
> > 16. Honky Tonk Women (to main stage) WAR HORSE
>
> Agreed on both, HTW in that 'last b-stage' slot
> has become a bit tired
>
> > 17. Paint It Black –WAR HORSE
>
> Nope. Played at barely half of the shows on this
> tour (if that). A hit that everyone knows, but
> apart from 1989-90 tour its never been in the set
> regularly since the mid 60s, so its hardly
> overplayed
>
> > 18. Jumping Jack Flash WAR HORSE
> > 19. Brown Sugar –WAR HORSE
> > 20. Sympathy For The Devil (encore) WAR HORSE
>
> agreed on those, but SFTD as last song is at least
> a bit different
>
> Strange definition of warhorses (or semi
> warhorses) to support your argument. theres maybe
> about ten old songs that get played 90-100% of the
> time, so would fall into that category in my book
> - Satisfaction, JJF, SFTD, HTW, Brown sugar,
> YCAGWYW, Tumbling Dice, IORR, Miss You and Start
> Me Up. There arent any others that get played THAT
> often.
>
> Ten songs is half the show, which I'd agree is too
> many, but two of those got the 'hook' last night,
> so thats surely a small step in the right
> direction. I'd prefer to see another two or three
> get the chop from my own perspective, but its a
> bit unrealistic. 8 out of 20 songs last night were
> what I'd call warhorses - 40% - The 12 songs that
> appeared in the rest of the show you couldnt have
> predicted with 80-90% certainty had you not been
> privy to what was being rehearsed.
>
> "Tumbling Dice" excepted, that run of songs from
> #5 to #11 last night was one surprise after
> another.


I'd make this the official "Guide To The Rolling Stones--Live"!

Can't beat that right there.

Halup Wrote:
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> There were 4 tour debuts in this show: Can't You
> Hear Me Knocking, Wanna Hold You, It's All Over
> Now and I'll Go Crazy which is also a live debut
> as far as I know.
>
> These 4 songs bring the A Bigger Bang tour total
> to 78 different moving it past the 76 songs done
> on the Bridges/No Security tour and putting it
> into a tie with the Licks tour. One more tour
> debut and this tour will go down as being the tour
> where the Stones played the most different songs.

Unfortunately, roughly half of those were only played 3-4 times at most, in some cases only once or twice. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad for the variety, it's just too bad they don't play these songs more often.