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If there is, I have never seen it. Did you check out youtube?
That would be the Detroit show? Never heard of any film from that show?
About 80% of the Altamont show is available as soundboard. However, the version that is circulating is awfull quality, almost unlistenable. But it is evidence that the SB tape has been traded.
Mathijs
Yeah you're right it is a Detroit show, at least that's what it's listed as. I think it's possible as in Gimme Shelter the footage shown with Love in Vain dubbed over it isn't from New York the stage is different. I'll find a frame from the bit I'm talking about at some point.
"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 02:16 by Nasty Habits.
Three Detroit songs circulated in the VHS era, but seem to have been lost except for LQ.
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What was on PBS?
"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"
Very strange I have never seen this footage show up on a bootleg DVD or on youtube......makes me doubt it exists.........
Makes sense then that we did not get more unreleased bonus footage in the Ya Ya's box set but supposedly there is a video of the complete Altamont concert?
Huh? I'm confused.
LQ in the GYYYO release is from NY.
LQ from Detroit is on a DVD named Stoned Again By the Rockers or something like that.
Rightfully so. I meant: the soundboard tracks are available since the 80's, and I have only seen video footage of LQ, not the other tracks.
Mathijs
You are correct sir, good call
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If this really is from Detroit it is amazing it never made it onto youtube
Thank you for the clarification.
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New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: November 1, 2013 13:50
I'm sure this has been covered before but I couldn't find it in the archives, but is there film in existence specifically of them playing Sympathy from the New York show? I'd be amazed if it wasn't filmed as they were filming for Gimme Shelter on that tour.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
()
Date: November 1, 2013 17:52
Quote
crumbling_mice
I'm sure this has been covered before but I couldn't find it in the archives, but is there film in existence specifically of them playing Sympathy from the New York show? I'd be amazed if it wasn't filmed as they were filming for Gimme Shelter on that tour.
If there is, I have never seen it. Did you check out youtube?
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Cristiano Radtke
()
Date: November 1, 2013 17:52
I found these thread about the Maysles' unreleased footage.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
bleedingman
()
Date: November 1, 2013 18:00
There was a charity screening at Maysles' Harlem studio for the Shidoobees a few years ago on New Year's Eve. For some reason they were sworn to secrecy but they said it contained an entire MSG performance.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: November 1, 2013 18:12
More archival stuff for when the Stones stop rolling again and need product. It would be fun to know what's out there. I'm surprised they've never put out an updated Rewind, with all their post-ABKCO videos. One of the reasons I don't watch Gimme Shelter often is I get frustrated. I want to see entire songs and they cut too many of them off.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: November 1, 2013 19:21
Thanks for your responses, now you mention it I remember about the secret screening. Now that would be a great show to see in its entirity and something to look forward to. I'm just pleased that footage exists of the MSG show and hopefully if it's the Maysles it will be as good as the other GS clips. I can wait, unless of course, I die before they get around to releasing it!
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
oldschool
()
Date: November 1, 2013 22:36
I am convinced the Maysles Bros. have more footage and concert audio in the vaults for several 69 tour shows. If you read this article one of the Brothers mentions filming all 3 MSG shows and continuing on to Boston, Florida and Alabama so maybe they also filmed those shows as well?
[www.salon.com]
Also one of the Gimme Shelter Film Directors, Charlotte Zwerin, mentions getting an uncut copy of the complete Altamont performance to review:
In this article it claims that one of the sound guys at Altamont have the complete SB for that concert.
[www.insidebayarea.com]
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-01 22:52 by oldschool.
[www.salon.com]
Quote
We made a deal with them to go to Madison Square Garden and started filming. We got so excited we stuck with them for the next couple of weeks, going to Boston, Florida and Alabama.”
Also one of the Gimme Shelter Film Directors, Charlotte Zwerin, mentions getting an uncut copy of the complete Altamont performance to review:
Quote
"The performance of 'Gimme Shelter' was one of the most powerful things I'd ever heard. At one point the Maysles sent me tapes of the entire Stones performance uncut; it's out of a horror movie."
In this article it claims that one of the sound guys at Altamont have the complete SB for that concert.
[www.insidebayarea.com]
Quote
The Stones, who may or may not have known that Hunter had died, returned after the melee to play eight more songs. According to Matthews, who recorded the performance and still holds the tapes, the band delivered an inspired second set that closed with "Street Fighting Man," a song that might have rung the closing bell on the Woodstock era.
Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-01 22:52 by oldschool.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
crumbling_mice
()
Date: November 2, 2013 00:04
That's good to hear oldschool...let's keep our fingers crossed.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
()
Date: November 2, 2013 03:41
There's also evidence of recordings from earlier in the tour..
One can only hope..
One can only hope..
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Nasty Habits
()
Date: November 6, 2013 13:03
This apparently exists on film:
Rolling Stones (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 1969-11-24 6:09
Rolling Stones Carol 1969-11-24 3:27
Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Women 1969-11-24 :30
Rolling Stones Jumping Jack Flash 1969-11-24 4:12
Rolling Stones Little Queenie 1969-11-24 4:10
Rolling Stones Love In Vain 1969-11-24 4:50
Rolling Stones Prodigal Son 1969-11-24 3:28
Rolling Stones Stray Cat Blues 1969-11-24 3:27
Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil 1969-11-24 7:12
"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-06 13:06 by Nasty Habits.
Rolling Stones (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 1969-11-24 6:09
Rolling Stones Carol 1969-11-24 3:27
Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Women 1969-11-24 :30
Rolling Stones Jumping Jack Flash 1969-11-24 4:12
Rolling Stones Little Queenie 1969-11-24 4:10
Rolling Stones Love In Vain 1969-11-24 4:50
Rolling Stones Prodigal Son 1969-11-24 3:28
Rolling Stones Stray Cat Blues 1969-11-24 3:27
Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil 1969-11-24 7:12
"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-06 13:06 by Nasty Habits.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
()
Date: November 6, 2013 13:09
24th? Or 27th/28th?
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
oldschool
()
Date: November 6, 2013 13:57
Quote
Nasty Habits
This apparently exists on film:
Rolling Stones (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 1969-11-24 6:09
Rolling Stones Carol 1969-11-24 3:27
Rolling Stones Honky Tonk Women 1969-11-24 :30
Rolling Stones Jumping Jack Flash 1969-11-24 4:12
Rolling Stones Little Queenie 1969-11-24 4:10
Rolling Stones Love In Vain 1969-11-24 4:50
Rolling Stones Prodigal Son 1969-11-24 3:28
Rolling Stones Stray Cat Blues 1969-11-24 3:27
Rolling Stones Sympathy For The Devil 1969-11-24 7:12
That would be the Detroit show? Never heard of any film from that show?
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 6, 2013 21:38
Quote
oldschool
I am convinced the Maysles Bros. have more footage and concert audio in the vaults for several 69 tour shows. If you read this article one of the Brothers mentions filming all 3 MSG shows and continuing on to Boston, Florida and Alabama so maybe they also filmed those shows as well?
[www.salon.com]Quote
We made a deal with them to go to Madison Square Garden and started filming. We got so excited we stuck with them for the next couple of weeks, going to Boston, Florida and Alabama.”
Also one of the Gimme Shelter Film Directors, Charlotte Zwerin, mentions getting an uncut copy of the complete Altamont performance to review:Quote
"The performance of 'Gimme Shelter' was one of the most powerful things I'd ever heard. At one point the Maysles sent me tapes of the entire Stones performance uncut; it's out of a horror movie."
In this article it claims that one of the sound guys at Altamont have the complete SB for that concert.
[www.insidebayarea.com]Quote
The Stones, who may or may not have known that Hunter had died, returned after the melee to play eight more songs. According to Matthews, who recorded the performance and still holds the tapes, the band delivered an inspired second set that closed with "Street Fighting Man," a song that might have rung the closing bell on the Woodstock era.
About 80% of the Altamont show is available as soundboard. However, the version that is circulating is awfull quality, almost unlistenable. But it is evidence that the SB tape has been traded.
Mathijs
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Nasty Habits
()
Date: November 7, 2013 19:11
Quote
oldschool
That would be the Detroit show? Never heard of any film from that show?
Yeah you're right it is a Detroit show, at least that's what it's listed as. I think it's possible as in Gimme Shelter the footage shown with Love in Vain dubbed over it isn't from New York the stage is different. I'll find a frame from the bit I'm talking about at some point.
"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 02:16 by Nasty Habits.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
smokeydusky
()
Date: November 8, 2013 00:18
Quote
oldschool
That would be the Detroit show? Never heard of any film from that show?
Three Detroit songs circulated in the VHS era, but seem to have been lost except for LQ.
[www.iorr.org]
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
BILLPERKS
()
Date: November 8, 2013 00:49
THIS WAS ON PBS RECENTLY..NO SYMPATHY THAT I SAW.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Nasty Habits
()
Date: November 8, 2013 02:14
Quote
BILLPERKS
THIS WAS ON PBS RECENTLY..NO SYMPATHY THAT I SAW.
What was on PBS?
"I've got nasty habits I take tea at three"
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
oldschool
()
Date: November 8, 2013 14:16
Quote
smokeyduskyQuote
oldschool
That would be the Detroit show? Never heard of any film from that show?
Three Detroit songs circulated in the VHS era, but seem to have been lost except for LQ.
[www.iorr.org]
Very strange I have never seen this footage show up on a bootleg DVD or on youtube......makes me doubt it exists.........
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
shawnriffhard1
()
Date: November 8, 2013 14:27
Yes, I too am perplexed about this. SFTD from Detroit? Never heard about this, nor have I ever heard about Little Queenie being from Detroit. Always thought that was an outtake from NYC. Does anyone have more information?
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 8, 2013 15:43
The three tracks from Detroit where aired on TV on 'Detroit Tube Works', and that's where the tape is coming from. I have yet to see the footage though, as far as I know it hasn't surfaced.
Love in Vain from Gimme SHelter is from Baltimore, but the film images are shot in New York. All other music and images are from MSG, except of course for the Altamont footage.
Do note that all images and music from the GS movie are comibinations of different shows. Sataisfaction for example is from both the first and second 28th show. Maysels has explained this is due to the camera's they used: these had 5 minte film canisters that took 10 minutes to replace when full. This meant that they had to choose which songs to film with the entire crew, and that many songs where filmed incomplete. They also used film video film equipment to shoot the shows, and these are the one-camera footage in lesser quality, for example the Little Queenie outtake and the Prodigal Son and You Gotta Move tracks.
Chances that a complete show in excellent quality exists are very slim. For example, Maysels mentioned that Sympathy and Rambler where too long to be filmed.
Mathijs
Love in Vain from Gimme SHelter is from Baltimore, but the film images are shot in New York. All other music and images are from MSG, except of course for the Altamont footage.
Do note that all images and music from the GS movie are comibinations of different shows. Sataisfaction for example is from both the first and second 28th show. Maysels has explained this is due to the camera's they used: these had 5 minte film canisters that took 10 minutes to replace when full. This meant that they had to choose which songs to film with the entire crew, and that many songs where filmed incomplete. They also used film video film equipment to shoot the shows, and these are the one-camera footage in lesser quality, for example the Little Queenie outtake and the Prodigal Son and You Gotta Move tracks.
Chances that a complete show in excellent quality exists are very slim. For example, Maysels mentioned that Sympathy and Rambler where too long to be filmed.
Mathijs
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
()
Date: November 8, 2013 16:28
Didnt the early re-release of gimme shelter have Stray Cat and Midnight Rambler? But didnt eventuate?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 16:33 by Eleanor Rigby.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2013-11-08 16:33 by Eleanor Rigby.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
tornnfrayed
()
Date: November 8, 2013 16:41
I kind of think that if there were really that much quality material it would have been released by now, and certainly by last year when anyone with anything to tell was trying to capitalize on the Stones 50th. So I for one doubt there is much there. Look at Robert Frank who recorded the entire 72 tour but what is left is apparently very little, snippets here and there. We learned this when the Exile "documentary" came out a few years ago.
I think the most interesting thing in this thread is the photo of the sound engineer in CA with his pro quality tapes of the Altamont show. It would be great to hear those one day.
I think the most interesting thing in this thread is the photo of the sound engineer in CA with his pro quality tapes of the Altamont show. It would be great to hear those one day.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Eleanor Rigby
()
Date: November 8, 2013 16:53
But I think it was mentioned that there could be some "rights" still attached to the music..thats why rumours of Stray Cat and Midnight Rambler were "replaced" with You gotta move and Prodigal Son..
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
oldschool
()
Date: November 8, 2013 18:00
Quote
Mathijs
The three tracks from Detroit where aired on TV on 'Detroit Tube Works', and that's where the tape is coming from. I have yet to see the footage though, as far as I know it hasn't surfaced.
Love in Vain from Gimme SHelter is from Baltimore, but the film images are shot in New York. All other music and images are from MSG, except of course for the Altamont footage.
Do note that all images and music from the GS movie are comibinations of different shows. Sataisfaction for example is from both the first and second 28th show. Maysels has explained this is due to the camera's they used: these had 5 minte film canisters that took 10 minutes to replace when full. This meant that they had to choose which songs to film with the entire crew, and that many songs where filmed incomplete. They also used film video film equipment to shoot the shows, and these are the one-camera footage in lesser quality, for example the Little Queenie outtake and the Prodigal Son and You Gotta Move tracks.
Chances that a complete show in excellent quality exists are very slim. For example, Maysels mentioned that Sympathy and Rambler where too long to be filmed.
Mathijs
Makes sense then that we did not get more unreleased bonus footage in the Ya Ya's box set but supposedly there is a video of the complete Altamont concert?
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
()
Date: November 8, 2013 18:04
Quote
Mathijs
The three tracks from Detroit where aired on TV on 'Detroit Tube Works', and that's where the tape is coming from. I have yet to see the footage though, as far as I know it hasn't surfaced.
Huh? I'm confused.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
bleedingman
()
Date: November 8, 2013 18:17
Midnight Rambler definitely would have helped set the tone in the build up to the Altamont fiasco in Gimme Shelter.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
smokeydusky
()
Date: November 8, 2013 19:01
Quote
shawnriffhard1
Yes, I too am perplexed about this. SFTD from Detroit? Never heard about this, nor have I ever heard about Little Queenie being from Detroit. Always thought that was an outtake from NYC. Does anyone have more information?
LQ in the GYYYO release is from NY.
LQ from Detroit is on a DVD named Stoned Again By the Rockers or something like that.
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
Mathijs
()
Date: November 8, 2013 20:19
Quote
MILKYWAYQuote
Mathijs
The three tracks from Detroit where aired on TV on 'Detroit Tube Works', and that's where the tape is coming from. I have yet to see the footage though, as far as I know it hasn't surfaced.
Huh? I'm confused.
Rightfully so. I meant: the soundboard tracks are available since the 80's, and I have only seen video footage of LQ, not the other tracks.
Mathijs
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
oldschool
()
Date: November 8, 2013 20:29
Quote
smokeyduskyQuote
shawnriffhard1
Yes, I too am perplexed about this. SFTD from Detroit? Never heard about this, nor have I ever heard about Little Queenie being from Detroit. Always thought that was an outtake from NYC. Does anyone have more information?
LQ in the GYYYO release is from NY.
LQ from Detroit is on a DVD named Stoned Again By the Rockers or something like that.
You are correct sir, good call
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If this really is from Detroit it is amazing it never made it onto youtube
Re: New York - GYYY's Out Film?
Posted by:
MILKYWAY
()
Date: November 8, 2013 20:59
Quote
Mathijs
Rightfully so. I meant: the soundboard tracks are available since the 80's, and I have only seen video footage of LQ, not the other tracks.
Mathijs
Thank you for the clarification.
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