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Hi Dreamer:
My lips are sealed also. Just as back-up (although this time no one seems to be giving you grief!!) I concur that bags are packed, people are starting to move along. To rehearsals.
And yes, you'll be hugged and shaking hands!!
What about a 'rehearsal gig'? Ohhhhhhhh............but where? Wait and see........
Ah milady; on fire or not I hope you have a great '14!
R-gig...maybe they will not do that this time
I do hope those hardly 4 weeks of rehearsals is enough to get them on fire; it took them a little longer in the US in 2013 to play some very good shows.
Ah well they know best
London Nov 25 was all right...
They had six weeks or so before London Nov 25 of which they rehearsed almost five weeks (together).
Before Echoplex they had 2 weeks...and after that they needed 10 shows or something like that to really get the engine going.
They know that was too short
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They had six weeks or so before London Nov 25 of which they rehearsed almost five weeks (together).
Before Echoplex they had 2 weeks...and after that they needed 10 shows or something like that to really get the engine going.
They know that was too short
I didn't catch them in the US, but I understand it wasn't as black and white as you describe? The PPV-show was their nadir on the tour, from what I'm told.
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So...I say yes to the yes-sayers and to the nay-sayers.
...that is like saying "whatever.."
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Dreamer:
I understand that in your opinion the shows fluctuated in quality and you would say this was mainly the result of KR not being consistent in his playing.
Do you think this is something that would be different if he'd get 6 weeks of fulltime rehearsals under his belt ? Would anyone then be able to guarantee that he's not going to have 'off nights' or 'weak moments' ?
By the way, far be it from me to wear a white hat and pink lenses (I'm not part of the 'ecstatic crowd')...
I found the Hyde Park shows disappointing to be honest.
I do not know which concerts you attented, but I think you missed out a good part of the first ten shows.. in the US. Sorry, but I think sometimes that expectations in this forum a beyond this universe and not in any realistic presence of today.Quote
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They had six weeks or so before London Nov 25 of which they rehearsed almost five weeks (together).
Before Echoplex they had 2 weeks...and after that they needed 10 shows or something like that to really get the engine going.
They know that was too short
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You really can't wear a white hat and pink lenses all the time just because you're happy they are on the road...it's up to what you experience and every night is a different show. You have to accept opinions even if they give a black and white result; it's how the facts and the people are...never the same.
For me London 2012 was pretty good from what I saw on Youtube and what friends told me; the PPV wasn't very good but dec 13 was nice again. After the Echoplex I joined and saw the west coast shows of which three are very nice. And really... some shows I would describe as lousy. Mostly because KR was lousy. I would like to see him as good as I thought Mick was every night...and I don't like Mick more than Keith; they all have their good things.
Oh and Glasto was very nice (I saw that on tv) but not extraordinary and HP was very nice being there for what it did emotionally to me in a way but musically not more than reasonable.
When you put all opinions on iorr together you see black hats and white hats.
So...I say yes to the yes-sayers and to the nay-sayers.
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You really can't wear a white hat and pink lenses all the time just because you're happy they are on the road...it's up to what you experience and every night is a different show. You have to accept opinions even if they give a black and white result; it's how the facts and the people are...never the same.
For me London 2012 was pretty good from what I saw on Youtube and what friends told me; the PPV wasn't very good but dec 13 was nice again. After the Echoplex I joined and saw the west coast shows of which three are very nice. And really... some shows I would describe as lousy. Mostly because KR was lousy. I would like to see him as good as I thought Mick was every night...and I don't like Mick more than Keith; they all have their good things.
Oh and Glasto was very nice (I saw that on tv) but not extraordinary and HP was very nice being there for what it did emotionally to me in a way but musically not more than reasonable.
When you put all opinions on iorr together you see black hats and white hats.
So...I say yes to the yes-sayers and to the nay-sayers.
In other words, they were uneven (like always?) - not disastrous - on their first 10 shows?
I totally see the Keith-thing. He was excellent in O2 1, but some clips from the start of the US tour showed some shakyness.
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It will be a little different...
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It will be a little different...
A 3-songs MT set with tracks taken from the 68-73 period would be great : imagine one song from LIB, one from "Fingers" and one from "Exile" played in succession...
The audience would go nuts! And that would be a smarter use of MT's talents than what we saw in 2012-13 (just saying)...
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It will be a little different...
A 3-songs MT set with tracks taken from the 68-73 period would be great : imagine one song from LIB, one from "Fingers" and one from "Exile" played in succession...
The audience would go nuts! And that would be a smarter use of MT's talents than what we saw in 2012-13 (just saying)...
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Absolutely ridiculous assertion. I've seen both plenty of times, and like DEmerson said, "I'd never go to China to see Bruce",but while the E Street band has a large horn section, to say that he relies on the horn section is insane. The guitar playing in the band is and always has been impeccable. Whether Steve Van Zandt or Nils Lofgren, Bruce or the amazing Tom Morello. The horns have always been embellishment or solo instruments, not something they rely on as a major element of the sound (which the Stones have thankfully cut down on).
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You really can't wear a white hat and pink lenses all the time just because you're happy they are on the road...it's up to what you experience and every night is a different show. You have to accept opinions even if they give a black and white result; it's how the facts and the people are...never the same.
For me London 2012 was pretty good from what I saw on Youtube and what friends told me; the PPV wasn't very good but dec 13 was nice again. After the Echoplex I joined and saw the west coast shows of which three are very nice. And really... some shows I would describe as lousy. Mostly because KR was lousy. I would like to see him as good as I thought Mick was every night...and I don't like Mick more than Keith; they all have their good things.
Oh and Glasto was very nice (I saw that on tv) but not extraordinary and HP was very nice being there for what it did emotionally to me in a way but musically not more than reasonable.
When you put all opinions on iorr together you see black hats and white hats.
So...I say yes to the yes-sayers and to the nay-sayers.
In other words, they were uneven (like always?) - not disastrous - on their first 10 shows?
I totally see the Keith-thing. He was excellent in O2 1, but some clips from the start of the US tour showed some shakyness.
I think everyone on iorr want them to play great shows. No matter what you like about them; 65/66 style, the great early seventies, tattoo you period, some girls attitude, revitalised 89/90 justbeforevegas, club shows '95...
Fact is that when you count them they don't play great shows that much and that's why we all want them to play great...when we saw one we want to see one again.
Combined with not very good albums for years and the fact that they just produced 4 in 25 years (a bloody shame!!) makes a bunch of people on iorr say their output is below what we expected. Not unfair to say when compared with Dylan or others...
So album wise they let it go in terms of quality as wel as quantity.
They did huge tours, thank you RS!
But the quality of the shows (for what we had to pay!) could go more in the direction of what we are used to when watching Bruce...it has been individual quality here and there instead of an overall band quality and, most important, FUN with each other and the audience; yes Keith shares a few moments with us, yes Mick shares a few moments with us, and yes Ronnie shares some but they don't share things together to show us...we really need a lot more Glasto enthusiasm; they should go back to respect and appreciate each other for that and not wait for a special place and hope they will have it...
At this moment based on what we experienced the last 16 moths they could invest more (quality and quantity) in rehearsal time to adjust to Keith's changed style of playing. Hanging around each other for weeks while rehearsing can bring back some respect and appreciation for each and that's what they need when MT & RW have to fill in more and more for Keith...it would do them good.
But...well let's not bring another WW in the discussion
They just should realise that if they don't invest like that they will not get paid like we would like to pay them...
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shawnriffhard1
Absolutely ridiculous assertion. I've seen both plenty of times, and like DEmerson said, "I'd never go to China to see Bruce",but while the E Street band has a large horn section, to say that he relies on the horn section is insane. The guitar playing in the band is and always has been impeccable. Whether Steve Van Zandt or Nils Lofgren, Bruce or the amazing Tom Morello. The horns have always been embellishment or solo instruments, not something they rely on as a major element of the sound (which the Stones have thankfully cut down on).
So why were the guitars more or less inaudible, and the horn section bigger on the last tour?
The show I attended was good, mind you, but it was not based on guitars, not at all.
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flacnvinyl
3 pages in and no news on the rehearsals right?
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3 pages in and no news on the rehearsals right?
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flacnvinyl
3 pages in and no news on the rehearsals right?
Well..it's not only about when they start to rehearse..
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3 pages in and no news on the rehearsals right?