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Bassid6
Daughtery, perhaps!
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Bassid6
Daughtery, perhaps!
Thanks for your fascinating input. What's an FFS?
I have to admit to a weakness for this kind of crap. I'm not concerned about who murdered Brian, if anyone. He was just such a strange, ethereal person that he fascinates, period. A true Pisces, swimming in cross directions. He's very much like Buddy Holly to me, in that I knew nothing about them when they were alive, and only discovered them by going backward and digging out info about them. Brian seems to lack anyone close to him willing to come forward and speak about him. One minute you think he's an idiot and then you hear him speak and you realize he was pretty sharp. You think he was a complete jerk and then you see him tell the TV host to shut up and let Howlin' Wolf play and you get some respect for him.
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Bassid6
Daughtery, perhaps!
Thanks for your fascinating input. What's an FFS?
I have to admit to a weakness for this kind of crap. I'm not concerned about who murdered Brian, if anyone. He was just such a strange, ethereal person that he fascinates, period. A true Pisces, swimming in cross directions. He's very much like Buddy Holly to me, in that I knew nothing about them when they were alive, and only discovered them by going backward and digging out info about them. Brian seems to lack anyone close to him willing to come forward and speak about him. One minute you think he's an idiot and then you hear him speak and you realize he was pretty sharp. You think he was a complete jerk and then you see him tell the TV host to shut up and let Howlin' Wolf play and you get some respect for him.
For F's sake?...
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Bassid6
Daughtery, perhaps!
Thanks for your fascinating input. What's an FFS?
I have to admit to a weakness for this kind of crap. I'm not concerned about who murdered Brian, if anyone. He was just such a strange, ethereal person that he fascinates, period. A true Pisces, swimming in cross directions. He's very much like Buddy Holly to me, in that I knew nothing about them when they were alive, and only discovered them by going backward and digging out info about them. Brian seems to lack anyone close to him willing to come forward and speak about him. One minute you think he's an idiot and then you hear him speak and you realize he was pretty sharp. You think he was a complete jerk and then you see him tell the TV host to shut up and let Howlin' Wolf play and you get some respect for him.
For F's sake?...
What's that?
- Doxa
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DandelionPowderman
LOL! Still hungover after you birthday. Congrats, btw!
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Bassid6
Brian was absolutely brilliant. However, Brilliance without direction is quite deadly.
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Bassid6
Bastardette may be a fitting name for me
There are those of us in this particular thread who absolutely do need to take "time off" from this board in order to tend to their cults and to write complete fantasy and fiction. And, do , please, order your minions to not write silly letters to Brian's Bastards about their parentage, who their siblings are and who they are not, what is and what is not when you absolutely have no flipping clue about diddley sqaut. Sorry, I just had to mention that.
OK, I am finished now!
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Bassid6
Brian was absolutely brilliant. However, Brilliance without direction is quite deadly.
True as it can be.
But thank you very much for providing the info about Brian's post-life matters. Sounds very convincing, and, actually, common-sensical (there is alwys so much wild quesses and speculations going on). I don't dare to even suggest how you get to know all that...
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Bassid6
I'm giving my money to greedy bastards who want to make money off of a dead one.
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Bassid6
I really am so sorry. Most everyone here is absolutely delightful, I just felt as if I should speak up about things.
When people talk out of their arses and spin intricate yarns (and cause touble in people's personal lives for no valid reason other than an agenda), you generally can see that. When one speaks truthfully and honestly, intelligent individuals can see that as well. Apply this as you will to the individuals speaking on this particular thread.
I don't mind being called bastard. You could call me the dreaded C word and I wouldn't even flinch! I probably am, at times.
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BTW, what was the final results of Trevor Hobley's investigation a few years ago? Or is it still ongoing?
In January 2009 Trevor/his lawyer/his detectives presented a 83 page dossier (obviously an abstract of more material) to the Sussex police. A few weeks before he stated on a Q&A thread on a (shortlived) Brian Jones fanboard: "Not only am I completely satisfied with our results but the team I have around me are too." Trevor's answers may give an impression of the issues Trevor and his team were concerned with and how they dealt with them. Here's the link: [www.createforum.com] (Trevor's user name is "editorbjfc"; he shows up after a first round of questions.)
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stonesnow
Hey Mock, remember me from LARS? I was James Phelche.
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stonesnow
I just clicked on the link you posted here and through this link have just learned of Gerry's passing. Very sorry to hear. I remember how she used to sharply reprimand me when discussions became heated and I became combative toward other posters [...]
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Then [...] the site crashed...or was crashed. At first I thought it might have been someone from Stones Inc. who didn't like all the conspiracy theories we were throwing around there regarding Brian's probable murder, but more likely it was that angry Lotus Couch guy who ran his own Stones fan site from Long Island who objected to what was being posted on LARS about his fan site, and maybe he found a way to hack in and crash the site. I dunno. What do you think? Was the cause of the site crashing ever determined?
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stonesnow
Well, glad you are still carrying on with a new incarnation of LARS. Gerry was a very dedicated moderator and it is a fitting tribute to her that you should continue on. She even met Brian once, didn't she? I re-registered there in 2009 as JP, but never got around to posting. Perhaps I'll visit once again and chat with you there. You were always such a knowledgeable poster on LARS, and seeing your posts here in this IORR thread led me to recall several thought-provoking discussions from years past. Cheers!
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Hey Mock, remember me from LARS? I was James Phelche.
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I just clicked on the link you posted here and through this link have just learned of Gerry's passing. Very sorry to hear. I remember how she used to sharply reprimand me when discussions became heated and I became combative toward other posters [...]
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Then [...] the site crashed...or was crashed. At first I thought it might have been someone from Stones Inc. who didn't like all the conspiracy theories we were throwing around there regarding Brian's probable murder, but more likely it was that angry Lotus Couch guy who ran his own Stones fan site from Long Island who objected to what was being posted on LARS about his fan site, and maybe he found a way to hack in and crash the site. I dunno. What do you think? Was the cause of the site crashing ever determined?
The technical support said it looked as someone crashed it intentionally. (It even happened two times.) Stones Inc.? Gerry once told the funny story how a secretary of Keith wrote her an e-mail in the late 1990s because Keith complained about being treated not as kind as he would have liked on LARS. But that was when discussion boards on the net were quite new. Hard to believe Stones Inc. cared a lot about what a few dozens of Brian Jones fans in 2008 said about his death - all in all in a quite unstructured manner. So your second guess is probably closer to the truth. I can't remember the guy you are talking about; but I learned from my short - and I must admit: not very intense - period as a board (co-)moderator there were some really strange people around in "Jonesville", as they called it. I'm not talking about people who write postings I don't agree with or something like that, but for example there was a fellow who impersonated Gerry by using an e-mail-address looking very close to hers. And that guy tried to get my password for the moderator section (with an almost insultingly stupid trick) - as if we were exchanging state secrets or something. Pretty weird. (He tried tricks on others as well - he must have spent many, many hours on that. What for? I don't know.)Quote
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Well, glad you are still carrying on with a new incarnation of LARS. Gerry was a very dedicated moderator and it is a fitting tribute to her that you should continue on. She even met Brian once, didn't she? I re-registered there in 2009 as JP, but never got around to posting. Perhaps I'll visit once again and chat with you there. You were always such a knowledgeable poster on LARS, and seeing your posts here in this IORR thread led me to recall several thought-provoking discussions from years past. Cheers!
That "new" LARS is dead for a long while now. I was surprised myself it's still online. Some of my former moderator colleagues carried on to relive the "old" LARS - but it seemed pretty dead the last times I visited. (I wish them all the best, though.) There is a rival board founded by Jones fans who thought LARS was too die hard pro Jones or something. They decided to not discuss Brian's death because it was "not part of his life" (no joke!) - but this board called "Censored From Our Minds" appeared not very active, too, over the last months. And there is a third board, Trevor Hobley's fanclub board, that - surprise, surprise - doesn't seem to have a lot going on as well. So when in 2007 there was one Brian Jones fanboard that was alive and kicking, now there are three that are dead or half dead.
My old critic Doxa once sort of challenged the idea of Jones boards, for after all Brian had been a band musician all his life - there is some truth in it. However, here, in this thread and in others, until now at least, I can express my views (as seldom as I show up here) in a way that on Brian Jones boards regulary led to the wildest reactions (not that I had a problem with it - I always loved it getting heated, not unlike the old LARS' very own James Phelche) - here people seem to disagree, agree, follow their own associations deriving from the original topic; a very civil discussion board, actually. I must admit that I didn't really expect it that way.
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tonterapi
Mick's concern for him that seems to have been genuine, Keith letting Brian stay at Redlands, both showing up at the trial and the guilt that sometimes shines through in interviews made with them over the years. They must have felt that it got out of hand when it's very clear nowadays that the second bust was what broke Brian down.
As late as in 67 Mick called Brian "the best musician in the band" in an italian TV-interview. They had a very @#$%& up relation towards each other no matter what's true.
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Doxa
Interesting, and somehow within the realms of imagination, thoughts about 1967, Mock.
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There is some counter evidence that I think does not quite fit to your story. Immediately after Brian's death, it was reported that Brian already wanted to quit the band in 1967, but Jagger spoke him over it, since he was too important imagewise.
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Doxa
Without any evidence I have related Brian's wish to leave after the Anita disaster in Morocco, and before the European tour that took place quite soon.
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Doxa
[...] and still then they [the remaining Stones] left the door open if he would come back some day, when his departure was announced.
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Erik_Snow
It's pathetic with these people like [...] the thread-starter, hiding behind an alias, yet excpecting people from the inner circle to reveal details from their private lives [...]
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Bassid6
That's just par for the course when it comes to Brian. All of the "Brian was murdered" books are the same thing - hand in the biscuit jar. When you drink morning, noon and night for years, you have a tendency to black out and pass out. You pass out in bars, in toilets, face down in steaming piles of shit and, yes, you pass out in your own pool. But see, "drunken bastard who passes out in his own pool and dies" doesn't make any money. "Musical genius murdered in his pool" certainly does. That's why I have never read any of those silly books. I'm giving my money to greedy bastards who want to make money off of a dead one.
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courtfieldroad
Back to the topic that started this thread off: the telegram! How off-topic this got straight away, such a shame as, IF TRUE, this telegram is in great support of how Bill and Keith have usually portrayed Brian's relationship with the Stones after the split.
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Mock - wish you would post over here more often. Lot's of great people, but of course not very one will agree with everything said...
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It's pathetic with these people like [...] the thread-starter, hiding behind an alias, yet excpecting people from the inner circle to reveal details from their private lives [...]
"The thread-starter" - that's got to be me, right? I do not expect people from the inner circle to reveal details from their private lives, never did, never will. It's great your name's for real, it would be greater if you'd use the chance to discuss what I really said. That's what a discussion board is about, right? For reading genuine names a phone book will do as well.
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TheDailyBuzzherd
Of all the theories that abound, the Klein / Keylock connection seems most plausible.
Still, I'm sure even Klein would grin at the notion Jones could / would have presented
a tight-locked legal case for screwing with The Stones machine in any way.
It's either that or accidental death.
Some asshat at a blog supposedly authored by Sam Cutler this year commented that he / she
met with Jones' mother Louisa in The '70s in Ontario ( of all places ) and she confirmed to that
person that her son was murdered but that the truth was stranger than fiction. Add to that a
comment that Jones was not incapacitated in any way at 10pm that night and no party was in
play, so there's no way that the events as described in official transcripts jibe with reality.
Whatever, it's more hearsay.
At this point in time, I find it extremely disingenuous for anyone to crawl out of the woodwork
and boast of knowing damning evidence regarding this case, particularly now that many of the
main alleged conspirators are dead, save The Stones themselves, whom of course are included
in the ever-growing list of suspected parties. I've never thought for one second those guys
were capable of covering up such an act for so many years. For many reasons, to blame
The Glimmers outright is ridiculous.
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TheDailyBuzzherd
The point is, WHY kill him. WHY risk unforeseen outcomes. WHY bait people
and not spill? All hearsay. Pop stars were not dangerous enough to Brit
society to force a killing for any reason. Separate, disenfranchise, destroy.
Nope. Not buyin'.
Yes, there are documents, just as in the JFK case. Even then, half the docs
will be redlined anyway, just as Bush did with the global warming docs, LoL.
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24FPS
Jeez. Brian had already been paid off in settlement, right? So why kill him? What's the motive? Kill him before he gets the bread.