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owlbynite
Brian sure was a man of style. Mesmerizing to watch him in the old videos.
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owlbynite
Brian sure was a man of style. Mesmerizing to watch him in the old videos.
I don't get it. He wasn't attractive to me at all. Not only was he abusive to women, he anally raped Nico, which is in her autobiography. The guy had issues. I can't get past that side of him. I also think the Mick Taylor-era Stones are the BEST.
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paulspendel
Hi everybody,
The book is out, finally. I posted some info already on the Facebook page, like the statement and the picture of tom and the builder at Cotchford to show we've got stuf. When i started working with Terry we chose a certain approach. This perspective shows the development of the research. This means we point out the differences between his previous book and this one. It does Terry credit he agreed to this approach, because the new book also points out some errors in the first edition,and obvisiously, the right facts this time. This adds, we hope, to the seriousness of the new information.
paul
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owlbynite
Brian sure was a man of style. Mesmerizing to watch him in the old videos.
I don't get it. He wasn't attractive to me at all. Not only was he abusive to women, he anally raped Nico, which is in her autobiography. The guy had issues. I can't get past that side of him. I also think the Mick Taylor-era Stones are the BEST.
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His Majesty
I bought it.
I'm disappointed that it's essentially just the 2005 version with some new chapters added. The new chapters, ie the Final Truth sections are good and a whole new book just focusing on these would have been much better IMO.
Books detailing early stones history etc just aren't that needed anymore, the earlier version wasn't that great for that anyway, so a bit frustrating to see the majority of the book go to a re-print of the 2005 version.
Btw, Rawlings writes kinda like the way he speaks, I can understand how a Bermondsey geezer telling a story might not come across so well to someone more in to heavy, serious toned books, but I had no problem keeping track of who said what and where those quotes came from.
Evem allowing for human error, memory fails etc, the clout of the pulled together quotes, statements, comments and observations by those who were there and/or directly or indirectly involved before, during and after certainly makes for a compelling picture of events.
I spotted a couple of little errors creep in to the new sections, like May 1968 bust being at Courtfield Road when it was actually at Royal Avenue House.
Anyway, the new sections are good, but more of the new and less of the old version would have made or a better book. Chapter by Paul himself would have been good perhaps?
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His Majesty
I bought it.
I'm disappointed that it's essentially just the 2005 version with some new chapters added. The new chapters, ie the Final Truth sections are good and a whole new book just focusing on these would have been much better IMO.
Books detailing early stones history etc just aren't that needed anymore, the earlier version wasn't that great for that anyway, so a bit frustrating to see the majority of the book go to a re-print of the 2005 version.
Btw, Rawlings writes kinda like the way he speaks, I can understand how a Bermondsey geezer telling a story might not come across so well to someone more in to heavy, serious toned books, but I had no problem keeping track of who said what and where those quotes came from.
Evem allowing for human error, memory fails etc, the clout of the pulled together quotes, statements, comments and observations by those who were there and/or directly or indirectly involved before, during and after certainly makes for a compelling picture of events.
I spotted a couple of little errors creep in to the new sections, like May 1968 bust being at Courtfield Road when it was actually at Royal Avenue House.
Anyway, the new sections are good, but more of the new and less of the old version would have made or a better book. Chapter by Paul himself would have been good perhaps?
That's what i think i was trying to say but you said it better your Royal Highness! Especially the "Chapter by Paul himself..." bit.
Please don't think i'm being harsh on you Paul or Terry for that matter. Your work is valuable and appreciated.
I think my problem with Terry's approach is that this should be more of a "true crime" book as opposed to a rock star expose so to speak. I'm sure Terry's a great guy to have a drink and a laugh with...certainly more so than Keylock and Thorogood !
For what it's worth i do agree with the overall thrust of the book re Brian's death. I just don't think this kind of presentation would stand up in court at least as it stands for now.
The only way i can see Brian dying "naturally" (ie from drowning) given the information we have is if he was really seriously mashed (bordering on catatonic) on the hash cakes and even then it just doesn't seem likely. Been there, done that and i'm still here typing rubbish on the internet !
I get the impression that if the police (had) really wanted to work this one they could get a conclusive result one way or the other. If you and Terry are correct there is still at least one person alive who genuinely knows if i remember the book correctly.
I'll be back with some more detailed questions later Paul.
Ironically i'm quite drunk right now and going for a swim in a small pool on a warm evening in Sardinia. It's ok though...family holiday with friends in pool and poolside...sorry if that's too sick for you all...made me laugh though.. and think..how the f*** did he drown in such a small pool with people so close...he wasn't a toddler,didn't have a seizure or asthma attack,wasn't dosed on acid...it doesn't make any sense and i just don't believe it.
Apologies again if my comments upset. I really am off for a swim now...
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His Majesty
I bought it.
I'm disappointed that it's essentially just the 2005 version with some new chapters added. The new chapters, ie the Final Truth sections are good and a whole new book just focusing on these would have been much better IMO.
Books detailing early stones history etc just aren't that needed anymore, the earlier version wasn't that great for that anyway, so a bit frustrating to see the majority of the book go to a re-print of the 2005 version.
Btw, Rawlings writes kinda like the way he speaks, I can understand how a Bermondsey geezer telling a story might not come across so well to someone more in to heavy, serious toned books, but I had no problem keeping track of who said what and where those quotes came from.
Evem allowing for human error, memory fails etc, the clout of the pulled together quotes, statements, comments and observations by those who were there and/or directly or indirectly involved before, during and after certainly makes for a compelling picture of events.
I spotted a couple of little errors creep in to the new sections, like May 1968 bust being at Courtfield Road when it was actually at Royal Avenue House.
Anyway, the new sections are good, but more of the new and less of the old version would have made or a better book. Chapter by Paul himself would have been good perhaps?
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owlbynite
Brian sure was a man of style. Mesmerizing to watch him in the old videos.
I don't get it. He wasn't attractive to me at all. Not only was he abusive to women, he anally raped Nico, which is in her autobiography. The guy had issues. I can't get past that side of him. I also think the Mick Taylor-era Stones are the BEST.
You wouldn't have had that era had Brian been in any way different to how he actually was. It's not the true Rolling Stones though.
Your stance is understandable, but if people allow such things get in the way of music a lot of albums need to be thrown out of people's music collections because the world of music is full of total bastards and bitches.
You ought to also consider Jagger assaulting a woman, which he didn't deny. Getting aggressive with Marianne. Keith firing gun in a room full of people. Keith pointing a gun at someone's face. Bill banging a 13/14 year old.
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His Majesty
Parts of that are in the final truth book, including mention of Klein thing, but they don't place Keylock in the pool, he's in the house when shit goes down.
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His Majesty
Parts of that are in the final truth book, including mention of Klein thing, but they don't place Keylock in the pool, he's in the house when shit goes down.
Which begs the question...which version of the events is true? (The 'Klein Report' that is quoted by Sam Cutler or the 'The Final Truth')
All part of the mystery, I guess.
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His Majesty
Parts of that are in the final truth book, including mention of Klein thing, but they don't place Keylock in the pool, he's in the house when shit goes down.
Which begs the question...which version of the events is true? (The 'Klein Report' that is quoted by Sam Cutler or the 'The Final Truth')
All part of the mystery, I guess.