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stonehearted
He was there for Sympathy, as we see in One Plus One, but got relegated to percussion as Keith was becoming very interested in developing his bass playing around that time.
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mr_dja
Once the band started using multi-track overdubs to produce tracks and ESPECIALLY once they started recording "on Keith time", Bill's presence was not always required to record the bass part for a song. I'd like to think that, for the most part, Bill was desired and preferred, but he really wasn't required or necessary.
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stonehearted
He was there for Sympathy, as we see in One Plus One, but got relegated to percussion as Keith was becoming very interested in developing his bass playing around that time.
Is that actually why KR played bass on Sympathy or just a theory of yours? I always believed it was because he wanted to lead the recording of the rhythm track for that song with the bass as opposed to guitar.
Peace,
Mr DJA
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LongBeachArena72
Have always wondered about something:
Is this an unusual amount of "A" grade songs for an essential member of the band NOT to have played on?
Ruby Tuesday
Let's Spend the Night Together
Sympathy for the Devil
Street Fighting Man
Live With Me
Happy
Rip This Joint
All Down the Line
Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Silver Train
If You Can't Rock Me
It's Only Rock'n'Roll
Crazy Mama
Some Girls
Shattered
Emotional Rescue
Hang Fire
Pretty Beat Up
Tie You Up
Maybe no big deal, to have missed that many over a LONG career. And perhaps Richards and Watts have missed some, too ... but surely not even close to as many as Bill.
Not a knock on Bill; love him; just was struck by this.
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Naturalust
he made 'em work live plenty of times.
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mr_dja
Once the band started using multi-track overdubs to produce tracks and ESPECIALLY once they started recording "on Keith time", Bill's presence was not always required to record the bass part for a song. I'd like to think that, for the most part, Bill was desired and preferred, but he really wasn't required or necessary.
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duke richardson
I wonder how he managed to not have more offspring, he was randier than all of them put together, apparently..
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triceratops
Can you really see Bill Wyman hanging around the degeneracy at Nellcote? And being available to play bass anytime at a moments notice? lol lol lol
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DandelionPowderman
Bill was great for the Stones, but using a different bass track doesn't mean that he was under-appreaciated in any way. When you're focusing on making the best album possible, you'll make decisions you think will serve the album best. Only VERY FEW times were his tracks wiped. Some times he wasn't there.
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LongBeachArena72
Have always wondered about something:
Is this an unusual amount of "A" grade songs for an essential member of the band NOT to have played on?
Ruby Tuesday
Let's Spend the Night Together
Sympathy for the Devil
Street Fighting Man
Live With Me
Happy
Rip This Joint
All Down the Line
Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Silver Train
If You Can't Rock Me
It's Only Rock'n'Roll
Crazy Mama
Some Girls
Shattered
Emotional Rescue
Hang Fire
Pretty Beat Up
Tie You Up
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mr_dja
I don't make that much of it considering:
One (if not both) of the composers/arrangers/producers of the songs could adequately play his instrument. (Does Jagger play bass?)
At any given time, 2-3 other band members could adequately play his instrument. (Again, does Jagger play bass?)
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2000 LYFH
Bill did state that Jagger screwed up the credits on EOMS and that he was on additional tracks. Anybody have the exact quote?
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lem motlow
it says what the stones themselves have been saying for years-the rolling stones are a live band.the tours and the live shows are what the stones are all about.
keith once said that he didnt think the stones had "ever been properly captured on record"- nowdays they tour and dont even bother to record.
what i'm saying is that bill was there when it really counted and thats all that matters.
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DandelionPowderman
Bill was great for the Stones, but using a different bass track doesn't mean that he was under-appreaciated in any way. When you're focusing on making the best album possible, you'll make decisions you think will serve the album best. Only VERY FEW times were his tracks wiped. Some times he wasn't there.
Exactly...and here are the number of times Jagger's lead vocal wasn't 'required':
Connection
In Another Land
Salt of the Earth (intro)
You Got The Silver
Happy
Coming Down Again
Memory Motel (~1/4 of the song)
Before They Make Me Run
All About You
Little T & A
Wanna Hold You
Sleep Tonight
Can't Be Seen
The Worst
Thru and Thru
Thief In The Night
How Can I Stop
Losing My Touch
This Place Is Empty
Infamy
Soul Survivor
We Had It All
I'm sure I missed a couple...anyone?
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OF COURSE, the best part of Gimme Shelter!
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LongBeachArena72
that's not to deny that they are not great performers, of course--they certainly are. i just think their best work has been in the studio. perhaps a minority opinion, though?
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LongBeachArena72
Have always wondered about something:
Is this an unusual amount of "A" grade songs for an essential member of the band NOT to have played on?
Ruby Tuesday
Let's Spend the Night Together
Sympathy for the Devil
Street Fighting Man
Live With Me
Happy
Rip This Joint
All Down the Line
Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker)
Silver Train
If You Can't Rock Me
It's Only Rock'n'Roll
Crazy Mama
Some Girls
Shattered
Emotional Rescue
Hang Fire
Pretty Beat Up
Tie You Up
Maybe no big deal, to have missed that many over a LONG career. And perhaps Richards and Watts have missed some, too ... but surely not even close to as many as Bill.
Not a knock on Bill; love him; just was struck by this.[/quote)
Everyone and his dog is on It's Only Rock N Roll Does he not play synth on Emotional Rescue?
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2015-01-30 16:49 by ROLLINGSTONE.