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Can't believe no one's mentioned the infamous & rumored mash-up of 'Out Of Control' with the (great) Temptations' 'Papa Was A Rolling Stone'! I'd love to hear it.

This?

Thanks!

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Theyre not available.

Most of the leftovers from BTB are songs with Keith on lead vocals (as was the case with Dirty Work)

reason for that probably being that BTB evolved out of two separate solo projects and for part of the sessions various members of the band were working on different songs in separate wings of the same studio

I'd add that Keef recorded with his posse in one room while Mick played with the Dust Bros (who?) in another one.
Despite the "DW part. II" ominous settings, I think BTB was a very good album.

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Doxa
And I thought my passionate country-fellow seitan was back...

That's the sadness in bringing back up old threads - and this is not even very old - like hearing voices behind the grave...

- Doxa

whatever happened to our seitanic friend? was he banned, or did he self-deactivate?

I missed teh question, sorry treacle..

I just don't know. There was some heated (political?) discussion, and suddenly he was gone.

- Doxa

B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

<<B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.>>

If Charlie plays drums on it, then it's a Stones album--unlike, say, Dirty Work, where you had Anton Zip from the Dave Letterman Show house band filling in.

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B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

This just isn't true. I was at the session where they recorded the basic track to Flip the Switch (ten minutes long). They (the four) were playing together, eating together, there wasn't a load of people distracting. They may have brought in some material meant for solo albums, but it was a band album in the end.

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B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

They did bring lyrics and arrangements to the table, but by that logic there are very few actual Stones albums.

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B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

This just isn't true. I was at the session where they recorded the basic track to Flip the Switch (ten minutes long). They (the four) were playing together, eating together, there wasn't a load of people distracting. They may have brought in some material meant for solo albums, but it was a band album in the end.

Thanks for the info. Teddy. I'd like to hear that 10 minute FTS. I was always under the impression it was more a meshing of two solo projects as well. It's good to have that long-held misconception cleared up.

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B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

This just isn't true. I was at the session where they recorded the basic track to Flip the Switch (ten minutes long). They (the four) were playing together, eating together, there wasn't a load of people distracting. They may have brought in some material meant for solo albums, but it was a band album in the end.

Dear Teddy, whats the status on the new Keef album...

Please shed some light on it, if you please.
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B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

This just isn't true. I was at the session where they recorded the basic track to Flip the Switch (ten minutes long). They (the four) were playing together, eating together,

And the "solo" KR song TITNight was in fact a strict 50/50 composition between Keef and Mick.

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B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.

This just isn't true. I was at the session where they recorded the basic track to Flip the Switch (ten minutes long). They (the four) were playing together, eating together,

And the "solo" KR song TITNight was in fact a strict 50/50 composition between Keef and Mick.

Why is Pierre credited, then?

Haven't heard any new details on timing for the solo venture but I haven't been with anyone to ask. Maybe this weekend.

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Haven't heard any new details on timing for the solo venture but I haven't been with anyone to ask. Maybe this weekend.

Thanks a lot Teddy. Thanks for informing us everytime, great !! Hope to hear/read from you soon about Keefs solo adventure.
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the "solo" KR song TITNight was in fact a strict 50/50 composition between Keef and Mick.[/b]

Why is Pierre credited, then? [/quote]

That's what Mick explained to Pierre : "we split the songwriting rights 50/50 between Keef and me and you Pierre get the rest..."
No wodner why PDB still works as a guitar tech for keef to pay the bills! ><

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maybe the stones will release a cd with outtakes from the 90's and include some of these songs on it

I'd be very much interested in such a CD.

Also, thank you for this thread guys. It's a great read.

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the "solo" KR song TITNight was in fact a strict 50/50 composition between Keef and Mick.[/b]

Why is Pierre credited, then?

That's what Mick explained to Pierre : "we split the songwriting rights 50/50 between Keef and me and you Pierre get the rest..."
No wodner why PDB still works as a guitar tech for keef to pay the bills! ><[/quote]

Lowdown sounds like something Keith laid down with just Charlie.

I'd love to hear the other Keith songs. The three he has on BTB are incredible.

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<<B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.>>

If Charlie plays drums on it, then it's a Stones album--unlike, say, Dirty Work, where you had Anton Zip from the Dave Letterman Show house band filling in.

Anton Fig only did some percussion (and bassdrum) on 2-3 songs on DW.

Ron Wood plays the drums on Sleep Tonight

Possibly Steve Jordan on Too Rude and Back to Zero, or CW plays BtZ with Fig rerecording the bassdrumpart.

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Lowdown sounds like something Keith laid down with just Charlie.

(When we wrote it), I started playing drums in the studio and Keith playing guitar... It was only Keith and me. So I am playing the drums and he is playing guitar. It was quite fun. - Mick Jagger, 1997

Low Down is the first song that Mick and I wrote specifically for Bridges To Babylon. - Keith Richards, 1998

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<<B2B was NOT a Stones album. It was dualing Mick & Keef solo albums.>>

If Charlie plays drums on it, then it's a Stones album--unlike, say, Dirty Work, where you had Anton Zip from the Dave Letterman Show house band filling in.

Anton Fig only did some percussion (and bassdrum) on 2-3 songs on DW.

Ron Wood plays the drums on Sleep Tonight

Possibly Steve Jordan on Too Rude and Back to Zero, or CW plays BtZ with Fig rerecording the bassdrumpart.

Steve is on Too Rude (with the echo machine )

I knew Ronnie drums on Sleep Tonight. I wondered about the rest. I never thought Too Rude was Charlie. Steve Jordan makes sense. Charlie played on all but two tracks? They talk like he's barely on the LP. So it should read...


Line-up ‘One Hit’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/RW (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/Jimmy Page (gtr)/Bobby Womack (bvoc)/Don Covay (bvoc)/
Patti Scialfa (bvoc)/Bevery D’Angelo (bvoc)/Chuck Leavell (keyb)

Line-up ‘Fight’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/RW (gtr, bass, bvoc)/CW (dr)/Chuck
Leavell (org)/Ivan Neville, Steve Jordan & Charley Drayton (bvoc)

Line-up ‘Harlem Shuffle’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/RW (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/Bobby Womack (bvoc)/Tom Waits (bvoc)/Chuck Leavell
(org, synth)

Line-up ‘Hold Back’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/RW (gtr)/CW (dr)/Ivan Neville (bass)/
Bobby Womack (gtr)/Chuck Leavell (org)


Line-up ‘Too Rude’: KR (voc, gtr)/RW (gtr, bass)/Steve Jordan (dr)/Jimmy Cliff
(bvoc)/Chuck Leavell (p)


Line-up ‘Winning Ugly’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/RW (gtr)/John Regan? (bass)/
CW (dr)/Chuck Leavell (synth)/Janice Pendarvis and Dollette
McDonald (bvoc)

Line-up ‘Back To Zero’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr)/RW (bass)/CW (dr)/Bobby
Womack (gtr)/Chuck Leavell (org)/Marku Ribas (perc)/Philippe
Saisse (keyb)/Dan Collette (tp)

Line-up ‘Dirty Work’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/RW (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)/Chuck Leavell (org)

Line-up ‘Had It With You’: MJ (voc, harm)/KR (gtr)/RW (gtr, sax)/CW (dr)


Line-up ‘Sleep Tonight’: KR (voc, gtr, p, bass)/RW (dr, bvoc)/Chuck
Leavell (synth)/Bobby Womack and/or Don Covay (bvoc)
Note: Also Anton Fig (dr and/or perc) and Alan Rogan (gtr) on some of the tracks.

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I'm not sure if Ronnie plays guitar at all on Fight.

I don't think Bobby played guitar on other tracks than Back To Zero.

Anton Fig probably patched together Ronnie's drumming.

Ronnie Wood's solo on Hold Back has the exact same sound as Jimmy Page's solo on One Hit (To The Body)...

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I'm not sure if Ronnie plays guitar at all on Fight.

I don't think Bobby played guitar on other tracks than Back To Zero.

Anton Fig probably patched together Ronnie's drumming.

Ronnie Wood's solo on Hold Back has the exact same sound as Jimmy Page's solo on One Hit (To The Body)...

Ha ha! You've listened to that LP a lot huh!? That's funny.

That LP's lifespan was very short for me. I loved Harlem Shuffle, the 12 inch release, as well as One Hit. The LP was sort of... since it was new I played it a lot. By the end of 1986 I stopped listening to it. When it came out on Virgin (on CD that is) I got it, just out of being an idiot 'gotta get 'em all' kind of record buyer, and listened to it a few times.

It's like having a really bad TV picture in HD. It's really difficult to listen to.

BRIDGES, on the other hand - what a breath of fresh air. Their most vibrant LP since UNDERCOVER I thought.

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I'm not sure if Ronnie plays guitar at all on Fight.

I don't think Bobby played guitar on other tracks than Back To Zero.

Anton Fig probably patched together Ronnie's drumming.

Ronnie Wood's solo on Hold Back has the exact same sound as Jimmy Page's solo on One Hit (To The Body)...

Ha ha! You've listened to that LP a lot huh!? That's funny.

That LP's lifespan was very short for me. I loved Harlem Shuffle, the 12 inch release, as well as One Hit. The LP was sort of... since it was new I played it a lot. By the end of 1986 I stopped listening to it. When it came out on Virgin (on CD that is) I got it, just out of being an idiot 'gotta get 'em all' kind of record buyer, and listened to it a few times.

It's like having a really bad TV picture in HD. It's really difficult to listen to.

BRIDGES, on the other hand - what a breath of fresh air. Their most vibrant LP since UNDERCOVER I thought.

I have listened A LOT to all Stones-albums, including DW

It sounds like Ronnie and Page used the same amp and the same guitar for those two tunes (OH and H.

I used to listen to them all a lot. Then I got interested in where the edits were and how the guitars would go in and out of the mix and on DW it's just pointless to listen at all. Not because of the editing and certainly not because of the mix...

SOME GIRLS probably has the most edited songs on it. EMOTIONAL RESCUE probably has the most interesting mixes for their 'modern' ie 24 or more track recordings. She's So Cold has a guitar arrive in the middle of the song that you can't even notice.

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I used to listen to them all a lot. Then I got interested in where the edits were and how the guitars would go in and out of the mix and on DW it's just pointless to listen at all. Not because of the editing and certainly not because of the mix...

SOME GIRLS probably has the most edited songs on it. EMOTIONAL RESCUE probably has the most interesting mixes for their 'modern' ie 24 or more track recordings. She's So Cold has a guitar arrive in the middle of the song that you can't even notice.

During the entire Chris Kimsey era, you'll find mystery guitars and incredible edits. That guy was a master of tape editing. It's incredible.

"Line-up ‘One Hit’: MJ (voc)/KR (gtr, bvoc)/RW (gtr, bvoc)/BW (bass)/
CW (dr)"

I never believed for one minute that Charlie is on this track. The drumming is muscular and deprived of any subtility = it can't be Mr. Watts!
So it's either Jordan or Fig...

Couldn't resist bumping that thread since Keith and Sheryl Crow are apparently working together again, not on "High or Low" unfortunately...[www.rollingstone.com]

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In the meantime, she's also working on an all-star record with Don Henley, Stevie Nicks, Willie Nelson, Vince Gill, Kris Kristofferson and many others. Several of the songs are new, though she's duetting with Keith Richards on the 1994 Rolling Stones tune "The Worst"

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Doxa
And I thought my passionate country-fellow seitan was back...

That's the sadness in bringing back up old threads - and this is not even very old - like hearing voices behind the grave...

- Doxa

whatever happened to our seitanic friend? was he banned, or did he self-deactivate?

I missed teh question, sorry treacle..

I just don't know. There was some heated (political?) discussion, and suddenly he was gone.

- Doxa

Thankfully we'll have none of that here, Doxa. That kind of chatter can really bring out the worst in us all. My brain's been battered. Won't you join the IORRans again for a discussion? Just don't complain about Keith too much. You must have some other stuff to say?

Jan. 10, 2002: Keith collaboration with Sheryl Crow

"Keith and Sheryl Crow have been working on a song called "High or Low", she told reporters backstage at the American Music Awards in Los Angeles last night. It is still a work-in-progress and it won't be on her album, which comes out in a few months.

...and then 'High or Low' disappeared!