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Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
StratoGR
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Date: December 30, 2006 12:48
Anyone knows if it's standar tuning or open G?
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
LieB
()
Date: December 30, 2006 13:14
Yup, standard without a doubt.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
StratoGR
()
Date: December 30, 2006 18:09
I thought that it was in standard tuning but after seeing this site I had doubts so that's why I asked here.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Glass Slide
()
Date: December 31, 2006 00:08
That's a great site! Whoever put that together is to be commended on a job well done.
There is this guy on YouTube who also does a great job--wonder if they are the same person.
btw always thought the live version of Sympathy was in open--g. There are a couple of places where Keith hits the "low" open g, which kinda gives it away.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-31 00:09 by Glass Slide.
There is this guy on YouTube who also does a great job--wonder if they are the same person.
btw always thought the live version of Sympathy was in open--g. There are a couple of places where Keith hits the "low" open g, which kinda gives it away.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2006-12-31 00:09 by Glass Slide.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: December 31, 2006 00:22
That site is wrong, Keith's guitar is in standard tuning.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
winter
()
Date: December 31, 2006 00:40
nah, standard tuning. low open E string, 9th fret hammeron to 11th fret on the 5th string. then move the pattern down 2 frets for the D chord low-to-hi: X, 7 to 9, 7, 7, 7, X. we're talking '69 tour here. keef hadn't done much recording in open G yet, let alone gigging and i can't see him noodling around on the top string (detuned 2 frets) for his lead. interesting site, but i think the guy's off for SFTD. taylor plays the opening bars in first position not 5th position A, keef is in standard tuning. can't think of a time where i've seen keef play this with anything but a 6 string guitar in standard.
think of the chord shape of 1rst position G chord: 3,2,0,0,0,X. this is the shape to 'bar' and use for the E and D chords on the 9th and 7th fret (position) respectively.
think of the chord shape of 1rst position G chord: 3,2,0,0,0,X. this is the shape to 'bar' and use for the E and D chords on the 9th and 7th fret (position) respectively.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Glass Slide
()
Date: December 31, 2006 01:07
Well, Honky Tonk Women was irrefutably in open g so I am not sure
about the comment that they had not discovered open g. Plus, if I am
not mistaken, JJF and SFM were done in open g live (I know it is not in
open g on the studio version).
I also think Love In Vain live is in open g.
I am going to go back and listen to SFTD.
about the comment that they had not discovered open g. Plus, if I am
not mistaken, JJF and SFM were done in open g live (I know it is not in
open g on the studio version).
I also think Love In Vain live is in open g.
I am going to go back and listen to SFTD.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
()
Date: December 31, 2006 01:29
to my knowledge, Keith always did "Love In Vain" live in standard tuning.......and SFTD was done in standard in '69......I'd bet the farm on it!!
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
ChelseaDrugstore
()
Date: December 31, 2006 01:31
I love the Bass line that Keith does in the film. It's very simple but it works. Apart from the rhythm that changes the song..
But he plays basically the E note under the E chord, then the D note under the D chord. Under the A chord he just slides a half step down to the C# and then walks back up to the E chromatically.
"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."
But he plays basically the E note under the E chord, then the D note under the D chord. Under the A chord he just slides a half step down to the C# and then walks back up to the E chromatically.
"...no longer shall you trudge 'cross my peaceful mind."
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
terraplane
()
Date: December 31, 2006 01:45
Tumblin Dice wrote:
to my knowledge, Keith always did "Love In Vain" live in standard tuning.......and SFTD was done in standard in '69......I'd bet the farm on it!!
LIV is standard for sure as he plays a 7th chord (hammering from the open note to the first fret on the high E string). MT's guitar is also standard tuning.
Both guitars in SFTD are also in standard tuning.
MT doesn't play in open g tuning on any track on GYYYO.
to my knowledge, Keith always did "Love In Vain" live in standard tuning.......and SFTD was done in standard in '69......I'd bet the farm on it!!
LIV is standard for sure as he plays a 7th chord (hammering from the open note to the first fret on the high E string). MT's guitar is also standard tuning.
Both guitars in SFTD are also in standard tuning.
MT doesn't play in open g tuning on any track on GYYYO.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
winter
()
Date: December 31, 2006 01:54
Glass Slide Wrote:
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> Well, Honky Tonk Women was irrefutably in open g
> so I am not sure
> about the comment that they had not discovered
> open g. Plus, if I am
> not mistaken, JJF and SFM were done in open g live
> (I know it is not in
> open g on the studio version).
>
> I also think Love In Vain live is in open g.
>
> I am going to go back and listen to SFTD.
glass slide, not sure where you're getting the thought that "the comment that they had not discovered open g" as noone said anything about that anywhere on the thread! and love in vain can't be in open G; listen to the low E note at the first chord change (5th beat of song), and the standard tuning voicing of the D and G chords in first position. both guitars on SFTD and LIV on yaya's are in standard.
it brings up an interesting point though: when did KR decide to debut the 5-string open G without the bottom string? i'll betcha mathijs or someone knows it right off the bat! it would have been interesting if KR had done more 6-string open tuning stuff like the studio version of JJF and child of the moon. woodie was using that tuning in the faces; wonder why KR settled on open G 5-string instead for all these years?
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> Well, Honky Tonk Women was irrefutably in open g
> so I am not sure
> about the comment that they had not discovered
> open g. Plus, if I am
> not mistaken, JJF and SFM were done in open g live
> (I know it is not in
> open g on the studio version).
>
> I also think Love In Vain live is in open g.
>
> I am going to go back and listen to SFTD.
glass slide, not sure where you're getting the thought that "the comment that they had not discovered open g" as noone said anything about that anywhere on the thread! and love in vain can't be in open G; listen to the low E note at the first chord change (5th beat of song), and the standard tuning voicing of the D and G chords in first position. both guitars on SFTD and LIV on yaya's are in standard.
it brings up an interesting point though: when did KR decide to debut the 5-string open G without the bottom string? i'll betcha mathijs or someone knows it right off the bat! it would have been interesting if KR had done more 6-string open tuning stuff like the studio version of JJF and child of the moon. woodie was using that tuning in the faces; wonder why KR settled on open G 5-string instead for all these years?
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: December 31, 2006 02:01
terraplane Wrote:
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>
> MT doesn't play in open g tuning on any track on
> GYYYO.
Yes he does: the slide guitar on Love in Vain is in open G.
About taking off the low E string: I have several pictures from the 1970 tour where it is clear the low E string was removed. I am not sure about the '69 tour: I think the low E string is still there, detuned to D. But I have not yet seen a decisive picture.
Mathijs
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>
> MT doesn't play in open g tuning on any track on
> GYYYO.
Yes he does: the slide guitar on Love in Vain is in open G.
About taking off the low E string: I have several pictures from the 1970 tour where it is clear the low E string was removed. I am not sure about the '69 tour: I think the low E string is still there, detuned to D. But I have not yet seen a decisive picture.
Mathijs
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
terraplane
()
Date: December 31, 2006 04:26
Mathijs,
You are right. MT's guitar on LIV is clearly in openG tuning. I used to play this song years ago I can't guess why i now thought this was in standard tuning. Must have been thinking of '72 versions or something.
You are right. MT's guitar on LIV is clearly in openG tuning. I used to play this song years ago I can't guess why i now thought this was in standard tuning. Must have been thinking of '72 versions or something.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Glass Slide
()
Date: December 31, 2006 04:54
winter Wrote:
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> Glass Slide Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, Honky Tonk Women was irrefutably in open
> g
> > so I am not sure
> > about the comment that they had not discovered
> > open g. Plus, if I am
> > not mistaken, JJF and SFM were done in open g
> live
> > (I know it is not in
> > open g on the studio version).
> >
> > I also think Love In Vain live is in open g.
> >
> > I am going to go back and listen to SFTD.
>
> glass slide, not sure where you're getting the
> thought that "the comment that they had not
> discovered open g" as noone said anything about
> that anywhere on the thread! and love in vain
> can't be in open G; listen to the low E note at
> the first chord change (5th beat of song), and the
> standard tuning voicing of the D and G chords in
> first position. both guitars on SFTD and LIV on
> yaya's are in standard.
>
> it brings up an interesting point though: when did
> KR decide to debut the 5-string open G without the
> bottom string? i'll betcha mathijs or someone
> knows it right off the bat! it would have been
> interesting if KR had done more 6-string open
> tuning stuff like the studio version of JJF and
> child of the moon. woodie was using that tuning in
> the faces; wonder why KR settled on open G
> 5-string instead for all these years?
Winter--with all due respect my friend, I got it from---you.
You wrote, and I quote
we're talking '69 tour here. keef hadn't done much recording in open G yet, let alone gigging
The '69 Tour, I would think we all can agree counts as "gigging", not to mention one their, most, if not, at that time, most successful single Honky Tonk Woman, was most certainly in open g. JJf, SFM, LIV, HTW, a sizable portion of the show was performed in open g.
That was the comment I was responding to. If I misintepreted what you meant by that, I apologize. To me, close to 20% of the show in open-g was fairly sizable. Not to mention, it has been documented in many places that Keith got into open-g during the post '67 touring break and meeting Ry Cooder.
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> Glass Slide Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Well, Honky Tonk Women was irrefutably in open
> g
> > so I am not sure
> > about the comment that they had not discovered
> > open g. Plus, if I am
> > not mistaken, JJF and SFM were done in open g
> live
> > (I know it is not in
> > open g on the studio version).
> >
> > I also think Love In Vain live is in open g.
> >
> > I am going to go back and listen to SFTD.
>
> glass slide, not sure where you're getting the
> thought that "the comment that they had not
> discovered open g" as noone said anything about
> that anywhere on the thread! and love in vain
> can't be in open G; listen to the low E note at
> the first chord change (5th beat of song), and the
> standard tuning voicing of the D and G chords in
> first position. both guitars on SFTD and LIV on
> yaya's are in standard.
>
> it brings up an interesting point though: when did
> KR decide to debut the 5-string open G without the
> bottom string? i'll betcha mathijs or someone
> knows it right off the bat! it would have been
> interesting if KR had done more 6-string open
> tuning stuff like the studio version of JJF and
> child of the moon. woodie was using that tuning in
> the faces; wonder why KR settled on open G
> 5-string instead for all these years?
Winter--with all due respect my friend, I got it from---you.
You wrote, and I quote
we're talking '69 tour here. keef hadn't done much recording in open G yet, let alone gigging
The '69 Tour, I would think we all can agree counts as "gigging", not to mention one their, most, if not, at that time, most successful single Honky Tonk Woman, was most certainly in open g. JJf, SFM, LIV, HTW, a sizable portion of the show was performed in open g.
That was the comment I was responding to. If I misintepreted what you meant by that, I apologize. To me, close to 20% of the show in open-g was fairly sizable. Not to mention, it has been documented in many places that Keith got into open-g during the post '67 touring break and meeting Ry Cooder.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
()
Date: December 31, 2006 09:15
yeah but winter didn't say that they hadn't "discovered" open tuning yet....somebody twisted it around to say that..I do agree that Keith was playing alot in open G by that time though......
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
winter
()
Date: December 31, 2006 10:32
glass slide, "hadn't done much open G yet" (which means "had done some" obviously, like the hyde park gig and the HTW single) as they embarked on the '69 tour is quite a ways off from "hadn't discovered open G" at all, no? and the song arrangements were done before they started the tour, at which point...-no, they hadn't yet done much gigging with open-tuned G guitars.
the reason i find SFTD on yaya's interesting is because it's the only song of all the ones we're talking about (SFM, JJF, HTW) that didn't have an open-tuned rhythm guitar on the studio version, so i don't see why keef would see the need to adapt the rhythm and his solo to open tuning.
the reason i find SFTD on yaya's interesting is because it's the only song of all the ones we're talking about (SFM, JJF, HTW) that didn't have an open-tuned rhythm guitar on the studio version, so i don't see why keef would see the need to adapt the rhythm and his solo to open tuning.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: December 31, 2006 12:26
Keith's part of Love in Vain is NOT open G tuning, it's standard tuning.
Fact is that they didn't do much recording in open G yet, and what is recorded in open G was done by Ry Cooder (Downtown Suzie, Memo from Turner, Sister Morphine).
Keith mostly had recorded in open D (Child of the Moon, Jumping Jack Flash, Stray Cat, Street FM etc.) or open E (Prodigal Son, Jigsaw Puzzle, No Expectations, YCAGWYW). The first open G recordings were done by Brian Jones (Little Red Rooster), and Ry Cooder (Sister Morphine). Keith didn't start with open G until mid-1969, when they recorded Honky Tonk, Jiving Sister Fanny and I Don't Know Why, I'm Going Down in October and in December 1969 Brown Sugar.
Mathijs
Fact is that they didn't do much recording in open G yet, and what is recorded in open G was done by Ry Cooder (Downtown Suzie, Memo from Turner, Sister Morphine).
Keith mostly had recorded in open D (Child of the Moon, Jumping Jack Flash, Stray Cat, Street FM etc.) or open E (Prodigal Son, Jigsaw Puzzle, No Expectations, YCAGWYW). The first open G recordings were done by Brian Jones (Little Red Rooster), and Ry Cooder (Sister Morphine). Keith didn't start with open G until mid-1969, when they recorded Honky Tonk, Jiving Sister Fanny and I Don't Know Why, I'm Going Down in October and in December 1969 Brown Sugar.
Mathijs
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Christian
()
Date: December 31, 2006 14:51
Mathijs Wrote:
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> Keith's part of Love in Vain is NOT open G tuning,
> it's standard tuning.
Correct, here's the tab
>
If someone has tabbed Mick taylor solo, please post it
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> Keith's part of Love in Vain is NOT open G tuning,
> it's standard tuning.
Correct, here's the tab
>
If someone has tabbed Mick taylor solo, please post it
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
drummer_dude
()
Date: December 31, 2006 21:02
SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically was open G
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
His Majesty
()
Date: December 31, 2006 21:45
drummer_dude Wrote:
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> SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is
> throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick
> Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically
> was open G
No!
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> SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is
> throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick
> Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically
> was open G
No!
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
()
Date: December 31, 2006 23:01
drummer_dude Wrote:
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> SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is
> throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick
> Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically
> was open G
I don't believe you......I dunno why people are saying this......but I guess you can believe what you want......I know how its' played......Keith's part is simple but it ain't in open G.....
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> SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is
> throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick
> Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically
> was open G
I don't believe you......I dunno why people are saying this......but I guess you can believe what you want......I know how its' played......Keith's part is simple but it ain't in open G.....
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: January 1, 2007 00:17
drummer_dude Wrote:
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> SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is
> throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick
> Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically
> was open G
I have listend well many times and I have to say that you are incorrect. Remember Keith used the Dan Armstrong for this song during the '69 tour which was always tuned to standard. The guitars he used for songs performed in alternate tunings were the Bigsby Les Paul (Honky Tonk Women) and the 3 Pickup Les Paul Custom (Jumpin Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man)
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> SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith is
> throwing you all off key. Listen to it good. Mick
> Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith basically
> was open G
I have listend well many times and I have to say that you are incorrect. Remember Keith used the Dan Armstrong for this song during the '69 tour which was always tuned to standard. The guitars he used for songs performed in alternate tunings were the Bigsby Les Paul (Honky Tonk Women) and the 3 Pickup Les Paul Custom (Jumpin Jack Flash, Street Fighting Man)
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Luke33
()
Date: January 1, 2007 13:41
correct, any song keith did with his plexiglass guitar = "normal" tuning.
at Altamont (the only show we see with SFTD played) it's plexiglass...
at Altamont (the only show we see with SFTD played) it's plexiglass...
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: January 1, 2007 13:53
ChrisM Wrote:
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> drummer_dude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> > Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith
> is
> > throwing you all off key. Listen to it good.
> Mick
> > Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith
> basically
> > was open G
>
> I have listend well many times and I have to say
> that you are incorrect. Remember Keith used the
> Dan Armstrong for this song during the '69 tour
> which was always tuned to standard. The guitars he
> used for songs performed in alternate tunings were
> the Bigsby Les Paul (Honky Tonk Women) and the 3
> Pickup Les Paul Custom (Jumpin Jack Flash, Street
> Fighting Man)
Except for one track: he played Brown Sugar on the Dan Armstrong. You can hear Keith tune down before the song!
By the way, playing the rythm part of Sympathy in open G, including the pentatonic counter patterns and the solo, would be a hell of a job, I don't think I myself could technically handle that.
Mathijs
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> drummer_dude Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part and
> > Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith
> is
> > throwing you all off key. Listen to it good.
> Mick
> > Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith
> basically
> > was open G
>
> I have listend well many times and I have to say
> that you are incorrect. Remember Keith used the
> Dan Armstrong for this song during the '69 tour
> which was always tuned to standard. The guitars he
> used for songs performed in alternate tunings were
> the Bigsby Les Paul (Honky Tonk Women) and the 3
> Pickup Les Paul Custom (Jumpin Jack Flash, Street
> Fighting Man)
Except for one track: he played Brown Sugar on the Dan Armstrong. You can hear Keith tune down before the song!
By the way, playing the rythm part of Sympathy in open G, including the pentatonic counter patterns and the solo, would be a hell of a job, I don't think I myself could technically handle that.
Mathijs
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
drummer_dude
()
Date: January 1, 2007 18:59
Ok I am sorry I have listened to SFTD on GYYYO again and Keith is definitely in standard tuning both he and Mick Taylor. My mistake sorry. Happy New Year to all of you.
drummer_dude
drummer_dude
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
Tumblin_Dice_07
()
Date: January 1, 2007 20:16
drummer_dude Wrote:
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> Ok I am sorry I have listened to SFTD on GYYYO
> again and Keith is definitely in standard tuning
> both he and Mick Taylor. My mistake sorry. Happy
> New Year to all of you.
>
> drummer_dude
uh.......you know what man? You're alright. So many people hate to admit that they're wrong about anything.
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> Ok I am sorry I have listened to SFTD on GYYYO
> again and Keith is definitely in standard tuning
> both he and Mick Taylor. My mistake sorry. Happy
> New Year to all of you.
>
> drummer_dude
uh.......you know what man? You're alright. So many people hate to admit that they're wrong about anything.
Re: Keith's tuning in SFTD on GYYYO
Posted by:
ChrisM
()
Date: January 2, 2007 04:34
Mathijs Wrote:
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> ChrisM Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > drummer_dude Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part
> and
> > > Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith
> > is
> > > throwing you all off key. Listen to it good.
> > Mick
> > > Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith
> > basically
> > > was open G
> >
> > I have listend well many times and I have to
> say
> > that you are incorrect. Remember Keith used the
> > Dan Armstrong for this song during the '69 tour
> > which was always tuned to standard. The guitars
> he
> > used for songs performed in alternate tunings
> were
> > the Bigsby Les Paul (Honky Tonk Women) and the
> 3
> > Pickup Les Paul Custom (Jumpin Jack Flash,
> Street
> > Fighting Man)
>
>
> Except for one track: he played Brown Sugar on the
> Dan Armstrong. You can hear Keith tune down before
> the song!
>
> By the way, playing the rythm part of Sympathy in
> open G, including the pentatonic counter patterns
> and the solo, would be a hell of a job, I don't
> think I myself could technically handle that.
>
> Mathijs
I did not notice that before but I'll give it another listen. But why retune the Dan Armstrong when he could have used the Bigsby Les Paul or even the Les Paul Custom without the capo? Curious...
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> ChrisM Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > drummer_dude Wrote:
> >
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> > -----
> > > SFTD on GYYO Keith is doing the open G part
> and
> > > Mick Taylor is in the standard tuning . Keith
> > is
> > > throwing you all off key. Listen to it good.
> > Mick
> > > Taylor played in standard tuning. Keith
> > basically
> > > was open G
> >
> > I have listend well many times and I have to
> say
> > that you are incorrect. Remember Keith used the
> > Dan Armstrong for this song during the '69 tour
> > which was always tuned to standard. The guitars
> he
> > used for songs performed in alternate tunings
> were
> > the Bigsby Les Paul (Honky Tonk Women) and the
> 3
> > Pickup Les Paul Custom (Jumpin Jack Flash,
> Street
> > Fighting Man)
>
>
> Except for one track: he played Brown Sugar on the
> Dan Armstrong. You can hear Keith tune down before
> the song!
>
> By the way, playing the rythm part of Sympathy in
> open G, including the pentatonic counter patterns
> and the solo, would be a hell of a job, I don't
> think I myself could technically handle that.
>
> Mathijs
I did not notice that before but I'll give it another listen. But why retune the Dan Armstrong when he could have used the Bigsby Les Paul or even the Les Paul Custom without the capo? Curious...
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