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Going back to the intro quotes,I feel the recent official release may have been edited.
The WWTCTS quote was definitely made,a bootleg album was named after it.Infact the whole quote went something like "WWTCTS,did Billy go to church,did Billy go to church,he just woke up in there from last night".Or something very similar.Even the "desperate tune up twins" bit doesn't seem complete as I remember it.
Someone needs to dig out the vinyl and compare.I used to have the 3 album box set on red,white and blue vinyl,but,take a deep breath,it disappeared when my parents moved house.

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I think people are a little too excited to get the facts straight here. Which night is the one we've been watching on crappy, dark, audio challenged DVD boots all these years? I'd hesitate to say that was professionally filmed. Wasn't it determined that this was the internal video feed that the L.A. Forum used mainly for sporting events?

Is this upcoming DVD release a different night?

The bootleg is from the 11th, this is listed as the 12th.
The show we have on boot was filmed on videotape from the internal feed as you stated. There were some offical clips on youtube (from the 11th) when the audio releases came out and they looked pretty good considering the source. Much better than the multi-gen dub we have on bootleg.
Even A grainy videotaped LA 75 show with decent audio will still be an incredible release.

Here's the official "Happy" from the 11th

[www.rollingstones.com]

I have never heard anything about the footage from the 12th. Has anybody here ever seen any of it? Has any of it leaked online? It seems so unlikely that we could have an entirely pro-filmed concert from 1975. I've never read anything about this footage. If this is true, then it would be like a dream. I hope there's more to it than just a 98% focus on Jagger, like on L&GTRS. It always seemed so unfair that their most visual tour, the lotus stage of 1975, was never seen by a mass audience. And why release Hampton & LA '75 so close together? It'll make for a great Christmas, but they could have stretched it out a bit.

The date(s) seems to be an interesting subject. I worked with Annie Liebovitz, the Tour photographer, at the Jul 9 - 13 1975 LA shows. I attended all but the Sat Jul 12 show, when I was putting up prints Annie had shot of all the venues they had played to date for an after-concert party at nearby home.

Unless I have lost more of my mental faculties than I am aware, the only night a pro crew shot a show was Sun Jul 13. I remember Mick stepping on his mic cord during the opening of BS, and it's on the new 'From the Vaults' Forum DVD. So I'm quite sure the DVD is the Jul 13 show. Not Sat the 12th or Fri the 11th. BTW...this show was available for a limited time in the mid-late 1970s on 3/4" Umatic videocassette (the predecessor to Beta and VHS). I saw it for sale at a high end audio / video store in Beverly Hills.

The Jul 13 show was a full-blown video shoot, using Don Kirschners' Rock Concert mobile unit, multiple cameras, and a separate truck to record the audio. I could be wrong...I am getting old...but Sun was the only night all that gear was there and in use. It would have been hard to miss on the other nights.

The audio on the DVD is not from the 13th. Or do you mean that what they released as the July 13th show (earlier and now) is misdated?

In respect to the show on 13th we have an intrinsic argument for dating. Mick Jagger asked the question immediately before the beginning of TD: "Who went to church this Sunday?" That makes only sense on a Sunday. The only show in LA 75 which took place on a Sunday was on the 13th.

I watched the lead in, and end of, TD from the 1975 Forum show. I didn't hear the 'going to church line'. I do recall a line like that in Some Girls Live Texas 1978.

I also watched the first part of BS LA 1975 again. Mick steps on his mic cord while walking toward the back of the stage. I remember seeing him do so while standing behind the stage near Stu's concert grand and Preston's keyboard. I thought then that Mick would probably be upset with himself...having a miscue with a cable while on TV. Unprofessional. Funny that I can remember that. Half the time I can't remember what I did this morning.

Dear mate, you can't watch that, precisely because the question: "Who went to church this Sunday? is only on the CD. And the both CDs feature obviously a different concert ...[/quote
Thanks for the heads up. I haven't played the 1975 Forum Vault CD yet.. They could have lifted that line from almost anywhere.

Some people have written that this is not necessarily the Stones at their best. Can't argue with that. But this show, Ladies and Gentlemen, and Some Girls TX fill out the live gap between Gimme Shelter and Let's Spend the Night Together (and GYYYO and Still Life). Ladies and Gentlemen and the TOTA Forum show are technically lacking, but they are must-have performances for Stones freaks. The Some Girls DVD is a shit kicker. I'm amazed it took them as long as it did to release it.

BTW...speaking of Gimme Shelter, a friend and I looked up the set list from the 2nd Dec 8 1969 Forum show, took the remaster of GYYYO, inserted the unreleased tracks from the GYYYO boxed set, and came up with Get All Your Ya Ya's Out. The complete 15 song set the way those of us who stayed up until sunrise Dec 9 1969 experienced it. Not hard to do with basic editing software. Try it. You might like it.

I think there's a case for GYYYO being the best commercially released live Stones recording ever. (Not counting Brussels Oct 17 1973). Simple. Basic shake-your-ass rock & roll. I can't imagine what the people who were at MSG thought when they may have been expecting to hear the Stones play their successful commercial stuff, and instead were assaulted with the bluesy, guitar driven rock & roll set we're all used to hearing in GYYYO...JJF, Ya Gott'a Move, Midnight Rambler, Honky Tonk Women, Prodigal Son...Wow!

If you get a chance, read Jimmy Johnson's account of the Dec 1969 Mussel Shoals recording sessions. They were completely under the radar. Glyn Johns wasn't there, so Johnson, a Mussel Shoals Sound Studio founder and member of the resident rhythm section, engineered them. They walked away with Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, and Ya Gott'a Move under their arms. Three tunes, two of them iconic recordings, in three days. It shows what a band that is on fire can do with a 8-track tape machine and a 10-channel console.

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1969 quote " The Some Girls DVD is a shit kicker "
You know '69 I've had that DVD for some time now and I haven't been able to get thru maybe a quarter of it 'cause Jagger was acting so gay around Ronnie it just turned me.
If you can tell me he stops acting like that not long after and the show does be come a shit kicker instead of a shit packer I may try to watch it thru.
Let me know.
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If you get a chance, read Jimmy Johnson's account of the Dec 1969 Mussel Shoals recording sessions. They were completely under the radar. Glyn Johns wasn't there, so Johnson, a Mussel Shoals Sound Studio founder and member of the resident rhythm section, engineered them. They walked away with Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, and Ya Gott'a Move under their arms. Three tunes, two of them iconic recordings, in three days. It shows what a band that is on fire can do with a 8-track tape machine and a 10-channel console.

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If you get a chance, read Jimmy Johnson's account of the Dec 1969 Mussel Shoals recording sessions. They were completely under the radar. Glyn Johns wasn't there, so Johnson, a Mussel Shoals Sound Studio founder and member of the resident rhythm section, engineered them. They walked away with Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, and Ya Gott'a Move under their arms. Three tunes, two of them iconic recordings, in three days. It shows what a band that is on fire can do with a 8-track tape machine and a 10-channel console.

Well it shows what Jimmy Johnson can do with a band that is on fire and an 8-track tape machine and 10 channel console.

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If you get a chance, read Jimmy Johnson's account of the Dec 1969 Mussel Shoals recording sessions. They were completely under the radar. Glyn Johns wasn't there, so Johnson, a Mussel Shoals Sound Studio founder and member of the resident rhythm section, engineered them. They walked away with Brown Sugar, Wild Horses, and Ya Gott'a Move under their arms. Three tunes, two of them iconic recordings, in three days. It shows what a band that is on fire can do with a 8-track tape machine and a 10-channel console.

Well it shows what Jimmy Johnson can do with a band that is on fire and an 8-track tape machine and 10 channel console.

peace

Johnson said he went outside and sat down on the front stoop of the studio around 2am the first night...when the band had found its groove. He said the building was vibrating, and that he's never experienced anything like working with the Stones since.

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He said the building was vibrating

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He said the building was vibrating

Could the vibrations come from Keef's Twin amp blaring in the night at full volume? Reportedly he tracked his guitar parts for BS at a very high volume.

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He said the building was vibrating

Could the vibrations come from Keef's Twin amp blaring in the night at full volume? Reportedly he tracked his guitar parts for BS at a very high volume.

But not with a twin?

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You can read the Jagger's words here:


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I just listen to the audio. I don't watch the DVD.

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Only a couple of days ago did I buy the LA Forum DVD. Loved it cos they fixed the sound. I just listen to the audio. I don't watch the DVD. Stereo mix greatly improved my perception of this show be it the 11th or 12th. Jann Wenner raved about the July 11th show in Rolling Stone at the time. I never heard what he liked listening to the old boot DVD but the home DVD release was way better than I anticipated. Having said that I think Keith is too low in the mix but I am quibbling

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Only a couple of days ago did I buy the LA Forum DVD. Loved it cos they fixed the sound. I just listen to the audio. I don't watch the DVD. Stereo mix greatly improved my perception of this show be it the 11th or 12th. Jann Wenner raved about the July 11th show in Rolling Stone at the time. I never heard what he liked listening to the old boot DVD but the home DVD release was way better than I anticipated. Having said that I think Keith is too low in the mix but I am quibbling

Keith is definitely not too low in the mix?

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Only a couple of days ago did I buy the LA Forum DVD. Loved it cos they fixed the sound. I just listen to the audio. I don't watch the DVD. Stereo mix greatly improved my perception of this show be it the 11th or 12th. Jann Wenner raved about the July 11th show in Rolling Stone at the time. I never heard what he liked listening to the old boot DVD but the home DVD release was way better than I anticipated. Having said that I think Keith is too low in the mix but I am quibbling

Keith is definitely not too low in the mix?

That is surprising, in fact. It is my impression that Keith is a little bit too prominent on the DVD and thus Ronnie a little bit too low. I like more the mix from the 13th. It is perfect in my opinion.

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Jann Wenner raved about the July 11th show in Rolling Stone at the time.