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Personally I doubt that Turd was recorded in LA. It doesn't sound "hifi" enough, does it? I always assumed it had that Nellcote vibe. Of course you can always add reverb and other effects to give it a basement vibe, but I still think it sounds Nellcote.
Some were recorded at Mick's, at Olympic AND at Sunset Sound as well
Sounds like that to me too. Martin Elliot mentions two outtakes of "Turd" in his recent edition. I dont recall having heard these, or know if these are other mixes of the same take. Would be interesting to know.
er, I have been stating for years now on this site that this myth of recording Exile in the basement is exactly that: a myth.
It's just the basics of about half a dozen tracks that where recorded at Nellcote, all the rest is from Olympics and mostly Sunset in LA.
Mathijs
You have indeed, but I was merely pointing out that the recordings at Mick's place haven't been mentioned a lot here.
Al told me his steel guitar was added in LA. He said that the track was much longer than the released version, and it had no words. As Al played his part, Jagger danced around in front of him and gestured to Al when to play lead.
Wonderful story!
Indeed!
Mick apparently made a habit of this, as he is said to have done the same when Sonny Rollins recorded his sax for WOAF
Agree. I love GHS because of the after-party atmosphere. The coming down from a five year long party. But I think the problem some have with it is the weakness of the songwriting itself, something that would be much more evident on IORR and Black and Blue.
And that one of the circumstances you mention is that the well of leftover songs that had been worked on during the golden years and ultimately made its way onto Exile was dried out by the time of GHS. (With the exception of Silver Train and perhaps one more).
Must have been quite a feeling, not having all these aces lying around anymore. Or some might say a deliberating feeling. But perhaps not when your a heroin addict.
Jagger said nine tracks, which is half the album and exactly 50% more than six.
So you'd think there's little for him to complain about it what he did or how much credit he deserves, etc. on the EOMS album.
The purest stones music would be the music made by all of the core five or six original/professional band members without any outside musicians.
Brian, Stu, Keith, Mick, Bill, Charlie.
I think Stones fans know how great his contributions were to their music but maybe the average rock fan does not. Mick T does not tend to figure much on various "greatest guitarists of all time" lists while Richards is always in them.
One thing that I don't think is discussed is that you don't need to necessarily write a whole song to contribute. A lot of Taylor's problems were that he considered changing chords in a song someone else wrote as songwriting while Jagger and Richards think you had to write the whole tune and lyrics. So it depends how you stand on it. But I do feel Taylor, while not being a catalysts for songs, did probably change chords, harmonies and progressions in songs, particularly the ones that are just him and Jagger. It does not sound much but changing one chord from major to minor for example can completely change the feel of a song and I do feel the Stones became less musical after Taylor left. He may not play on every EOMS track but his being in the band helped create the environment for these songs.
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
He also plays bass on Shine A Light. Maybe acoustic at the end of Angel. At least the outro of Rocks Off and imo also on Turd.
It depends if you view their original music as being the peak or the later developments. In many ways their original RnB covers are "The Stones" to many people, fans from the beginning. For later or younger fans the Taylor years are the culmination of everything they were seemingly aiming for. Overall I think the original band was probably the more experimental between 66-67 and could be seem as the peak of the Stones musical development with the classical and world music influences while the Taylor years were a regression to their earliest influences. They maybe could have gone further if Brian had stayed and been healthy.
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He is on Rocks Off, and he probably played on the whole song. However, he's only audible on the outro solo.
For a long time, I thought he was on Turd, but closer listenings tell me that the second guitars that enters later in the song is indeed Keith in open G.
You misunderstand me.
Purity is rare and that's true for pure stones music. There isn't that much of it. It got dirtied very early on with some amazing results.
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Pure or dirty they always rocked ha ha!
Bill Wyman is missing from half the record. Taylor is definitely on Rocks Off and Turd, by the way.
Not on Turd. Listen closely. It's Keith with open G-licks.
Still, when listening to The White Album, I think Exile could have been so much better. And when their 'second' guitarist is on relatively so few tracks ...
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Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 13:25
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Also, after leaving Nellcote, the band flew to LA to finish recording. How much input did MT have during that time...it appears very little from what I've read.
Yep. A lot of overdubs were done in Sunset Studios, and I think one should assume a fair bit of MT´s (overdub) work was done there, and not only in Nellcote.
Also, the inevitable question weather "Torn and Frayed" was completely recorded in LA (and possibly also "Turd" ) still is open for discussion. I dont think I´ve ever have heard a take prior (or in) Nellcote of those two tracks.
So if MT plays bass on Torn, he definitely did some work in LA. (The same goes for Charlie....Possibly some of the doubletracked drums on TD and Torn should be from LA.)
Please chime in on this
Personally I doubt that Turd was recorded in LA. It doesn't sound "hifi" enough, does it? I always assumed it had that Nellcote vibe. Of course you can always add reverb and other effects to give it a basement vibe, but I still think it sounds Nellcote.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 13:26
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A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
And Olympic Studios.
Some were recorded at Mick's, at Olympic AND at Sunset Sound as well
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 14:41
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The inevitable question weather "Torn and Frayed" was completely recorded in LA (and possibly also "Turd" ) still is open for discussion.
Personally I doubt that Turd was recorded in LA. It doesn't sound "hifi" enough, does it? I always assumed it had that Nellcote vibe. Of course you can always add reverb and other effects to give it a basement vibe, but I still think it sounds Nellcote.
Sounds like that to me too. Martin Elliot mentions two outtakes of "Turd" in his recent edition. I dont recall having heard these, or know if these are other mixes of the same take. Would be interesting to know.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 14:42
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DandelionPowderman
A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
Shake Your Hips
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Sweet Black Angel
And why is Mick Taylor credited (on some Stones sites) as co-composer of Just Wanna See His Face?
er, I have been stating for years now on this site that this myth of recording Exile in the basement is exactly that: a myth.
It's just the basics of about half a dozen tracks that where recorded at Nellcote, all the rest is from Olympics and mostly Sunset in LA.
Mathijs
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 14:44
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A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
Shake Your Hips
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Sweet Black Angel
And why is Mick Taylor credited (on some Stones sites) as co-composer of Just Wanna See His Face?
er, I have been stating for years now on this site that this myth of recording Exile in the basement is exactly that: a myth.
It's just the basics of about half a dozen tracks that where recorded at Nellcote, all the rest is from Olympics and mostly Sunset in LA.
Mathijs
You have indeed, but I was merely pointing out that the recordings at Mick's place haven't been mentioned a lot here.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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From4tilLate
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Date: January 16, 2014 15:40
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duke richardson
one of the finest solos on Exile isn't by any of the Stones. the steel on Torn And Frayed..Al Perkins..
Must have been dubbed in LA. I can't see him at Nell Cote
Al told me his steel guitar was added in LA. He said that the track was much longer than the released version, and it had no words. As Al played his part, Jagger danced around in front of him and gestured to Al when to play lead.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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FP
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Date: January 16, 2014 15:53
I think EOMS is seen as the purest essence of what Keith saw as the Stones sound. Also Jagger's contribution to what we see as Exiles concept should not be underestimated. He may not have originated this approach but he created tunes and lyrics which perfectly meshed with Keith's musical vision. The question remains however if Keith's vision of what the Stones were about is necessarily the best culmination of everything they worked towards? While I love Exile I feel the balance that a few people have already mentioned was maybe tipped to far towards Keith's ideas on Exile. You could see GHS as the scales tipping back to the influence of Jagger and Taylor. In my mind GHS is an infinitely weaker album than Exile but then again it is not a fair comparison due to various circumstances surrounding the band. Would GHS have sounded the same with a fully focused and fit Richards? If so how would it have sounded? Would he have continued to explore the voodoo funk of Exile or embraced and extended the more commercial sheen of GHS?
For me personally it is also interesting to compare Let it Bleed with Exile. Brian was barely there, Mick Taylor had only just joined so again we are left with quite a pure Keith album and vision musically. Of course I am not writing off Jagger here but as a musical vision the raw blues and nihilistic atmosphere seem Keith's. Overall it is a stronger album (mainly due to the editing) than Exile. To me Let is Bleed is the purest vision of the Stones music while Exile is the extension and also start of the slide from this purity into other styles.
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For me personally it is also interesting to compare Let it Bleed with Exile. Brian was barely there, Mick Taylor had only just joined so again we are left with quite a pure Keith album and vision musically. Of course I am not writing off Jagger here but as a musical vision the raw blues and nihilistic atmosphere seem Keith's. Overall it is a stronger album (mainly due to the editing) than Exile. To me Let is Bleed is the purest vision of the Stones music while Exile is the extension and also start of the slide from this purity into other styles.
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Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 16, 2014 15:54
Wasn't all of Torn & Frayed recorded in LA?
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 16:08
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As Al played his part, Jagger danced around in front of him and gestured to Al when to play lead.
Wonderful story!
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 16:11
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As Al played his part, Jagger danced around in front of him and gestured to Al when to play lead.
Wonderful story!
Indeed!
Mick apparently made a habit of this, as he is said to have done the same when Sonny Rollins recorded his sax for WOAF
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
Posted by:
Loudei
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Date: January 16, 2014 16:24
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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RobberBride
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Date: January 16, 2014 16:33
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FP
In my mind GHS is an infinitely weaker album than Exile but then again it is not a fair comparison due to various circumstances surrounding the band.
Agree. I love GHS because of the after-party atmosphere. The coming down from a five year long party. But I think the problem some have with it is the weakness of the songwriting itself, something that would be much more evident on IORR and Black and Blue.
And that one of the circumstances you mention is that the well of leftover songs that had been worked on during the golden years and ultimately made its way onto Exile was dried out by the time of GHS. (With the exception of Silver Train and perhaps one more).
Must have been quite a feeling, not having all these aces lying around anymore. Or some might say a deliberating feeling. But perhaps not when your a heroin addict.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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71Tele
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Date: January 16, 2014 16:33
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DandelionPowderman
A thing that rarely is mentioned about the recording of Exile is that several tracks were recorded (partly) at Mick's place
Shake Your Hips
Tumbling Dice
Sweet Virginia
Sweet Black Angel
And why is Mick Taylor credited (on some Stones sites) as co-composer of Just Wanna See His Face?
er, I have been stating for years now on this site that this myth of recording Exile in the basement is exactly that: a myth.
It's just the basics of about half a dozen tracks that where recorded at Nellcote, all the rest is from Olympics and mostly Sunset in LA.
Mathijs
Jagger said nine tracks, which is half the album and exactly 50% more than six.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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71Tele
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Date: January 16, 2014 16:34
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One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix. It's the sound of a great eight-man rock ensemble at the very peak of their powers. Taylor's contributions on Exile are great - I can't see worrying about his absence on guitar on Tumbling Dice, when his melodic bass part,especially on the chorus, is so brilliant. Would "Rocks Off", "Rip This Joint", "Sweet Virginia", "Turd on the Run" "Let it Loose" or "Casino Boogie" have been better with an MT guitar solo (or a Keith solo for that matter)? Maybe, but it sure is hard to imagine those songs without Sax solo, horn fills or harmonica fill (as the case mey be) so I'm perfectly happy with the decisions made.
I could care less if he strummed acoustics or rhythm guitar or played tambourine. For his bass on TD and "Torn & Frayed", and for his epic guitar solos on side 4, MT's contributions to Exile get five stars in my book, and I feel he was utilized exactly the right amount.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 16, 2014 17:08
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drbryant
One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix. It's the sound of a great eight-man rock ensemble at the very peak of their powers. Taylor's contributions on Exile are great - I can't see worrying about his absence on guitar on Tumbling Dice, when his melodic bass part,especially on the chorus, is so brilliant. Would "Rocks Off", "Rip This Joint", "Sweet Virginia", "Turd on the Run" "Let it Loose" or "Casino Boogie" have been better with an MT guitar solo (or a Keith solo for that matter)? Maybe, but it sure is hard to imagine those songs without Sax solo, horn fills or harmonica fill (as the case mey be) so I'm perfectly happy with the decisions made.
I could care less if he strummed acoustics or rhythm guitar or played tambourine. For his bass on TD and "Torn & Frayed", and for his epic guitar solos on side 4, MT's contributions to Exile get five stars in my book, and I feel he was utilized exactly the right amount.
So you'd think there's little for him to complain about it what he did or how much credit he deserves, etc. on the EOMS album.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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His Majesty
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Date: January 16, 2014 18:08
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FP
To me Let is Bleed is the purest vision of the Stones music.
The purest stones music would be the music made by all of the core five or six original/professional band members without any outside musicians.
Brian, Stu, Keith, Mick, Bill, Charlie.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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FP
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Date: January 16, 2014 19:57
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drbryant
One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix. It's the sound of a great eight-man rock ensemble at the very peak of their powers. Taylor's contributions on Exile are great - I can't see worrying about his absence on guitar on Tumbling Dice, when his melodic bass part,especially on the chorus, is so brilliant. Would "Rocks Off", "Rip This Joint", "Sweet Virginia", "Turd on the Run" "Let it Loose" or "Casino Boogie" have been better with an MT guitar solo (or a Keith solo for that matter)? Maybe, but it sure is hard to imagine those songs without Sax solo, horn fills or harmonica fill (as the case mey be) so I'm perfectly happy with the decisions made.
I could care less if he strummed acoustics or rhythm guitar or played tambourine. For his bass on TD and "Torn & Frayed", and for his epic guitar solos on side 4, MT's contributions to Exile get five stars in my book, and I feel he was utilized exactly the right amount.
So you'd think there's little for him to complain about it what he did or how much credit he deserves, etc. on the EOMS album.
I think Stones fans know how great his contributions were to their music but maybe the average rock fan does not. Mick T does not tend to figure much on various "greatest guitarists of all time" lists while Richards is always in them.
One thing that I don't think is discussed is that you don't need to necessarily write a whole song to contribute. A lot of Taylor's problems were that he considered changing chords in a song someone else wrote as songwriting while Jagger and Richards think you had to write the whole tune and lyrics. So it depends how you stand on it. But I do feel Taylor, while not being a catalysts for songs, did probably change chords, harmonies and progressions in songs, particularly the ones that are just him and Jagger. It does not sound much but changing one chord from major to minor for example can completely change the feel of a song and I do feel the Stones became less musical after Taylor left. He may not play on every EOMS track but his being in the band helped create the environment for these songs.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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FP
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Date: January 16, 2014 20:00
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
Posted by:
kleermaker
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Date: January 16, 2014 20:08
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
He also plays bass on Shine A Light. Maybe acoustic at the end of Angel. At least the outro of Rocks Off and imo also on Turd.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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FP
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Date: January 16, 2014 20:08
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FP
To me Let is Bleed is the purest vision of the Stones music.
The purest stones music would be the music made by all of the core five or six original/professional band members without any outside musicians.
Brian, Stu, Keith, Mick, Bill, Charlie.
It depends if you view their original music as being the peak or the later developments. In many ways their original RnB covers are "The Stones" to many people, fans from the beginning. For later or younger fans the Taylor years are the culmination of everything they were seemingly aiming for. Overall I think the original band was probably the more experimental between 66-67 and could be seem as the peak of the Stones musical development with the classical and world music influences while the Taylor years were a regression to their earliest influences. They maybe could have gone further if Brian had stayed and been healthy.
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Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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DandelionPowderman
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Date: January 16, 2014 20:20
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
He is on Rocks Off, and he probably played on the whole song. However, he's only audible on the outro solo.
For a long time, I thought he was on Turd, but closer listenings tell me that the second guitars that enters later in the song is indeed Keith in open G.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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His Majesty
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Date: January 16, 2014 20:23
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FP
It depends if you view their original music as being the peak or the later developments. In many ways their original RnB covers are "The Stones" to many people, fans from the beginning. For later or younger fans the Taylor years are the culmination of everything they were seemingly aiming for. Overall I think the original band was probably the more experimental between 66-67 and could be seem as the peak of the Stones musical development with the classical and world music influences while the Taylor years were a regression to their earliest influences. They maybe could have gone further if Brian had stayed and been healthy.
You misunderstand me.
Purity is rare and that's true for pure stones music. There isn't that much of it. It got dirtied very early on with some amazing results.
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Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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FP
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Date: January 16, 2014 22:42
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FP
It depends if you view their original music as being the peak or the later developments. In many ways their original RnB covers are "The Stones" to many people, fans from the beginning. For later or younger fans the Taylor years are the culmination of everything they were seemingly aiming for. Overall I think the original band was probably the more experimental between 66-67 and could be seem as the peak of the Stones musical development with the classical and world music influences while the Taylor years were a regression to their earliest influences. They maybe could have gone further if Brian had stayed and been healthy.
You misunderstand me.
Purity is rare and that's true for pure stones music. There isn't that much of it. It got dirtied very early on with some amazing results.
Pure or dirty they always rocked ha ha!
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 17, 2014 04:00
I would like to see the real credits for Exile, who can post it here?
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 17, 2014 11:18
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 17, 2014 16:34
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
Bill Wyman is missing from half the record. Taylor is definitely on Rocks Off and Turd, by the way.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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Date: January 17, 2014 16:40
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Loudei
So Exile is a Keith Richards induced record? No Taylor on most tracks?
As DandilionPowerman said: No Taylor at all on Let It Loose, Sweet Black Angel,Loving Cup or Happy.
He plays bass on Torn & Frayed, I Just Wanna See His Face, Tumbling Dice
Debatable if he is on Turd On The Run or Rocks off but I think he is.
But it is a double album with lots of songs and remember Bill Wyman is missing from quite a few tracks as well. Taylor plays epic solos on Ventilator Blues and Shine a Light and overall you can hear his musical presence.
Bill Wyman is missing from half the record. Taylor is definitely on Rocks Off and Turd, by the way.
Not on Turd. Listen closely. It's Keith with open G-licks.
Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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pmk251
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Date: January 18, 2014 01:59
<One of the greatest aspects of Exile is the dense mix, with the buried vocals, and the wonderful instrumental parts that emerge out of nowhere only to disappear back in the mix....>
True. This is my gut feeling about this record: No one speaks well about its making. Much of it sounds cobbled together. But whoever did that had a brilliant vision, worked extremely long and hard and was probably lucky. I suspect a whole bunch of chaotic tape (made under chaotic circumstances) was shipped to Los Angeles for someone to put together. Exile is a masterpiece of production. The band got away with one and it turned out to be its swan song. Nothing that came afterward packed as much power or was shrouded in as much mystery. Much of the album is a brilliant mess. It is a masterpiece in spite of itself.
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True. This is my gut feeling about this record: No one speaks well about its making. Much of it sounds cobbled together. But whoever did that had a brilliant vision, worked extremely long and hard and was probably lucky. I suspect a whole bunch of chaotic tape (made under chaotic circumstances) was shipped to Los Angeles for someone to put together. Exile is a masterpiece of production. The band got away with one and it turned out to be its swan song. Nothing that came afterward packed as much power or was shrouded in as much mystery. Much of the album is a brilliant mess. It is a masterpiece in spite of itself.
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Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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kleermaker
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Date: January 18, 2014 02:06
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Much of the album is a brilliant mess. It is a masterpiece in spite of itself.
Still, when listening to The White Album, I think Exile could have been so much better. And when their 'second' guitarist is on relatively so few tracks ...
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Re: Mick Taylor - Exile on Main Street guitar contributions
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theanchorman
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Date: January 18, 2014 04:58
In regard to Mathis' post about 6 tracks from Nellcote: I hate when you say this! Lol
It's been mentioned by multiple people in the stones camp that they overdubbed much at Nellcote in regard to those tracks originally tracked at Olympic and Stargeoves. Songs like SBA, SV, LIL, etc. there was much touched up and added to
while at Nellcote. Nellcote fairy dust man.
And yes, they touched up even more while at Sunset Sound
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It's been mentioned by multiple people in the stones camp that they overdubbed much at Nellcote in regard to those tracks originally tracked at Olympic and Stargeoves. Songs like SBA, SV, LIL, etc. there was much touched up and added to
while at Nellcote. Nellcote fairy dust man.
And yes, they touched up even more while at Sunset Sound
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2014-01-18 05:05 by theanchorman.
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