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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

I love every Kinks-era. Here's a brilliant show from 1979 - when they were touring behind several big current hits:







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I love every Kinks-era. Here's a brilliant show from 1979 - when they were touring behind several big current hits:

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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Also, totally not true about new fans, at least in the 80s. I recall the live album 'One For The Road' in the late 70s was pretty big in high schools, followed up with the 1981 retro single Destroyer and album 'Give The People What They Want' and then what can only be described as a 'smash' single (at least in Kinkstory) in 1983, Come Dancing and the glorious Don't Forget To Dance from the album State of Confusion.

I even bought Word of Mouth, which has that great Dave Davies song whose title escapes me for the moment.

So perhaps that renaissance petered out by the 90s, but the 80s was solid.

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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Also, totally not true about new fans, at least in the 80s. I recall the live album 'One For The Road' in the late 70s was pretty big in high schools, followed up with the 1981 retro single Destroyer and album 'Give The People What They Want' and then what can only be described as a 'smash' single (at least in Kinkstory) in 1983, Come Dancing and the glorious Don't Forget To Dance from the album State of Confusion.

I even bought Word of Mouth, which has that great Dave Davies song whose title escapes me for the moment.

So perhaps that renaissance petered out by the 90s, but the 80s was solid.

The Kinks didn't really break through in America (or world-wide) before the late 70s. The 1979 One For The Road-video/live album (see the video above) is loaded with big late 70s hits, and was the first stadium/big arena tour the Kinks ever did.

The popularity lasted more or less through the Word Of Mouth-album in 1984.

Ironically, imo, their best albums came when the group was at the nadir of their popularity (1966-1976) - although I enjoy their late 70s-early 80s albums.

With Think Visual (1986) and UK Jive (1989), the Kinks lost a lot of fans. Phobia (1993) was a really good album, imo. The heavy metal-flirting title track is genius!



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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Also, totally not true about new fans, at least in the 80s. I recall the live album 'One For The Road' in the late 70s was pretty big in high schools, followed up with the 1981 retro single Destroyer and album 'Give The People What They Want' and then what can only be described as a 'smash' single (at least in Kinkstory) in 1983, Come Dancing and the glorious Don't Forget To Dance from the album State of Confusion.

I even bought Word of Mouth, which has that great Dave Davies song whose title escapes me for the moment.

So perhaps that renaissance petered out by the 90s, but the 80s was solid.

The Kinks didn't really break through in America (or world-wide) before the late 70s. The 1979 One For The Road-video/live album (see the video above) is loaded with big late 70s hits, and was the first stadium/big arena tour the Kinks ever did.

The popularity lasted more or less through the Word Of Mouth-album in 1984.

Ironically, imo, their best albums came when the group was at the nadir of their popularity (1966-1976) - although I enjoy their late 70s-early 80s albums.

With Think Visual (1986) and UK Jive (1989), the Kinks lost a lot of fans. Phobia (1993) was a really good album, imo. The heavy metal-flirting title track is genius!

I also have 'Think Visual'...but you're right, they lost me after that, as far as new albums was concerned. Not fair really, I mean, I did stick around for quite awhile after Dirty Work...

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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Also, totally not true about new fans, at least in the 80s. I recall the live album 'One For The Road' in the late 70s was pretty big in high schools, followed up with the 1981 retro single Destroyer and album 'Give The People What They Want' and then what can only be described as a 'smash' single (at least in Kinkstory) in 1983, Come Dancing and the glorious Don't Forget To Dance from the album State of Confusion.

I even bought Word of Mouth, which has that great Dave Davies song whose title escapes me for the moment.

So perhaps that renaissance petered out by the 90s, but the 80s was solid.

OK didnt know that. Did they have a revival in the early 80s? I still dont see how they could compete with huge image and influential groups and artists like Velvet (second most influential band ever) or the Doors (like it or not, Morrisson will always be a huge influence and they had some truly great albums and songs) or the Who (always in fashion, always influential in fashion and music). I remember kids trying hard to be Morrisson or the Who in the late 80s early 90s. Kinks was just some group mentioned in articles about the 60s.

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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Yes absolutely. Velvet Underground is still a goldmine for fashion, music, attitude, image, art etc.

The Kinks is a 60s pop band.

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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Also, totally not true about new fans, at least in the 80s. I recall the live album 'One For The Road' in the late 70s was pretty big in high schools, followed up with the 1981 retro single Destroyer and album 'Give The People What They Want' and then what can only be described as a 'smash' single (at least in Kinkstory) in 1983, Come Dancing and the glorious Don't Forget To Dance from the album State of Confusion.

I even bought Word of Mouth, which has that great Dave Davies song whose title escapes me for the moment.

So perhaps that renaissance petered out by the 90s, but the 80s was solid.

OK didnt know that. Did they have a revival in the early 80s? I still dont see how they could compete with huge image and influential groups and artists like Velvet (second most influential band ever) or the Doors (like it or not, Morrisson will always be a huge influence and they had some truly great albums and songs) or the Who (always in fashion, always influential in fashion and music). I remember kids trying hard to be Morrisson or the Who in the late 80s early 90s. Kinks was just some group mentioned in articles about the 60s.

yes indeed...big arena tours (no stadiums though I think - not many bands even today can sell out stadiums though). What was great was they had a stellar back catalogue that a lot of 'new' fans weren't even aware of.

They could not do arenas in the USA. They could do places like the Beacon Theatre.

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They could not do arenas in the USA. They could do places like the Beacon Theatre.

Watch the video above..

Point?

People's ignorance of the Kinks music and popularity, not to mention influence is disappointing.

Much more than a 60s pop band-even in the 60s! No band more successfully married British dance hall to British invasion with punk, art rock, arena rock, folk, heavy metal power chords.

Ray Davies one of the great lyricists of all time. The Kinks were huge, filling up arenas from late 70s to mid-80s. Word of Mouth is an underappreciated gem and Think Visual is pretty good as well.

The Kinks were also hurt by their 1965-1969 touring ban here in the States.

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People's ignorance of the Kinks music and popularity, not to mention influence is disappointing.

Much more than a 60s pop band-even in the 60s! No band more successfully married British dance hall to British invasion with punk, art rock, arena rock, folk, heavy metal power chords.

Ray Davies one of the great lyricists of all time. The Kinks were huge, filling up arenas from late 70s to mid-80s. Word of Mouth is an underappreciated gem and Think Visual is pretty good as well.

The Kinks were also hurt by their 1965-1969 touring ban here in the States.

Agreed.

Agreed but they would never sell out Madison Sq Garden. Would rather see them in the Beacon anyway

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Bigger than the Beacon.

Well that we be good but I am being realistic.

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Agreed but they would never sell out Madison Sq Garden. Would rather see them in the Beacon anyway

That would depend on where else they were playing near-by on the tour and if the tour was properly promoted. Under the right circumstances they could sell out the MSG. But who knows if they'd even want to play arenas if they toured. If they did it wouldn't be unprecedented since they sold out the MSG in the past.

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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Yes absolutely. Velvet Underground is still a goldmine for fashion, music, attitude, image, art etc.

The Kinks is a 60s pop band.

They WERE a 60s pop band. In the late 70s they were more punk than the Stones. In the late 60s/early 70s they were a more hardcore concept band than the Who.

It was the hard rock-thing that eventually made them big in America (starting with the brilliant 1977 album, Sleepwalker).

I can't embed videos today for some reason but here's the Kinks doc "Life On The Road" --





Thanks DP!



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I dont know anything about the Kinks and I discovered them far too late. They were always mentioned in the magazines or the books but still totally underrated by me. Is it the imo pretty lame bandname and their bleak image compared to Who, Stones, Velvet, Doors or Beatles? They failed to find new teen fans in the 1980s, 90s? Somehow their outside the retro era of the late 80s early 90s.

the kinks had a more bleak image than the velvet underground

Also, totally not true about new fans, at least in the 80s. I recall the live album 'One For The Road' in the late 70s was pretty big in high schools, followed up with the 1981 retro single Destroyer and album 'Give The People What They Want' and then what can only be described as a 'smash' single (at least in Kinkstory) in 1983, Come Dancing and the glorious Don't Forget To Dance from the album State of Confusion.

I even bought Word of Mouth, which has that great Dave Davies song whose title escapes me for the moment.

So perhaps that renaissance petered out by the 90s, but the 80s was solid.

OK didnt know that. Did they have a revival in the early 80s? I still dont see how they could compete with huge image and influential groups and artists like Velvet (second most influential band ever) or the Doors (like it or not, Morrisson will always be a huge influence and they had some truly great albums and songs) or the Who (always in fashion, always influential in fashion and music). I remember kids trying hard to be Morrisson or the Who in the late 80s early 90s. Kinks was just some group mentioned in articles about the 60s.

The Kinks were quite influential in the alternative/college rock movement in the late 80s early 90s, a lot of those artists were introduced to them from the early 80s hard rock era. Lola was a staple on classic rock/AOR radio. If anything took the wind out of their sails, it was the break up of the band in the mid 1990s. They were never going to be as big as the Stones, or the Who (of course, they influenced the Who greatly). But they were pretty successful on by thier own standard in the 80s.

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Point?

The point is I thought you were baiting people in the Beatles thread, is it getting boring over there?

So you are following me around. You must have an interesting life.

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Point?

The point is I thought you were baiting people in the Beatles thread, is it getting boring over there?

and I was NOT baiting people. get a life

I love the Kinks but can't see them filling MSG these days. I agree with whomever said they are more of a theater band these days. maybe multiple nights at the Beacon or Boston Orpheum but can't see them filling up arenas at this stage of their career.
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I love the Kinks but can't see them filling MSG these days. I agree with whomever said they are more of a theater band these days. maybe multiple nights at the Beacon or Boston Orpheum but can't see them filling up arenas at this stage of their career.
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You don't think they could draw 18,000 people for a one night show at MSG? I would disagree. You're talking about a band that hasn't toured in over two decades. The curiousity factor alone is high and as I said, if promoted properly the Kinks could sell out MSG. I think you're underestimating, if not their popularity, at least the interest level in seeing the band live. I don't think they could sell out many arenas but MSG is one they could.

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I love the Kinks but can't see them filling MSG these days. I agree with whomever said they are more of a theater band these days. maybe multiple nights at the Beacon or Boston Orpheum but can't see them filling up arenas at this stage of their career.
This is a great boot taken from WGV stream

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agree