There is an equilibrium - A story of the stones

1962 - 1972 is pure naive energy and creative aspirational wonder. The musical journey almost fully completes itself within those years. Present through out those years is the balance between the male and female muse. All the best bands have them and all suffer when the balance between them sways too far to one side.

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In 1973 they still aspired to greater things, but the imbalance between Goats Head Soup and the 1973 European tour show that the bands equilibrium was damaged. They had reached their natural conclusion really, all things must pass. It was during this time that the female muse gently flew away, leaving some long lasting, deeply felt memories.

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1974 - 1986 is the sound of a group of male musicians realising the female muse has left them, but they keep on trying to fool both themselves and their fans in to thinking she hasn't. The cold reality hits home eventually and then those musical men mostly become all about money.

Empty musical hearts, but healthy bank balances to cover the pain.



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01:00 on a Tuesday morning in your part of the world and this is all you have to do ?

You have no life !

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01:00 on a Tuesday morning in your part of the world and this is all you have to do ?

You have no life !

I have a great life actually.

His Majesty - The First 21 years were great although I would agree the second eleven are not as great as the first ten but a lot bands would like to have what the Stones put out from 1973-1983.

Goats Head Soup, Some Girls, 1/2 of Black'n'Blue, Tattoo You... pointless?

Errrrm, have fun with that?

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Indeed. IMO,after 1972 they only had a few nice songs.

picky...picky...picky

I really don't understand why anyone who doesn't like the Stones post-'73 would still follow, or comment on, what the band is doing in 2012.

Seems like a colossal waste of time.

Pretty self-absorbed comment. I guess it never occurred to you that instead of them giving up their career and quitting music, you could just stop buying/listening to them.

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To me Steel Wheels was their swan song, although I still enjoy some of their live shows. I never find myself anxious to hear much of their post '89 work. Love is Strong, You Got Me Rocking, Rough Justice. That's about it. I'm even finding it hard to get excited about what they're going to do live this time around. I'm still going for the pay-per-view.

I have a friend who won't listen to anything post Brian Jones, so he's an even bigger a-hole when it comes to the group. I basically draw the line at anything after Wyman.

How does your friend handle listening to jones era songs that don't or barely feature him?

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There is an equilibrium - A story of the stones

1962 - 1972 is pure naive energy and creative aspirational wonder. The musical journey almost fully completes itself within those years. Present through out those years is the balance between the male and female muse. All the best bands have them and all suffer when the balance between them sways too far to one side.

...

In 1973 they still aspired to greater things, but the inbalance between Goats Head Soup and the 1973 European tour show that the bands equilibrium was damaged. They had reached their natural conclusion really, all things must pass. It was during this time that the female muse gently flew away, leaving some long lasting, deeply felt memories.

...

1974 - 1986 is the sound of a group of male musicians realising the female muse has left them, but they keep on trying to fool both themselves and their fans in to thinking she hasn't. The cold reality hits home eventually and then those musical men mostly become all about money.

An empty, broken musical heart, but a healthy bank balance to cover the pain.

What Porno are you watching!

Strange post about the female muse!!

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Strange post about the female muse!!

Meaningless pop-psycho fluff. Still... it wasn't there earlier.
Creeeeeepy....



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How does your friend handle listening to jones era songs that don't or barely feature him?

I don't think he goes into it that deep. He sees the Jones era Stones as the REAL Rolling Stones. Beggars Banquet pretty much wraps it up for him.

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How come it took 4 edits to get to that smiley face. Did you need someone to come to your emoticon rescue?


OK, I should definitely go into the IORR hall of fame for that one.

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His Majesty

How come it took 4 edits to get to that smiley face. Did you need someone to come to your emoticon rescue?


OK, I should definitely go into the IORR hall of fame for that one.

Cos I realised i'm not the only one with mixed emoticons.

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Strange post about the female muse!!

Meaningless pop-psycho fluff. Still... it wasn't there earlier.
Creeeeeepy....

The presence of the essential feminine side in certain great bands music is not meaningless.

Your band does not have it and you clearly don't recognise it so it's no surprise that you are so dismissive.

Good stuff, His Majesty!

Reminds me vaguely of one person talking about the Stones in Finnish radio back in 1995 (she is an artist of her her own right). She had been hanging in Richmond back in 1963, but that's not important. But she made the point that The Stones lost feminine side in their doings soon afterwards when Brian Jones left the group, and they became a rather masculine, a typical 'boys' band' from the 70's on (and of course, she didn't find them inspiring any longer). I remeber this clearly because I had never thought that way; it gave a brandnew perspective.

This might overlap with your point of "female muse" - maybe Jones actually had quite a lot to do with that.

- Doxa

This is silly that Phillip is put on the defensive because he addressed a cornerstone, a building block of any kind of artistic expression.
call it what you will: the yin and the yang, the light and the dark, the Mick and the Keith side.
Using the term 'muse' could be a bit confusing, simply because there is no such thing as a male muse. But it helps here to make the point elegantly, so...

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Good stuff, His Majesty!

Reminds me vaguely of one person talking about the Stones in Finnish radio back in 1995 (she is an artist of her her own right). She had been hanging in Richmond back in 1963, but that's not important. But she made the point that The Stones lost feminine side in their doings soon afterwards when Brian Jones left the group, and they became a rather masculine, a typical 'boys' band' from the 70's on (and of course, she didn't find them inspiring any longer). I remeber this clearly because I had never thought that way; it gave a brandnew perspective.

This might overlap with your point of "female muse" - maybe Jones actually had quite a lot to do with that.

- Doxa

I agree it's an interesting point of view.

Well, yeah, Brian took the sensitive, ethereal part of the group with him. It didn't matter what instrument he was puttering around on, he got that instrument to produce something unique and beyond words. Take his flute out of Ruby Tuesday and it's reduced by half. If you want to call that 'feminine', I guess, but Harrison often brought that same element to the Beatles. (Another Pisces). If you want to follow the Astrology line, the Stones were balanced by two fire signs, Mick & Keith, and two water signs, Bill & Brian, and an air sign, Charlie, that mixed well with either.

Bill was the last water sign in the group. Charlie even described his playing as feminine. They replaced him with another fire sign, Darryl, which has added nothing of significance to their sound. People yearn for that push and pull of Mick and Keith against Bill. That's why Plundered My Soul was such affirmation that Bill was indeed a missed ingredient of their sound. That's why Jack White as producer might produce something different, he's a water sign, being born in July.

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I really don't understand why anyone who doesn't like the Stones post-'73 would still follow, or comment on, what the band is doing in 2012.

Seems like a colossal waste of time.

I love this post.

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I really don't understand why anyone who doesn't like the Stones post-'73 would still follow, or comment on, what the band is doing in 2012.

Seems like a colossal waste of time.

I love this post.

It is hardly a colossal waste of time.

FWIW, this is one of the most insightful, well thought out posts I've seen about the gradual decline of our heroes. Never thought of it that way myself, but it makes a great deal if sense. Well done.

Interesting point of view! Using gender symbols as a vehicle to think about 'the continuing adventures of the Rolling Stones' as the title of the 1989 VHS went.What's your occupation His Majesty if I may ask?

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I really don't understand why anyone who doesn't like the Stones post-'73 would still follow, or comment on, what the band is doing in 2012.

Seems like a colossal waste of time.

I love this post.

It is hardly a colossal waste of time.

Agreed, perhaps only a massive waste of time. Never good to 'oversell' these things.

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His Majesty

How come it took 4 edits to get to that smiley face. Did you need someone to come to your emoticon rescue?


OK, I should definitely go into the IORR hall of fame for that one.

Cos I realised i'm not the only one with mixed emoticons.

touche! or something

Don't underestimate the power of the muse!

But seriously, one could also conclude that the best Rock songs are usually somewhat influenced by women, cars and drugs and these things became less important to Mick and Keith over time. peace