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If ya don't dig Main OFfender then you can't be alive (or haven't eaten p***y for the last decade).

Yeah, ok. If you say so. As for pussy-eating, there are better records. Exile, for one. All Main Offender proved is that Keith really needs Mick to finish songs. (Mick's solo albums proved the same thing).

Mick's solo records proved that without Keith he's
always in danger of being borderline Madonna

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Lock up yer Grandfathers! it's the Rolling Stones and they got Hoes On Tour!

Ummm Lock up your GREAT Grandfathers.....

i knew someone would say that. too too much viagra

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I would love to be excited about this, but I am not. Why? The man just doesn't really write songs anymore. Hasn't for ages. My guess is we will get something along the lines of Main Offender, which was largely a collection of riffs in search of songs. If so, I have no real interest. Could I be wrong? Sure, and I hope I am.

The exceptions were Wicked As It Seems, Eileen, Yap Yap, Words Of Wonder, Demon and Hate It When You Leave, though.

I have the same feeling as you have when it comes to this album, but a closer listen reveals that half of the album is really great. It is the "twin songs" WBYW and RTD that destroys a lot of the impression, I guess...

I don't hate it. I just don't think it's all that good. I agree with you, about half of it is good. Unlike many here (and I have stated it before) I don't think the Steve Jordan collaboration brings out the best in Keith.

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I don't think the Steve Jordan collaboration brings out the best in Keith.

how about Waddy Wachtel, then? i was also positively surprised by this:

I just am loving the anticipation for the new Keef Richards record !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeroen

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I just am loving the anticipation for the new Keef Richards record !!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeroen

well, it's been building up for some while now.

the wino's were just not that good of a band.

i saw them live a few times and they couldnt have qualified as roadies for the new barbarians.

the production quality on both of keiths records is horrible,just like most of micks solo records its just not that good.as tele said they sound like outtakes from a rolling stones recording session where you can listen to jaggers stuff and listen to keiths stuff and think "yeah they couldve made some great songs out of this"

main offender bombed worse than primitive cool,which is really saying something because primitive cool sucked so bad it made bills record sound like sticky fingers.

you would think they had learned by now-if you want to record,stop jerking off and just go and make another stones album.but that would require a bit of pressure,a standard to live up to and actual work,something neither jagger or richards seem interested in.

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the wino's were just not that good of a band.

Sigh.

Keith has been recording songs for years with various musicians in Ct & NY. In 2002 I was up in Woodstock NY and spent some time with Rob Fraboni & George Receli. Rob mentioned recordings and that I should come and check the studio out.

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the wino's were just not that good of a band.

Sigh.

Winos - saw the live some 20-25 years ago, great band, beats the most of them.

I saw the Winos in 92 at Town N Country Club, Kentish Town on Keith's birthday and it was a @#$%& great night. The songs Keith writes, in my opinion, are full of emotion, ballads, love songs, rockers. Love em all.

The Winos wasn't a good band? Whaat? Really?

Over on the Shidoob site, they're reporting that Keith is recording at Redlands and there is a posted article and pic stating the 'historic reunion' with Anita P...hardly historic as she and Keith are not strangers...anyway, a good pic!

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the wino's were just not that good of a band.

i saw them live a few times and they couldnt have qualified as roadies for the new barbarians.

the production quality on both of keiths records is horrible,just like most of micks solo records its just not that good.as tele said they sound like outtakes from a rolling stones recording session where you can listen to jaggers stuff and listen to keiths stuff and think "yeah they couldve made some great songs out of this"

main offender bombed worse than primitive cool,which is really saying something because primitive cool sucked so bad it made bills record sound like sticky fingers.

you would think they had learned by now-if you want to record,stop jerking off and just go and make another stones album.but that would require a bit of pressure,a standard to live up to and actual work,something neither jagger or richards seem interested in.

The Winos have been a killer band.
What can be done better on "Take it so hard". Its just a perfect production, guitars, drums, everything sounds dirty good. Killer Song.

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Over on the Shidoob site, they're reporting that Keith is recording at Redlands and there is a posted article and pic stating the 'historic reunion' with Anita P...hardly historic as she and Keith are not strangers...anyway, a good pic!

Recording the past week, or when.
please let us know. Thanks.
Jeroen

Posted by Aruru on Shidoobee (I think it has been posted here as well):

Keith Recording at Redlands with Alan and Johnny Clayton, Anita Pallenberg on the Scene



This happened about two weeks ago. Keith's old friend Alan Clayton of The Dirty Strangers brought
his musician father to visit Keith and Anita at Redlands. The Dirty Strangers were formed in Keith's
town of West Wittering around 1985. Keith and Ron played on their first album and on their 2009
release "West 12 to Wittering (Another West Side Story)".

The photo above is of Alan's dad Johnny Clayton, Anita, and Keith. Around July 13, 2014, Redlands UK.

Pic dated around mid-July but article insinuates it's still going on....just saying. He could very well be in NYC now. Anyway, Anita looks rough! But happy

the winos are better than jagger solo .... and maybe even better for the current stones! made two great records .... but I do not think the new album is Keith with the Winos except for Steve Jordan

According to very reliable sources he has spent most of July at Redlands



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Who played in Stockholm and Roskilde then?!

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Who played in Stockholm and Roskilde then?!

See my edit

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According to very reliable sources he has spent most of July at Redlands

i know, but the post about 2 weeks ago, stated that keith recorded a song for Mr Clayton. Maybe he is also recording for his own album, who knows.

jerpen

Is/was Wino's a great band? Well, full of great musicians, a great unity and feel, a great gig act, but still I wouldn't call it a very important or memorable band in the history of great bands.

I think Winos were nothing but a Keith Richards solo band, not a band per se. Which biggest weakness that of the maestro himself having such a role: a frontman and a vocalist. Surely Keef have such a charisma that probably no other rock (or any) musician has, but in the end, his repertuare and scope in those fields is rather limited, which doesn't carry the band, or a show, or a record, very far until starting to sound repetive, one-sided, and, honestly, boring. The rather undisciplined and unfinished sounding song-writing, based more on capturing a feel and groove than of actual writing, might work well within live circumstances (and if one is actually witnessing the act there, and not on the base of a document), but sounds pretty one-dimensional and sketchy on recording (which might be intentional).

The Winos was an interesting experiment in the career of Richards, especially in its time, a necessary curiosity for die-hard Stones fans, but I think it has served its function, and has no really role or need in today's musical world. What I expect from a new Keith Richards solo record is something else. And I am rather sure, it will be.

- Doxa



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This is the Winos for me: A band where everybody made unique contributions, resulting in a very strong-sounding unit.

Important? A bunch of guys in their 40s and 50s, playing rhythm and blues, shouldn't really be important per se - just cool and rocking

One of the better bands around at the time, imo.

I think Main Offender has cemented the impression of Keith and the Winos as groove-oriented only.

It's easy to forget the SONGS:

Yes...This is all part of the brainwash coming from fans who try to get in Camp X-ray "everybody made unique contributions, resulting in a very strong-sounding unit." "One of the better bands around at the time, imo."

It's not bad but it's just a one dimension rock sound with someone singing who shouldn't sing. It's not R&B come on!

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Posted by Aruru on Shidoobee (I think it has been posted here as well):

Yes, two pages back - [www.iorr.org]

According to the Dirty Strangers Facebook linked therein, "Keith played on one of the songs and this past week Johnny and Al went to stay at Keith's home on the South Coast with him to listen to the track and give Johnny a few days away."

So Keith's guest spot on Johnny's album had been recorded earlier.



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Yes...This is all part of the brainwash coming from fans who try to get in Camp X-ray "everybody made unique contributions, resulting in a very strong-sounding unit." "One of the better bands around at the time, imo."

It's not bad but it's just a one dimension rock sound with someone singing who shouldn't sing. It's not R&B come on!

One-dimensional is factually wrong. I don't think that calls for an explanation, when the two albums are loaded with funk, reggae, jazz, ballads, rockers, rockabilly, pop and jams.

Did I leave the impression of ever wanting to get into Camp X-ray?

I didn't know one had to be brainwashed to love Keith's solo stuff, btw...

What do you call this, then, if not rhythm and blues?



















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This is the Winos for me: A band where everybody made unique contributions, resulting in a very strong-sounding unit.

Important? A bunch of guys in their 40s and 50s, playing rhythm and blues, shouldn't really be important per se - just cool and rocking

One of the better bands around at the time, imo.

I think Main Offender has cemented the impression of Keith and the Winos as groove-oriented only.

It's easy to forget the SONGS:

"A bunch of guys in their 40s and 50s, playing rhythm and blues" describes the intent of Bill's Rhythm Kings (if we give them a bit more of age...) and god knows how many local bands out there in the nearest bar than Winos, which, in the end, is a brainchild, and I guess intended contemporary musical statement (at the time) by one of the most influential music-makers of all-time.

What I actually find most interesting in the Winos Project is its extreme nature: it really gives us a 'naked', 'unmasked', 'non-compromised' Keith Richards; what the heart of Rolling Stones sounds without his usual scheme. But what I find a bit disappointing how one-sided and a bit musically dull that 'core' Richards creating his vision of great music actually is. And how damn much Richards needs Mick Jagger to make his musical ideas actually not just finished, but actually great. Yeah, there are some wonderful ideas and feelings captured, around those riffs and sketchy melodies lines, a nice piece of lyrics thrown here and there, but still, even in the songs you pointed out, the songs generally lack some sort of discipline in their final realization. Keith lacks sort of Dylan-like, or McCartney-like, song-writers ability to nail the form. Seemingly it is Jagger who has that sort of virtue as far as Jagger/Richards songs go. Keith Richards doesn't at all such a great song-writer in those Winos records as his reputation might imply.

- Doxa

I agree with a lot in your post, Doxa.

<Seemingly it is Jagger who has that sort of virtue as far as Jagger/Richards songs go. Keith Richards doesn't at all such a great song-writer in those Winos records as his reputation might imply.>

Yep, Mick has "too much" of what Keith lacks, and vice versa - hence Mick's own productions can be a bit too slick, while keith's sound too raw and unpolished.

But what Keith lacks in streamline-ness, structure or discipline, is mainly (almost) compensated by his very varied collection of songs - at least on TIC.

Some of the songs are very commercially tweaked, though: Make No Mistake, Wicked As It Seems, I Could Have Stood You Up (WHY didn't he make this one his first single - if would have hit hard!) and Demon come to mind.

If memory serves, Make No Mistake was also the first promo single that was pushed to record shops in 1988.



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New KR album can be good or it can be awful, impossible to say now without listening to the songs. However, I find it very strange that he chose to release his solo album between the legs of the Stones tour. Who actually release a solo album in the midst of your band activity?
I realize, of course, the commercial and promotional benefits, but it's a bit disloyal, ew?
It's telling that the insider information about Richards solo and the South America leg are published almost simultaneously.I think the band can not be happy with KR' timing but what can they do now when all the contracts are signed?