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Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: May 22, 2013 12:58

Certain sound levels you can permanently damage your hearing in one second.
If you ever go shooting guns always wear ear protection, one shot will make your ears ring.




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Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: maradona ()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:03

Had exactly the same - a sudden deafness - two weeks ago although it may be unusual in the age of 19. Especially at night this was awful as you could not fall asleep as you used to... The doctor gave me some medicine because normally there are good ways to make somebody get well and after 10 days everything was fine again. However the most important thing is to go to the doctor as soon as possible!

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: RoughJusticeOnYa ()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:05

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GravityBoy
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crumbling_mice
Only Americans would even think about taking legal action against a promoter for hearing damage!

You what?

Sue him! (...her?)

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Date: May 22, 2013 13:06

only an idiot would go to a concert without ear plugs. the ringing in your ears is actually hearing damage. it does go away but you lost some hearing. its not healed. there are tiny hairs in your ear that move back and forth and loud noises make them move so fast they rip out and these hairs do not grow back.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: GravityBoy ()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:09

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Max'sKansasCity
Certain sound levels you can permanently damage your hearing in one second.
If you ever go shooting guns always wear ear protection, one shot will make your ears ring.

An important one is headphones - not on there, but then it depends on volume.

People don't realise.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: maradona ()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:12

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GravityBoy
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Max'sKansasCity
Certain sound levels you can permanently damage your hearing in one second.
If you ever go shooting guns always wear ear protection, one shot will make your ears ring.

An important one is headphones - not on there, but then it depends on volume.

People don't realise.

thumbs up very important

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: May 22, 2013 13:18

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GravityBoy
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Max'sKansasCity
Certain sound levels you can permanently damage your hearing in one second.
If you ever go shooting guns always wear ear protection, one shot will make your ears ring.

An important one is headphones - not on there, but then it depends on volume.

People don't realise.

Yup, I have pretty much stopped wearing head phones, except for watching movies on planes where I can see the sound level, and I dont keep notching it up. I never wear those ear bobs, but I worry about kids that wear those things non stop, not that they would listen to one word of advice.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Erik_Snow ()
Date: May 22, 2013 15:24

Ear ringing......that's just a nice feeling, isn't it?

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: mgshorr ()
Date: May 22, 2013 17:53

Thx for replies

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: gimmelittledrink ()
Date: May 22, 2013 18:15

My ears have been ringing for 30 years. Good luck.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: kovach ()
Date: May 22, 2013 18:25

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Max'sKansasCity

I bought my first paid of ear plugs after using napkins to plug my ears at a crazy loud concert, I think it was the Balck and Blue tour (Black Sabbth with Blue Oyster Cult opening, and it was stupid loud..... it took a week to get all of the napkins out of my ear, finally getting some help do it with tweezers (yeah dumb kid stuff) (but at least I got smart and bought some cheapos for the next shows....and eventually bought really good ear plugs)

i post this mainly for parents considering who take their kids to concerts buy the kids plugs(its too late all for all of us old people, we blew our ears out years ago ;0 ). Ear damage can happen instantly and is permanent.

Kinda funny, I had a similar experience years ago, was so loud stuck little balls of napkin in my ears...only to have trouble getting them out later.

Unfortunately after 30 years of concerts I didn't wise up soon enough, I too have tinnitus. Some days almost non-existent, others loud enough to keep me awake. And the doctor pretty much told me there's nothing that can be done about it except take precautions from making it worse.

Already got ear plugs for my 12 year old who I'm taking to Chicago for a show next week.



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Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: with sssoul ()
Date: May 22, 2013 18:26

I've had tinnitus since I was a child (probably from that Beatle concert at age 9)
and it's about the level mgshorr describes: not that noticeable, most of the time, except when I'm surrounded by silence
or when I'm stressing out and trying to decide whether my ears are ringing louder than usual. :E
It's gotten a little worse over the decades but still doesn't interfere with anything.
I know some people have a form that's painful and debilitating - but it isn't always like that.
I hope yours is either temporary or very laid back.



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Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 22, 2013 18:34

Keep away from noise and loud music as much as possible so that your ear can recover. The human hearing is sophisticated and adaptive. It has got measures to defend itself against damage. Tinnitus is just a sign of temporarily damage. Take the hint and keep away from noise for the next week or so. Then your hearing will repair slowly. If you go to another concert then you will make things worse.

The danger about tinnitus is it is both temporarily and permanent over time. If you do not recover over night or over the next day then you are in trouble. If it takes 3-4 days then it is serious. Permanent tinnitus is a nightmare, and it is increasing by age, so be smart and let it heal now. The doctor can do nothing except tell you to stray away from loud music, traffic and noise.

Bjornulf

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: mgshorr ()
Date: May 22, 2013 18:42

Thanks BV and everyone else.

Last few days I have been wearing a plug over my left ear to let it rest and recover. I recommend these silicon plugs to anyone. It molds to the shape of your ear and blocks out most noise.

Silicon Ear Plugs


It is crazy that it happened in an instant. There was a certain note that Dave Grohl hit and I felt something happen. Like some kind of physical reaction in my ear that made me cringe.

I will keep you all posted on what happens as I'm sure my story could help others.

Wear the plugs!

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Gibson668 ()
Date: May 22, 2013 19:01

Ear plugs are the way to go...I got a good pair and it's transformed gigs...
The Hammersmith Odeon..will supply them if you ask staff at a show..signs everywhere!

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Shug ()
Date: May 22, 2013 20:08

Hi folks,

I'm an audiologist, so tinnitus and hearing loss from all causes is stuff I work with everyday and that I studied and got my clinical doctorate degree in.

Some stuff posted here is correct, some is not and some is half correct. Everyone's experience with hearing loss and tinnitus from loud noise damage will be a little bit different.

When you get damage to your ears from an episode of loud noise, alot of the hearing loss and perhaps the tinnitus will likely subside in 24-48 hours. There will probably be a little bit of damage that will not recover and it is permanent, unfortunately. The permanent part of the hearing loss may not be noticeable to you, but it probably can be measured by testing that an audiologist performs. It may take years of rock concerts before you really notice the permanent hearing loss or it could just take one. It all depends on how loud it is and for how long you are exposed. Sitting closer to speakers means its louder.

There is not much you can do to heal damage to your ears from loud noise. You can only protect yourself from more damage in the future. The tinnitus or ringing is a symptom of the damage. Whether you continue to hear it or not depends a lot on how much your brain pays attention to it. You can slowly over time train yourself and your brain to pay less attention to the tinnitus. There are tinnitus treatment programs for people who have chronic tinnitus, but their goal is not to make tinnitus go away entirely, but to help you notice it less often and for it to be an emotionally-neutral experience, meaning it doesn't bother you too much.

So for mgshorr, I would advise seeing an audiologist to get a hearing test. The audiologist can help you decide if a medical evaluation with an otologist (ear physician) is warranted. There is very little, if any, medical treatment for noise induced hearing loss. (Some of the sudden onset hearing losses described in this thread are completely different from noise-induced. Sudden hearing losses NOT from noise absolutely require immediate medical evaluation by an otologist) I would also advise you to wear hearing protection around loud noises such as motorcycles, power tools, guns, concerts. Vacuum cleaners and hair dryers have been shown to generally be not loud enough to damage hearing.

I wear these ear plugs at every show I see and I've seen hundreds of concerts in my life. http://www.etymotic.com/hp/erme.html. These are custom fit and require an audiologist or hearing aid specialist to take impressions of your ears. You can also get one-size fits all musicians plugs at drugstores. concert ear plugs These are a GREAT investment for any music lover, I highly recommend them.



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Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Max'sKansasCity ()
Date: May 22, 2013 20:13

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Shug
Hi folks,

I'm an audiologist, so tinnitus and hearing loss from all causes is stuff I work with everyday and that I studied and got my clinical doctorate degree in.

Some stuff posted here is correct, some is not and some is half correct. Everyone's experience with hearing loss and tinnitus from loud noise damage will be a little bit different.

When you get damage to your ears from an episode of loud noise, alot of the hearing loss and perhaps the tinnitus will likely subside in 24-48 hours. There will probably be a little bit of damage that will not recover and it is permanent, unfortunately. The permanent part of the hearing loss may not be noticeable to you, but it probably can be measured by testing that an audiologist performs. It may take years of rock concerts before you really notice the permanent hearing loss or it could just take one. It all depends on how loud it is and for how long you are exposed. Sitting closer to speakers means its louder.

There is not much you can do to heal damage to your ears from loud noise. You can only protect yourself from more damage in the future. The tinnitus or ringing is a symptom of the damage. Whether you continue to hear it or not depends a lot on how much your brain pays attention to it. You can slowly over time train yourself and your brain to pay less attention to the tinnitus. There are tinnitus treatment programs for people who have chronic tinnitus, but their goal is not to make tinnitus go away entirely, but to help you notice it less often and for it to be an emotionally-neutral experience, meaning it doesn't bother you too much.

So for mgshorr, I would advise seeing an audiologist to get a hearing test. The audiologist can help you decide if a medical evaluation with an otologist (ear physician) is warranted. There is very little, if any, medical treatment for noise induced hearing loss. I would also advise you to wear hearing protection around loud noises such as motorcycles, power tools, guns, concerts. Vacuum cleaners and hair dryers have been shown to generally be not loud enough to damage hearing.

I wear these ear plugs at every show I see and I've seen hundreds of concerts in my life. http://www.etymotic.com/hp/erme.html. These are custom fit and require an audiologist or hearing aid specialist to take impressions of your ears. You can also get one-size fits all musicians plugs at drugstores. concert ear plugs These are a GREAT investment for any music lover, I highly recommend them.

Thank you Doctor, that infromation is much appreciated, especially the plug recommendation.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Date: May 22, 2013 20:13

My ears have been ringing since I heard the Sonics at the 1966 Seattle Teen Fair!

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: runrudolph ()
Date: May 22, 2013 20:17

my ears have been ringing since i celebrated the release of Steel wheels, headphone on, Volume at 10, 2 Bottles of wine.

How dumb i was. The ringing in my ears is still there, and i have become a little deaf. well not deaf, but some highnotes are gone. in a room of people i dont hear too clearly.

Yeah, Ive been a fool.

Would never do that again !!!

Jeroen

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: mgshorr ()
Date: May 22, 2013 21:26

Quote
Shug
Hi folks,

I'm an audiologist, so tinnitus and hearing loss from all causes is stuff I work with everyday and that I studied and got my clinical doctorate degree in.

Some stuff posted here is correct, some is not and some is half correct. Everyone's experience with hearing loss and tinnitus from loud noise damage will be a little bit different.

When you get damage to your ears from an episode of loud noise, alot of the hearing loss and perhaps the tinnitus will likely subside in 24-48 hours. There will probably be a little bit of damage that will not recover and it is permanent, unfortunately. The permanent part of the hearing loss may not be noticeable to you, but it probably can be measured by testing that an audiologist performs. It may take years of rock concerts before you really notice the permanent hearing loss or it could just take one. It all depends on how loud it is and for how long you are exposed. Sitting closer to speakers means its louder.

There is not much you can do to heal damage to your ears from loud noise. You can only protect yourself from more damage in the future. The tinnitus or ringing is a symptom of the damage. Whether you continue to hear it or not depends a lot on how much your brain pays attention to it. You can slowly over time train yourself and your brain to pay less attention to the tinnitus. There are tinnitus treatment programs for people who have chronic tinnitus, but their goal is not to make tinnitus go away entirely, but to help you notice it less often and for it to be an emotionally-neutral experience, meaning it doesn't bother you too much.

So for mgshorr, I would advise seeing an audiologist to get a hearing test. The audiologist can help you decide if a medical evaluation with an otologist (ear physician) is warranted. There is very little, if any, medical treatment for noise induced hearing loss. (Some of the sudden onset hearing losses described in this thread are completely different from noise-induced. Sudden hearing losses NOT from noise absolutely require immediate medical evaluation by an otologist) I would also advise you to wear hearing protection around loud noises such as motorcycles, power tools, guns, concerts. Vacuum cleaners and hair dryers have been shown to generally be not loud enough to damage hearing.

I wear these ear plugs at every show I see and I've seen hundreds of concerts in my life. http://www.etymotic.com/hp/erme.html. These are custom fit and require an audiologist or hearing aid specialist to take impressions of your ears. You can also get one-size fits all musicians plugs at drugstores. concert ear plugs These are a GREAT investment for any music lover, I highly recommend them.

Thanks for this information. I see my doctor tomorrow night. Will keep you posted.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: bv ()
Date: May 22, 2013 21:33

I did my master degree in audiology and computer science hearing aid measurements. The advices from Shug are all very accurate. People do care a lot about overweight, eating and drinking healthy, but they don't care about their hearing at all. Gunshots, chain saw, cutting the grass with a machine, airports, or concerts for hours, they all make your later life horrible with tinnitus, and you will not hear much as you get older.

Personally I never use ear plugs, but then again the Stones do not play that loud really. It is all a bit personal, hearing sensitivity is individual. I remember having ear plugs after getting temporarily tinnitus one time in Hartford, but that following show with earplugs was a big waste. I like to hear the guitars 100%. Bring earplugs in your pocket just in case. Start using them if you feel pain. Your ears will tell you if they suffer. Move away from the speaker if it is making pain. Listen to your body.

PS. And while we are on the subject - I never ever listen to music through earplugs. The fastest way to damage your hearing, and you don't even feel the pain, it is just sneaking in, because you adapt to the slight pain.

Bjornulf

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: lem motlow ()
Date: May 22, 2013 21:53

i once went to see led zeppelin two nights in a row.one show was 3 hours and 45 minutes and the next one was a mere 3 hours and 30 minutes.

yes, you read that correctly. we didnt wear seatbelts,watch what we ate,try to stop smoking or god forbid keep an eye on the amount we drank or ...ingested. so earplugs,cmon earplugs??

so it is that while i am still alive for some reason,when they put me in the ground the gathered crowd will say "what is that high pitched ringing sound coming from the dirt?"

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: owlbynite ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:27

Nobody's yet mentioned equilibrium troubles that can accompany this. When it hit me, I stood up when my alarm went off & promptly fell over to my left, the side I didn't know I went deaf on overnite. My diagnosis eventually was nerve damage, permanent & irreverseable. Surgeons eventually speculated a cold virus invaded the ear nerve. Again, there were no loud noises, rock concerts or injuries to the head that precipitated this. It was a total mystery. I've learned to ignore the constant ear ringing that never ceases.

grinning smileyRe: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: WindyHorses ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:36

Glad to see that you are going to the doctor. Good luck.

Of course, I am sure you will no longer be attending any more Rolling Stones concerts ever ever ever in your life. grinning smiley

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: WindyHorses ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:38

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Max'sKansasCity
Certain sound levels you can permanently damage your hearing in one second.
If you ever go shooting guns always wear ear protection, one shot will make your ears ring.

You know, Max, I do not see Rolling Stones concert on this gauge.

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: crumbling_mice ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:41

Attending music gigs is a risk to your hearing, if you are concerned about your hearing, don;t go, but to even consider taking legal action is just plain ridiculous, it would only take one succesful law suit and then that would be the end of live shows where music is played as it should be - loud. I've been to literraly hundreds of rock concerts, and stood very closs to the stacks that would tower up at the side of the stages. After one particuarly loud concert (The Who) I could barely hear for a week, just a constant ringing. This happened at most concerts if you were in the stalls. There was a Motorhead gig where a man;s ear drum burst. Did he take legal action - no, and quite right. THe world is getting ridiculous when it comes to claiming against organisations and businesses. I'm sick to death of Health and Safety taking the enjoyment out of everything. We are all free agents and we should take responsibility for our own actions rather than blame others.


Re: grinning smileyRe: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: mgshorr ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:42

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WindyHorses
Glad to see that you are going to the doctor. Good luck.

Of course, I am sure you will no longer be attending any more Rolling Stones concerts ever ever ever in your life. grinning smiley

As long as I can still hear the music, I'll be there! (W/Plugs next time)

Re: grinning smileyRe: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: WindyHorses ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:47

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mgshorr
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WindyHorses
Glad to see that you are going to the doctor. Good luck.

Of course, I am sure you will no longer be attending any more Rolling Stones concerts ever ever ever in your life. grinning smiley

As long as I can still hear the music, I'll be there! (W/Plugs next time)

thumbs upthumbs upthumbs up

Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: Alfonz ()
Date: May 22, 2013 22:57

When I was in my early 20s (now 33), I went to a Dinosaur Jr concert (widely known as one of the loudest acts out there), and I am 100% certain my ears were permanently damaged at that show. I thought damage was supposed to come from long term exposure building up, but I think that you can get damage from a short term blast of noise at a concert.

Ears were ringing very loudly for days, but also in quite a lot of pain. Something was wrong, it was way worse than any other concert. Up to that point, I'd have ringing for a day or so, then it would disappear. I went to my doctor(GP, not an audiologist), thought I had perforated an ear drum or something. He couldn't see any damage, all I could do was wait it out. The pain and loud ringing gradually subsided over the next week or two, but I now have permanent tinnitus on a very low scale. I can hear ringing when it is absolutely quiet, but if there is any kind of background noise, I don't notice it at all (which is 99% of the time). I often think that subconsciously my brain is able to block it out now.

I wouldn't say my hearing has diminished from that one incident. I can still hear very faint sounds that people around me don't hear ... I just have this tinnitus that I described.

I actually look at it as a blessing in disguise. Ever since that day I wear earplugs at every single concert I go to (actually whenever I go out, in case I end up in a loud place). I see 2-3 shows each week, so it would be madness to subject my ears to that much noise, unprotected. I don't use the cheap foam ones, not the fancy musicians ones ... but ones that cost about $10 (Etymotic Research is what I use, glad to see that audiologist recommend them).

It has also improved my gig going enjoyment substantially. The sound is WAY BETTER when you put non-cheapo-foam earplugs in. Everything sounds clearer/crisper, it's quite amazing the extra nuances you can hear when you filter out some of the loud feedback. And no ringing after the show. With the ones I use, you can adjust how far you push them in, and how much sound they block out. Sometimes it is shocking to take them out and listen to how loud it is without them, and you realise how bad it would be for your ears without earplugs.

I often look around and reflect that 98% of the crowd have no hearing protection, like myself once upon a time. I've bought many pairs of earplugs, and given them to all my close friends, who all swear by them.

There's no need to feel the slightest bit uncool about earplugs, most people don't even notice. And if they did, who cares? They wouldn't think anything less of you, and probably wish they had some themselves.



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Re: Ear ringing since Saturday Night in Anaheim...how long will this last?
Posted by: DoomandGloom ()
Date: May 22, 2013 23:19

Peter Frampton did the worst damage to my ears... In the 70's every band was awfully loud, The Allmans, Rick Derringer... I had to leave my orchestra seats for Skynard, Allen Collins played so loud it brought me to tears. The Stones volume is about half that, I don't know what happened with Grohl but he is a B stock artist and there's no way he deserves to share a stage with our boys. Maybe we're done with guests now that Taylor has entered the stratosphere....

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