Here's one: We all know what a great multi-instrumentalist Brian was. But did he ever play bass on a Stones track? It was not unusual for Keith, Taylor, or Ronnie to play bass, but Brian?

Bill never missed a session back then..

In fact Keith played bass on a track
from TSMR.

But as far as I remember Brian
never did.



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Phelge's book mentions Brian fooling around with Bill's bass when they used to leave their equipment some times at the apartment Mick/Keith/Brian shared. It was intimated that Brian was considering taking up the bass so they could dump Bill and become a quartet, ala the Beatles. There is no indication that anything ever came of it, or that Brian ever had any interest in playing bass.

Brian never would have played bass on a Stones record for the simple reason that there was no way of distinguishing himself in this capacity, no way of coloring or decorating a song in a distinctive way as with, for instance, Paint It Black or Lady Jane.

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Phelge's book mentions Brian fooling around with Bill's bass when they used to leave their equipment some times at the apartment Mick/Keith/Brian shared. It was intimated that Brian was considering taking up the bass so they could dump Bill and become a quartet, ala the Beatles. There is no indication that anything ever came of it, or that Brian ever had any interest in playing bass.

Dump Bill and become a quartet, means Bill would take his Bass and amplifier with him and then you have a band without a Bass and Amplifier

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LOL...Plus Bill sung back up a lot back then..

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Brian never would have played bass on a Stones record for the simple reason that there was no way of distinguishing himself in this capacity, no way of coloring or decorating a song in a distinctive way as with, for instance, Paint It Black or Lady Jane.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt: all of the Stones were equally talented when Brian was with them.

Which TSMR track did Keith play bass on?
As far as I know, the first song Bill didn't play on (as a whole band), was Let's Spend The Night Together.

2000 Lights years.
Keith plays bass!

Bill also plays on this song to but on synthesizer.



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Phelge's book mentions Brian fooling around with Bill's bass when they used to leave their equipment some times at the apartment Mick/Keith/Brian shared. It was intimated that Brian was considering taking up the bass so they could dump Bill and become a quartet, ala the Beatles. There is no indication that anything ever came of it, or that Brian ever had any interest in playing bass.

Dump Bill and become a quartet, means Bill would take his Bass and amplifier with him and then you have a band without a Bass and Amplifier

And no cigarettes either!

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LOL...Plus Bill sung back up a lot back then..

oh yes, how could they possibly have filled that gap?

This is apparently from the RCA/LA Buttons sessions:



I've also seen a shot (from the Barbara Charone book that came out in the early '80s, I think) of Keith in a studio booth playing a P-Bass. It looks like it's from around the same time (late '66/Buttons) - he's got the moddish haircut and the round, mirrored shades seen here:



Not sure if the latter pic I described was from RCA or Olympic, but it certainly looked like he was laying down a track (unlike the top one, where he could very well be tuning the thing). Does anyone know if "LSTNT" has a P-Bass sound to it?

I understand he played bass on a studio version of UMT, Obviously, he couldn't play it live.

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I understand he played bass on a studio version of UMT, Obviously, he couldn't play it live.

you mean in 1981?

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I understand he played bass on a studio version of UMT, Obviously, he couldn't play it live.

you mean in 1981?

Meaning I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll shut up now.

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2000 Lights years.
Keith plays bass!

Bill also plays on this song to but on synthesizer.

Must have been Mellotron. Don't think synths were available yet in '67.

<<Don't think synths were available yet in '67.>>

They were--the Doors used one on their second album (Strange Days) recorded that year, and are considered the first in rock to feature the use of one ina studio recording. The Monkees also incorporated one that year. And, according to the Moog Foundation, some obscure band called The Rolling Stones on an album known as Their Satanic Majesties Request: [moogfoundation.org]

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<<Don't think synths were available yet in '67.>>

They were--the Doors used one on their second album (Strange Days) recorded that year, and are considered the first in rock to feature the use of one ina studio recording. The Monkees also incorporated one that year. And, according to the Moog Foundation, some obscure band called The Rolling Stones on an album known as Their Satanic Majesties Request: [moogfoundation.org]

The Stones beat The Beatles to something?! Beatles didn't use one until 1969 (Abbey Road).

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<<Don't think synths were available yet in '67.>>

They were--the Doors used one on their second album (Strange Days) recorded that year, and are considered the first in rock to feature the use of one ina studio recording. The Monkees also incorporated one that year. And, according to the Moog Foundation, some obscure band called The Rolling Stones on an album known as Their Satanic Majesties Request: [moogfoundation.org]

Two Monkees tracks, Daily Nightly and Star Collecter, are the first use of of a synth on a pop/rock record. Those tunes and the Doors' song were recorded at about the same time (in Los Angeles and assisted by Paul Beaver), so ideas were going back and forth, I think. Dolenz got his at the Monterey Pop Festival.
Dolenz played it on Daily Nightly (the whoops and sci-fi sounds), and Beaver played it on Star Collecter (playing it like a regular keyboard).

Brian on Mellotron on 2000 Light Years. Bill on bass.

The Doors are credited because theirs was released first (September 25) and the album by the Monkees came a bit later (November 6). The basis of this is being the first to expose the public to these new sounds in terms of pop/rock. As for exact recording dates of the tracks in question, that I don't know.

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The Doors are credited because theirs was released first (September 25) and the album by the Monkees came a bit later (November 6). The basis of this is being the first to expose the public to these new sounds in terms of pop/rock. As for exact recording dates of the tracks in question, that I don't know.

Where did George Harrison's Electronic Sounds fall in this timeline?

I believe the first official Stones song Bill doesn't play bass on would be Play With Fire? Brian and Charlie aren't on it either. Phil Spector on zoom bass.

Wonderwall was from 1968 (November). But I don't think that had any synth on it. It had a mellotron and a harmonium, but no Moog synth--also, lots and lots of sitars. At that point, George was really intent on pursuing Indian-flavored music. I don't think the modern synth approach to rock/pop was his thing. In the eighties, he famously commented on how "the new music leaves me shell-shocked".

It was first in one respect, in that it was the first solo album by a Beatle (and the first on the Apple label).

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2000 Lights years.
Keith plays bass!

Bill also plays on this song to but on synthesizer.

Wikipedia lists Bill as the bass player. Where are you getting the information that Keith played on it? It seems like Bill was around more than any of them at the TSMR sessions.

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The Doors are credited because theirs was released first (September 25) and the album by the Monkees came a bit later (November 6). The basis of this is being the first to expose the public to these new sounds in terms of pop/rock. As for exact recording dates of the tracks in question, that I don't know.

Beaver's track for Star Collecter was recorded on October 4, 1967. There's no date for when Dolenz recorded his track, but tapes reveal he had the idea in late June of 1967. We're splitting hairs, but I think the Monkees get the thumbs up for using it as new sounds for that time.

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Wonderwall was from 1968 (November). But I don't think that had any synth on it. It had a mellotron and a harmonium, but no Moog synth--also, lots and lots of sitars. At that point, George was really intent on pursuing Indian-flavored music. I don't think the modern synth approach to rock/pop was his thing. In the eighties, he famously commented on how "the new music leaves me shell-shocked".

It was first in one respect, in that it was the first solo album by a Beatle (and the first on the Apple label).

Wonderwall is one of my favorite records. I play it a lot. It's certainly better than Lennon's Two Virgins and his other experimental stuff (though Harrison's is music for a film). Interesting movie, too.

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The Doors are credited because theirs was released first (September 25) and the album by the Monkees came a bit later (November 6). The basis of this is being the first to expose the public to these new sounds in terms of pop/rock. As for exact recording dates of the tracks in question, that I don't know.

Where did George Harrison's Electronic Sounds fall in this timeline?

November 1968 in L.A. (when he appeared on the Smothers Brothers Show) and early 1969 (England).

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<<Don't think synths were available yet in '67.>>

They were--the Doors used one on their second album (Strange Days) recorded that year, and are considered the first in rock to feature the use of one ina studio recording. The Monkees also incorporated one that year. And, according to the Moog Foundation, some obscure band called The Rolling Stones on an album known as Their Satanic Majesties Request: [moogfoundation.org]

Two Monkees tracks, Daily Nightly and Star Collecter, are the first use of of a synth on a pop/rock record. Those tunes and the Doors' song were recorded at about the same time (in Los Angeles and assisted by Paul Beaver), so ideas were going back and forth, I think. Dolenz got his at the Monterey Pop Festival.
Dolenz played it on Daily Nightly (the whoops and sci-fi sounds), and Beaver played it on Star Collecter (playing it like a regular keyboard).

Brian on Mellotron on 2000 Light Years. Bill on bass.

What a difference a year makes in the sound of the Monkees. I actually like this!

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Wonderwall was from 1968 (November). But I don't think that had any synth on it. It had a mellotron and a harmonium, but no Moog synth--also, lots and lots of sitars. At that point, George was really intent on pursuing Indian-flavored music. I don't think the modern synth approach to rock/pop was his thing. In the eighties, he famously commented on how "the new music leaves me shell-shocked".

It was first in one respect, in that it was the first solo album by a Beatle (and the first on the Apple label).

Wonderwall was followed by Electronic Sound, which used synths. George was sued by the guy who set up the synth for him. He claimed he was recorded without his knowledge. Shades of Ry Cooder?

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<<Don't think synths were available yet in '67.>>

They were--the Doors used one on their second album (Strange Days) recorded that year, and are considered the first in rock to feature the use of one ina studio recording. The Monkees also incorporated one that year. And, according to the Moog Foundation, some obscure band called The Rolling Stones on an album known as Their Satanic Majesties Request: [moogfoundation.org]

Two Monkees tracks, Daily Nightly and Star Collecter, are the first use of of a synth on a pop/rock record. Those tunes and the Doors' song were recorded at about the same time (in Los Angeles and assisted by Paul Beaver), so ideas were going back and forth, I think. Dolenz got his at the Monterey Pop Festival.
Dolenz played it on Daily Nightly (the whoops and sci-fi sounds), and Beaver played it on Star Collecter (playing it like a regular keyboard).

Brian on Mellotron on 2000 Light Years. Bill on bass.

What a difference a year makes in the sound of the Monkees. I actually like this!

This is intereseting because it is basically a straightforward conventional guitar-based track, but with psychedilic lyrics and synth noises thrown on top. Gotta love The Monkees.