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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
According to Urban Dictionary a Starbucker is "A person that sits inside of a Starbucks and is there only to look intelligent or stylish." ><
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
According to Urban Dictionary a Starbucker is "A person that sits inside of a Starbucks and is there only to look intelligent or stylish." ><
I suppose you could say that this was a "Starbucker"!
Stones Dig Up Rarities For Starbucks CD
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DandelionPowderman
Obviously, the Stones didn't think of it as a throwaway, since they played it in 72, 75, 76, 78, 81, 2002 and 2003.
I don't find Keith's playing on it uninspired, but I find the rhythm guitar a little too straight - much in the vein of other bands playing rock. One of the reasons why the Stones is my favourite band has to do with how they approach laying down the rhythm tracks.
There are many things I don't like about the studio version: The sound of the guitars, the overall lack of energy etc.
But in no way would I ever criticise the Stones for using the most robust template in rock history to create a song. IMO, it's the execution and the performance that isn't clicking, not the song per se. On LYL it's up there with the El Mocambo numbers, imo.
Once again, it's not degrading in any way musically, to make straight rhythm and blues/real rock'n'roll songs. A 12 bar boogie is not a joke before you make it a joke. And if there is a joke here, it's strongly connected to Mick's words, not the music
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
I still have that songbook Doxa.
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
I still have that songbook Doxa.
Me too. Mick and Keith on the cover - 78-ish?
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
I still have that songbook Doxa.
Me too. Mick and Keith on the cover - 78-ish?
Actually mine looked like this:
There is a second volume two too, covering 1972-78, if I recall right. I wonder where my copies are now...
- Doxa
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camper88
Doxa,
I see your point, but aside from "the way I held the microphone," Spider and the Fly could be about any relationship or nearly any night out whereas Star Star is a sustained narrative about the jet set life, complete with colourful references to the rich and famous. It's explicitly self-reflexive in a way that no other Stones song had been before it--even I'm Going Home, where the character in the song could be anyone who's "spent too much time away." The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man is close--as far as its about the industry--but even TUAWCPM doesn't break the forth wall in the way that Star Star does.
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Doxa
Well, the South African version can be called "Star Star" with a justification... The chorus really goes "Star... Star... Star... Star..."
Anyway, I recall in a Rolling Stones song book I once had back in the 80's, the chorus was written "Starbucker... Starbucker... Starbucker..." What does "starbucker" mean?
- Doxa
I still have that songbook Doxa.
Me too. Mick and Keith on the cover - 78-ish?
Actually mine looked like this:
There is a second volume two too, covering 1972-78, if I recall right. I wonder where my copies are now...
- Doxa
that was the exact cover I had!
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Doxa
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I think the genious of the Stones, and Keith in particular, was their use of Berry as a starting point for their own original music. There is a lot of Berry in the DNA of their own compositions, such as "Midnight Rambler" and the songs Dandie listed above. Sometimes the original source of inspiration is hided so cleverly that we cannot even recognize it so easily, because the songs sound so original. But with "Star Star" they don't sound like any longer getting outside from Berry land to conquer new fields, but instead copying the master directly. Like not looking outside from Berry but from outside to Berry. And to my ears, don't sound inspired at all. My guess is that it is a bit too easy for them, taking that copying his songs was the first thing they ever did. It is too easy route for them that they can't take it any longer too seriously. A bit like if one is just graduated, he or she is brought back to grammar school... Compared to EXILE rockers, there is a sort of creative 'let's give up', retro feeling in "Star Star". But since Berry is so outfront, I take that to be a some kind of musical statement - they want to do a Berry pastishe, and not even trying anything else. So there is some point there, I hope. Is that lazy rock'n'roll I don't know...
- Doxa
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camper88
Doxa,
I see your point, but aside from "the way I held the microphone," Spider and the Fly could be about any relationship or nearly any night out whereas Star Star is a sustained narrative about the jet set life, complete with colourful references to the rich and famous. It's explicitly self-reflexive in a way that no other Stones song had been before it--even I'm Going Home, where the character in the song could be anyone who's "spent too much time away." The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man is close--as far as its about the industry--but even TUAWCPM doesn't break the forth wall in the way that Star Star does.
I find this significant because it's a far ways from the blues (a genre that hits you at the level of common experience and suffering) to get to self-reflexive or pastiche of foundational forms of rock 'n roll. The challenge is that once you get too self-relflexive stuff it's hard to go back to being perceived as "authentic." or true. It's as if Star Star is serves as a song to announce the shift from Classic to Revisionist in a genre context.
For convenience sake I'll argue that the Stones have four phases of development:
1. Experimental (ending around Beggars)
2. Classic (starting with JJF)
3. Revisionist (starting with GHS)
4. Baroque (starting with ER)
All dates are approximate lines in the sand--for example TY may be more of a revisionist work than a baroque one. Had they continued to work Start Me Up as a Reggae song it may have been more baroque. But I digress . . . Star Star sits as an example of heightened self-awareness, self-consciously reworking familiar forms, and a potentially mocking or parodic tone. As well, only after Star Star do we really get more of this kind of perspective and self-mocking or parody in songs like Some Girls, Respectable, Far Away Eyes, or IORR, etc.
Cheers,
Camper
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we're all forgetting Play With Fire as being one of, if not the first Stones' lyrics, in first person narrative, about the rock star life.
I don't challenge the idea that PWF has a biographical element to it, but I don't see the lyrics reflecting the rock star life, just a monied life on the part of a society girl. It's impossible or at least hard to say that there's an explicit link to a rock and roll singer/ musician in the lyrics themselves.
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Silver Dagger
So who's it about then? Carly Simon was the name on everybody's lips at the time.
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mighty stork
I always thought it was about a groupie or groupies in general.
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camper88
Doxa,
I see your point, but aside from "the way I held the microphone," Spider and the Fly could be about any relationship or nearly any night out whereas Star Star is a sustained narrative about the jet set life, complete with colourful references to the rich and famous. It's explicitly self-reflexive in a way that no other Stones song had been before it--even I'm Going Home, where the character in the song could be anyone who's "spent too much time away." The Under Assistant West Coast Promotion Man is close--as far as its about the industry--but even TUAWCPM doesn't break the forth wall in the way that Star Star does.
I find this significant because it's a far ways from the blues (a genre that hits you at the level of common experience and suffering) to get to self-reflexive or pastiche of foundational forms of rock 'n roll. The challenge is that once you get too self-relflexive stuff it's hard to go back to being perceived as "authentic." or true. It's as if Star Star is serves as a song to announce the shift from Classic to Revisionist in a genre context.
For convenience sake I'll argue that the Stones have four phases of development:
1. Experimental (ending around Beggars)
2. Classic (starting with JJF)
3. Revisionist (starting with GHS)
4. Baroque (starting with ER)
All dates are approximate lines in the sand--for example TY may be more of a revisionist work than a baroque one. Had they continued to work Start Me Up as a Reggae song it may have been more baroque. But I digress . . . Star Star sits as an example of heightened self-awareness, self-consciously reworking familiar forms, and a potentially mocking or parodic tone. As well, only after Star Star do we really get more of this kind of perspective and self-mocking or parody in songs like Some Girls, Respectable, Far Away Eyes, or IORR, etc.
Cheers,
Camper
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June 30th 1975 Philadelphia "Star Star'
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treaclefingers
just think of the money they could have made if they'd called this song Star Trek instead. At every Trekkie convention this would have formed the soundtrack:
Yeah, Uhura got mad with you, for giving head to Captain Kirk...yeah, you were Star Trekker Star Trekker Star Trekker Star Trekker Starrrr...!
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BOW2007
Doo Doo Doo Doo Doo (Heartbreaker) is the best song from GHS.
Nobody talks about this song from GHS.