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Naturalust
If you don't like the secondary market, don't participate. I find it rather absurd that politicians are getting into this act. Of course it is market driven and speculative and I don't like it much. Just like I don't like what guitar collectors have done to the vintage guitar market. But in the end it's your choice to buy these tickets.
What I think is deceitful is the way it has corrupted the original ticket sellers. As I've posted before, I recall being 2nd in line for Stones tickets in LA back in 1989 and watching the ticket lady printing off as many tickets as she could between customers and putting them to the side. When I got my somewhat crappy seats I demanded two of the tickets she had "set aside", which she reluctantly gave me. They were much better seats that the others and I walked away feeling a bit slighted.
Luckily when we got to the gig, those two seats were in an area taken up by a lighting scaffolding and we were told to go talk to the lady by the stage and she traded us our tickets for two 2nd row center seats. Lucky day for us and besides a whining Axl Rose it was a great Stones performance.
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Naturalust
If you don't like the secondary market, don't participate. I find it rather absurd that politicians are getting into this act. Of course it is market driven and speculative and I don't like it much. Just like I don't like what guitar collectors have done to the vintage guitar market. But in the end it's your choice to buy these tickets.
What I think is deceitful is the way it has corrupted the original ticket sellers. As I've posted before, I recall being 2nd in line for Stones tickets in LA back in 1989 and watching the ticket lady printing off as many tickets as she could between customers and putting them to the side. When I got my somewhat crappy seats I demanded two of the tickets she had "set aside", which she reluctantly gave me. They were much better seats that the others and I walked away feeling a bit slighted.
Luckily when we got to the gig, those two seats were in an area taken up by a lighting scaffolding and we were told to go talk to the lady by the stage and she traded us our tickets for two 2nd row center seats. Lucky day for us and besides a whining Axl Rose it was a great Stones performance.
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Participate ? Most of the ticket buying public do not have a @#$%& choice in the matter, do they ? Why ? Because they are denied a fair crack at tickets themselves when they are supposedly initially put on sale by the primary vendors, due to all the malpractice and lack of transparency.
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Naturalust
If you don't like the secondary market, don't participate. I find it rather absurd that politicians are getting into this act. Of course it is market driven and speculative and I don't like it much. Just like I don't like what guitar collectors have done to the vintage guitar market. But in the end it's your choice to buy these tickets.
What I think is deceitful is the way it has corrupted the original ticket sellers. As I've posted before, I recall being 2nd in line for Stones tickets in LA back in 1989 and watching the ticket lady printing off as many tickets as she could between customers and putting them to the side. When I got my somewhat crappy seats I demanded two of the tickets she had "set aside", which she reluctantly gave me. They were much better seats that the others and I walked away feeling a bit slighted.
Luckily when we got to the gig, those two seats were in an area taken up by a lighting scaffolding and we were told to go talk to the lady by the stage and she traded us our tickets for two 2nd row center seats. Lucky day for us and besides a whining Axl Rose it was a great Stones performance.
peace
Participate ? Most of the ticket buying public do not have a @#$%& choice in the matter, do they ? Why ? Because they are denied a fair crack at tickets themselves when they are supposedly initially put on sale by the primary vendors, due to all the malpractice and lack of transparency.
Agree 100% Pauly......It's all rigged. The Who tour sold out all the best seats instantly back in the summer. Some "fan" and 5 of his friends are washing their hair on Saturday so can't make it and are having to "let the tickets go" on Get me in. Luckily if it's not the Stones I don't panic,so you'll be pleased to hear I've waited long enough for them to "take a bath" at 25% below face ....gives me a warm glow inside when that happens.
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If you don't like the secondary market, don't participate. I find it rather absurd that politicians are getting into this act. Of course it is market driven and speculative and I don't like it much. Just like I don't like what guitar collectors have done to the vintage guitar market. But in the end it's your choice to buy these tickets.
What I think is deceitful is the way it has corrupted the original ticket sellers. As I've posted before, I recall being 2nd in line for Stones tickets in LA back in 1989 and watching the ticket lady printing off as many tickets as she could between customers and putting them to the side. When I got my somewhat crappy seats I demanded two of the tickets she had "set aside", which she reluctantly gave me. They were much better seats that the others and I walked away feeling a bit slighted.
Luckily when we got to the gig, those two seats were in an area taken up by a lighting scaffolding and we were told to go talk to the lady by the stage and she traded us our tickets for two 2nd row center seats. Lucky day for us and besides a whining Axl Rose it was a great Stones performance.
peace
Participate ? Most of the ticket buying public do not have a @#$%& choice in the matter, do they ? Why ? Because they are denied a fair crack at tickets themselves when they are supposedly initially put on sale by the primary vendors, due to all the malpractice and lack of transparency.
Agree 100% Pauly......It's all rigged. The Who tour sold out all the best seats instantly back in the summer. Some "fan" and 5 of his friends are washing their hair on Saturday so can't make it and are having to "let the tickets go" on Get me in. Luckily if it's not the Stones I don't panic,so you'll be pleased to hear I've waited long enough for them to "take a bath" at 25% below face ....gives me a warm glow inside when that happens.
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I agree that malpractice and lack of transparency is not right. Maybe I am even wrong and it's time for some laws and criminal repercussions for people and organizations that perpetuate these scams, you obviously know more about it than me and I would probably be even more angry if I knew more about the details of how this crap happens. "Clever software" that buys large amounts of tickets should definitely be outlawed.
But we always have a choice and as sc uk points out, when he (and lots of others) made the choice to not participate, the demand for the Who tickets went down to a point where they were LESS than face value.
Obviously if lots of people want or need something that is limited in supply, the value and price of that will go up. In a free market based society that's just how it works. If it wasn't malpractice by large organizations it would be "fans" who decided that the $1000+ they could get for their tickets was more valuable to them than seeing the show. Just like the demand for illegal drugs creates the huge profits and violence in world, your need for good tickets creates the secondary ticket market problem.
But like I said I agree completely that the organizations originally selling the tickets, per their agreement with the promoters and artists, should have no part in this and all tickets should be available on a first come first serve basis and that secondary market sellers should have accountability and transparency. Personally I don't need any ticket bad enough to help perpetuate this crap so my choice not to participate is easier to make.
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Maybe Paulywaul has been caught out? Which would account for the passion...I'm still reeling from the "3,600 invalid and counterfeit" tickets at the O2. This is virtually 10 a day every day (and of course I don't think they've got a big gig every day).
Those poor individuals will lose all travel costs and have perhaps taken accommodation (in London) and ...more to the point...will not see whatever it was they have paid premium price to see. Yes they get their money back for the ticket as they have bought through the quote big 4 re-sellers unquote but it's hard to see how these companies can have any credibility if (on average) every night there are 10 confrontations at the gate between people holding these counterfeit and invalid tickets and security staff.
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Here's an example, looking on Wednesday 10th December for the WHO tickets at the O2 Arena for Wednesday 17th ....... block 112. NO row or seat numbers quoted.
So where the f**k within the entire block 112 are these seats ?
[www.seatwave.com]
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"Don't understand. What do you mean caught out ? I've never allowed myself to fall foul of any of the operators in the secondary market, I'm not that stupid or desperate."
Smile...no I don't think you are stupid or desperate Pauly and unlikely to be dumb enough to get caught out. But you might be unlucky. My point is I'm just staggered that 3600 people every year (and this just at the O2 London) are dumb enough or just plain unlucky. I make that 10 people every night (and this is assuming there is a sold out concert every night of the year)
I'm struggling to believe this statistic because if it's correct I'm just imagining all the clashes with security staff every night from these poor people, believing they have a valid ticket bought from StubHub Viagogo etc and then being turned away