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This looks more like Chris Jagger to me (at 23:43).
The other guy looks like Haydyn Couts, and I do think he is Anita's friend (95% sure
)
Bliss,
The case that has been made pretty compellingly that it is probably not Haydn Couts -- see above -- due
to physical characteristics that don't match up between the photos of Anita's friend/Kenneth Anger's
entourage VS dude in the youtube clip...dagnabbit.
- swiss
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-21 09:58 by swiss.
Yes, that's the hyde park guy and not Haydn Couts.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-21 12:20 by Gemini.
I think he might be who ever this Invocation Of My Demon Brother - Van Leuven - Acolyte person is.
The only named character of which there seems to be nothing else about.
Where has the case been made compellingly? I admit I haven't watched the clip,
but chest hair is not immutable. Maybe the film part "needed" added chest hair.
Or maybe he shaved. I don't see a "mixed race type" in any of the photos,
and his nose/mouth look totally different in one of the side-of-stage shots than in the other -
all I can say for sure is he seems to have a penchant for scrunching his mouth up to his nose in weird ways.
The main photo we're discussing is overexposed or whatever you call it so a lot of detail is missing;
plus that "duhhh' look is pretty much the opposite of what the film director was going for.
Of course he looks different.
Meanwhile, what is the scenario in the main photo under discussion?
As HM pointed out on page 2 or so, "backstage at Hyde Park" consisted of a couple of small caravans.
Or was this actually on stage, behind the backdrops?
Where did Anita change her clothes?
There are two guys in each picture, which one are you referring to?
OK just so I am clear, you are suggesting that the guy on stage at Hyde Park is in the movie but his name is not Hayden Couts who is also in the movie? It's Haden (who plays the Adept) in the first three pictures that swiss posted on page 5. The Hyde Park guy is at 23:55 that I posted here (and which someone stated was Chris Jagger)!
Kenneth Anger ... The Magus (uncredited)
Bobby Beausoleil ... Himself (uncredited)
Donald Cammell ... Osiris (uncredited)
Haydn Couts ... Adept (uncredited)
Marianne Faithfull ... Lilith (uncredited)
Myriam Gibril ... Isis (uncredited)
Leslie Huggins ... Lucifer (uncredited)
Chris Jagger ... Man in Yellow Tunic (uncredited)
Jimmy Page ... Man Holding Stella of Revelation (uncredited)
Francis Rose ... Chaos (uncredited)
Obviously the one that isn't Kenneth Anger.
Yes. The mystery man did not recieve cast credit in Lucifer Rising possibly because his appearance was so brief. I suspect he is the Van Leuven credited as the acolyte in Invocation of my Demon Brother.
Chest hair in addition to different jaw, mouth, nose and eyes does make for a compelling argument.
Not at all, it's still clearly him in both photos I linked and clearly not the hyde park mystery man.
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Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: August 17, 2014 17:56
Quote
swiss
Has anyone watched it? I just can't stomach it right now.
This version is remastered (so it says). Anyway, I watched it, check out the guy at 23:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Looks like him to me!
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
EJM
()
Date: August 17, 2014 18:55
I think the mystery is solved - is he still alive ?
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
firebird
()
Date: August 17, 2014 19:04
Quote
2000 LYFHQuote
swiss
Has anyone watched it? I just can't stomach it right now.
This version is remastered (so it says). Anyway, I watched it, check out the guy at 23:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Looks like him to me!
This site [vintagegroupies.livejournal.com] claims that this is Chris Jagger in this scene
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: August 17, 2014 21:00
This seems very likely to be the guy the photos (scroll down)
Anita's friend
But it is not Chris Jagger as stated.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-17 21:02 by Bliss.
Anita's friend
But it is not Chris Jagger as stated.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-17 21:02 by Bliss.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: August 17, 2014 22:56
Quote
firebirdQuote
2000 LYFH
This version is remastered (so it says). Anyway, I watched it, check out the guy at 23:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Looks like him to me!
This site [vintagegroupies.livejournal.com] claims that this is Chris Jagger in this scene
This looks more like Chris Jagger to me (at 23:43).
The other guy looks like Haydyn Couts, and I do think he is Anita's friend (95% sure
)Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: August 17, 2014 23:39
Quote
2000 LYFHQuote
swiss
Has anyone watched it? I just can't stomach it right now.
This version is remastered (so it says). Anyway, I watched it, check out the guy at 23:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Looks like him to me!
Yes the guy at 23.55 does look like him.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: August 17, 2014 23:50
Yep, it's Couts. Wonder what he looks like now?
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Aquamarine
()
Date: August 18, 2014 01:23
Yay! All I had to do was to go on vacation, and you guys solve the problem! 
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 03:52
It isn't Haydn Couts. Different nose, mouth and eyes. Plus he's a hairy chest man, the Hyde Park man is more of a mixed race sort of look and lacking hairy chest right up to his neck.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: August 21, 2014 09:19
Dang 
Who the eff is it?
There must be Kenneth Anger aficionados knowlegable about who'd've been with Anger at Hyde Park, right...?
I'm using as many emoticons as I possibly can here.
Who the eff is it?
There must be Kenneth Anger aficionados knowlegable about who'd've been with Anger at Hyde Park, right...?
I'm using as many emoticons as I possibly can here.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Bliss
()
Date: August 21, 2014 09:48
So it's Haydn Couts, a Canadian motorcyclist....
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
swiss
()
Date: August 21, 2014 09:57
Quote
Bliss
So it's Haydn Couts, a Canadian motorcyclist....
Bliss,
The case that has been made pretty compellingly that it is probably not Haydn Couts -- see above -- due
to physical characteristics that don't match up between the photos of Anita's friend/Kenneth Anger's
entourage VS dude in the youtube clip...dagnabbit.
- swiss
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-21 09:58 by swiss.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 11:34
Quote
swiss
Has anyone watched it? I just can't stomach it right now.
This version is remastered (so it says). Anyway, I watched it, check out the guy at 23:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Looks like him to me!
Yes, that's the hyde park guy and not Haydn Couts.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-21 12:20 by Gemini.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: August 21, 2014 12:18
But the fact is that the bite (and nose) radius on this guy is different than the radius on Haydn. I just...I want to be sure. You want to be sure. We all want to be sure.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 12:23
Quote
swiss
Dang
Who the eff is it?
There must be Kenneth Anger aficionados knowlegable about who'd've been with Anger at Hyde Park, right...?
I'm using as many emoticons as I possibly can here.
I think he might be who ever this Invocation Of My Demon Brother - Van Leuven - Acolyte person is.
The only named character of which there seems to be nothing else about.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 21, 2014 12:41
Quote
swissQuote
Bliss
So it's Haydn Couts, a Canadian motorcyclist....
Bliss,
The case that has been made pretty compellingly that it is probably not Haydn Couts -- see above -- due
to physical characteristics that don't match up between the photos of Anita's friend/Kenneth Anger's
entourage VS dude in the youtube clip...dagnabbit.
- swiss
Where has the case been made compellingly? I admit I haven't watched the clip,
but chest hair is not immutable. Maybe the film part "needed" added chest hair.
Or maybe he shaved. I don't see a "mixed race type" in any of the photos,
and his nose/mouth look totally different in one of the side-of-stage shots than in the other -
all I can say for sure is he seems to have a penchant for scrunching his mouth up to his nose in weird ways.
The main photo we're discussing is overexposed or whatever you call it so a lot of detail is missing;
plus that "duhhh' look is pretty much the opposite of what the film director was going for.
Of course he looks different.
Meanwhile, what is the scenario in the main photo under discussion?
As HM pointed out on page 2 or so, "backstage at Hyde Park" consisted of a couple of small caravans.
Or was this actually on stage, behind the backdrops?
Where did Anita change her clothes?
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: August 21, 2014 14:49
Thanks Gemini. The quest for the holy park guy continues.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Koen
()
Date: August 21, 2014 15:27
Quote
Gemini
This is Haydn Couts.
[www.corbisimages.com]
[www.corbisimages.com]
It is not the hyde park person.
There are two guys in each picture, which one are you referring to?
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: August 21, 2014 16:32
Quote
GeminiQuote
swiss
Has anyone watched it? I just can't stomach it right now.
This version is remastered (so it says). Anyway, I watched it, check out the guy at 23:55 if you don't want to watch the whole thing. Looks like him to me!
Yes, that's the hyde park guy and not Haydn Couts.
OK just so I am clear, you are suggesting that the guy on stage at Hyde Park is in the movie but his name is not Hayden Couts who is also in the movie? It's Haden (who plays the Adept) in the first three pictures that swiss posted on page 5. The Hyde Park guy is at 23:55 that I posted here (and which someone stated was Chris Jagger)!
Kenneth Anger ... The Magus (uncredited)
Bobby Beausoleil ... Himself (uncredited)
Donald Cammell ... Osiris (uncredited)
Haydn Couts ... Adept (uncredited)
Marianne Faithfull ... Lilith (uncredited)
Myriam Gibril ... Isis (uncredited)
Leslie Huggins ... Lucifer (uncredited)
Chris Jagger ... Man in Yellow Tunic (uncredited)
Jimmy Page ... Man Holding Stella of Revelation (uncredited)
Francis Rose ... Chaos (uncredited)
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 17:14
Quote
KoenQuote
Gemini
This is Haydn Couts.
[www.corbisimages.com]
[www.corbisimages.com]
It is not the hyde park person.
There are two guys in each picture, which one are you referring to?
Obviously the one that isn't Kenneth Anger.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 17:22
Quote
2000 LYFH
OK just so I am clear, you are suggesting that the guy on stage at Hyde Park is in the movie but his name is not Hayden Couts who is also in the movie? It's Haden (who plays the Adept) in the first three pictures that swiss posted on page 5. The Hyde Park guy is at 23:55 that I posted here (and which someone stated was Chris Jagger)!
Kenneth Anger ... The Magus (uncredited)
Bobby Beausoleil ... Himself (uncredited)
Donald Cammell ... Osiris (uncredited)
Haydn Couts ... Adept (uncredited)
Marianne Faithfull ... Lilith (uncredited)
Myriam Gibril ... Isis (uncredited)
Leslie Huggins ... Lucifer (uncredited)
Chris Jagger ... Man in Yellow Tunic (uncredited)
Jimmy Page ... Man Holding Stella of Revelation (uncredited)
Francis Rose ... Chaos (uncredited)
Yes. The mystery man did not recieve cast credit in Lucifer Rising possibly because his appearance was so brief. I suspect he is the Van Leuven credited as the acolyte in Invocation of my Demon Brother.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
with sssoul
()
Date: August 21, 2014 18:01
[words of one syllable: don't mind me :E]
The guy at 23:55 doesn't look to me like the "Hyde Park guy" aka "Anita's friend".
The one in the second photo Gemini posted looks a lot more like him:
[www.corbisimages.com]
To me a little chest hair doesn't make a compelling argument :E
And if the first photo Gemini posted is the same person it just shows what a mobile face he had -
one of those types who looks different every time you shoot him.
And since it sort of got lost up there where I asked before:
Where is the "Anita's friend" photo supposed to have been taken?
Does "backstage at Hyde Park" mean in one of the caravans where the band tuned up?
Where did Anita change her clothes?
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-21 18:33 by with sssoul.
The guy at 23:55 doesn't look to me like the "Hyde Park guy" aka "Anita's friend".
The one in the second photo Gemini posted looks a lot more like him:
[www.corbisimages.com]
To me a little chest hair doesn't make a compelling argument :E
And if the first photo Gemini posted is the same person it just shows what a mobile face he had -
one of those types who looks different every time you shoot him.
And since it sort of got lost up there where I asked before:
Where is the "Anita's friend" photo supposed to have been taken?
Does "backstage at Hyde Park" mean in one of the caravans where the band tuned up?
Where did Anita change her clothes?
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2014-08-21 18:33 by with sssoul.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
2000 LYFH
()
Date: August 21, 2014 22:43
Are these 3 photos all Haydn Couts (Kenneth Anger on the left in 1st 2 photos)?
Another picture of our mystery man..
Another picture of our mystery man..
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 22:44
Quote
with sssoul
[words of one syllable: don't mind me :E]
The guy at 23:55 doesn't look to me like the "Hyde Park guy" aka "Anita's friend".
The one in the second photo Gemini posted looks a lot more like him:
[www.corbisimages.com]
To me a little chest hair doesn't make a compelling argument :E
And if the first photo Gemini posted is the same person it just shows what a mobile face he had -
one of those types who looks different every time you shoot him.
Chest hair in addition to different jaw, mouth, nose and eyes does make for a compelling argument.
Not at all, it's still clearly him in both photos I linked and clearly not the hyde park mystery man.
Re: Anita's friend?
Posted by:
Gemini
()
Date: August 21, 2014 22:50
Yes, the first 3 are Haydn Couts.
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