Tell Me :
Talk
The mind says 'Yes'!, The body says 'Auw, wait a minute!...'.
or rather, they starve....
Now you speak about a big tour and big bucks. 250 people won't be necessary if the stage design would be cut to only an arena type. If they set out for a concert row in one city it needs only one stage to be designed. Despite the price issue you could scale down and still deliver a good performance. They could even use the bigger bang arena stage and just change the lightning.I mean all they did between Licks and ABB was the stage lights and the moving stage. And if they do theatre clubshows there is even less.
Then you are one out of a few that believe they have rolled for 50 years. As a name, yes. As a actual band, hell no.
As a band they lasted 45 years, with a LOT of time off in between those years.
1962-1983 - built their legacy; 21 years
1984 - zip
1985 - recorded an album (their worst) - 1 year
1986-1988 - zilch
1989-1990 - album, tour, live album, imax, etc - 1.5 years
1991-1993 - nada
1994-1995 - album (5 YEARS since their previous), tour, video releases, Vegas mode clearly locked in for good - 1.5 years
1996 - nothing
1997 - 1999 - album, tour, dvd, etc, etc, - 2 years
2000 - 2001 - f$%& all
2002 - 2003 - four new songs we waited 5 years for which at this point the fans have been conditioned to be disappointed and justifyably indifferent towards, and a tour, live album, 4-dvd set, etc, etc - 1 year
2004 - bupkis
2005-2007 - album, tour, ANOTHER 4-dvd set, a feature film, soundtrack, etc - 2 years
2008-2012 - the longest stretch of inactivity we've had from them, ever. 5 full calendar years, half of a decade.
So that's 30 years of work put into 45 years of time. The last five years do NOT count to me at all. To ask if they're motivated to roll... it's pretty clear that not are they motivated to roll, they're unable even to play one song on their 50th "Anniversary".
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January 1991--two studio tracks recorded!!...that must have completely exhausted them for the next 3 years!....
...no one survives the classic "self-righteous diatribe delivered to any and all fanboys(?)....prepare to be utterly destroyed!!!!..or not....NEXT!!!
i presume the ladies here especially aren't gonna like this.....
A lot of the ladies have a taking to FANBOYs so it may not be all bad.
And? Why are people so hung up on July 12th? Last time I checked, it's still the year 2012 and it's STILL the 50th Anniversary. And it will still be their 50th Anniversary...next week..and next month...all the way till the end of the year. I fail to see how the passing of this July 12th symbolizes anything. Did they celebrate on any past July 12th to "legitimize" each anniversary? What exactly did they do on July 12 2002 that was so crucial to their 40th Anniversary?
English grammar lesson for the day: How do you remember coordinating conjunctions? There are seven of them, it helps to use this acronym:
F for
A and
N nor
B but
O or
Y yet
S so
When to use them? When you are connecting two independent clauses:
Every member of this board is a fanboy, but some are more optimistic than others that the Stones will tour again.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-08-09 11:08 by latebloomer.
They released Live Licks in 2004. But then again, it's not like THEY spent any time on it, they let a bunch of amatuers screw it all up. The editing equals the artwork.
Oh and Jump Back in 1993, which they must've worked incredibly hard on! They even got their own facts wrong in that little quasi-interview for each song on one of 'em.
But the band, the actual band, ended in 1991 when Wyman left.
So you opt to not go the route that is obviously a joke stretched to reality from something Charlie has said for eons. You still gotta love that they made Bill disappear from the Rarities cover. It really showed how "current" they were.
What an incredibly relevant point.
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Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
GumbootCloggeroo
()
Date: August 7, 2012 22:49
who said anything about using a gun? the things you can do with a smartphone these days...Quote
StonesTod
Quote
Edith Grove
Quote
2000 LYFH
Quote
mtaylor
"I am sure they ask Chuck Leavell if he is available. They need him to keep the show running."
Unfortunately - wished he was less "visible" onstage.
If things were falling into place for the tour and then they found out Chuck would not be available for 18 months, what do you think the Stones would/should do?
If Mick and Charlie both said lets wait but Keith and Ronnie said lets do it, I wonder how they would work it out!
Bring back Mac.
against his will??? can u imagine how awful mac would sound playing at gunpoint???
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 7, 2012 22:53
Quote
GumbootCloggeroo
who said anything about using a gun? the things you can do with a smartphone these days...Quote
StonesTod
Quote
Edith Grove
Quote
2000 LYFH
Quote
mtaylor
"I am sure they ask Chuck Leavell if he is available. They need him to keep the show running."
Unfortunately - wished he was less "visible" onstage.
If things were falling into place for the tour and then they found out Chuck would not be available for 18 months, what do you think the Stones would/should do?
If Mick and Charlie both said lets wait but Keith and Ronnie said lets do it, I wonder how they would work it out!
Bring back Mac.
against his will??? can u imagine how awful mac would sound playing at gunpoint???
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
No Expectations
()
Date: August 8, 2012 06:50
NO!!!!
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Grison
()
Date: August 8, 2012 09:02
As much as I want to see concerts happen (despite my empty pockets
) the much I am afraid that they would fail the high held expectations by both press and audience. In this case I agree with Björnulf that it will be pain, pain in the brain to make the right decisions and not to blame themselves.
) the much I am afraid that they would fail the high held expectations by both press and audience. In this case I agree with Björnulf that it will be pain, pain in the brain to make the right decisions and not to blame themselves.Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: August 8, 2012 09:57
Jazz or blues musicians often peaks at old age. Look at Buddy Guy, still going strong at 76. That doesn't seem to be the case with rock (or pop) musicians. Their expiration date often seems to be rather short. Jazz and blues musicians always keep themselves busy. Because if they don't they rust. There is a fundamental flaw with The Rolling Stones. To work one year and take three years off doesn't work in the long run. They will stagnate as musicians. That is what has happened with the band. And add to that that cigarettes, alcohol and cocaine will take its toll in the end. I mean sober guys seldom fall out of ladders or palm trees...
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
marko
()
Date: August 8, 2012 10:49
I dont think we´ll hear anything before Olympics are done.Also i would think that,IF they announce anything,thats around when document dvd comes out.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
steffiestones
()
Date: August 8, 2012 11:39
Quote
Stoneage
Jazz or blues musicians often peaks at old age. Look at Buddy Guy, still going strong at 76. That doesn't seem to be the case with rock (or pop) musicians. Their expiration date often seems to be rather short. Jazz and blues musicians always keep themselves busy. Because if they don't they rust. There is a fundamental flaw with The Rolling Stones. To work one year and take three years off doesn't work in the long run. They will stagnate as musicians. That is what has happened with the band. And add to that that cigarettes, alcohol and cocaine will take its toll in the end. I mean sober guys seldom fall out of ladders or palm trees...
The mind says 'Yes'!, The body says 'Auw, wait a minute!...'.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
saltoftheearth
()
Date: August 8, 2012 15:35
Are The Stones still motivated to roll?
The answer is simple:
No!
The answer is simple:
No!
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
buttons67
()
Date: August 8, 2012 16:10
some people dont realize the huge overheads in the stones doing a tour.
over 250 people are part of the project and need to get paid, they dont earn a fortune like the band members do and cant consider doing it for nothing like the band members could.
these tours need a very large outlay financially for them to proceed and any reduction in ticket prices reduces the profit substantially, enough for a tour to be considered not worth doing for many of the 250 that the stones employ from time to time.
ofcourse the band could tone it down and limit to just a few dozen people on the project and only a few key gigs to keep ticket prices down, but whether people would be motivated enough for this im not sure. its not like they would make a lot of money from it.
over 250 people are part of the project and need to get paid, they dont earn a fortune like the band members do and cant consider doing it for nothing like the band members could.
these tours need a very large outlay financially for them to proceed and any reduction in ticket prices reduces the profit substantially, enough for a tour to be considered not worth doing for many of the 250 that the stones employ from time to time.
ofcourse the band could tone it down and limit to just a few dozen people on the project and only a few key gigs to keep ticket prices down, but whether people would be motivated enough for this im not sure. its not like they would make a lot of money from it.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 8, 2012 16:12
Quote
Stoneage
Jazz and blues musicians always keep themselves busy. Because if they don't they rust....
or rather, they starve....
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Grison
()
Date: August 8, 2012 16:20
Quote
buttons67
some people dont realize the huge overheads in the stones doing a tour.
over 250 people are part of the project and need to get paid, they dont earn a fortune like the band members do and cant consider doing it for nothing like the band members could.
these tours need a very large outlay financially for them to proceed and any reduction in ticket prices reduces the profit substantially, enough for a tour to be considered not worth doing for many of the 250 that the stones employ from time to time.
ofcourse the band could tone it down and limit to just a few dozen people on the project and only a few key gigs to keep ticket prices down, but whether people would be motivated enough for this im not sure. its not like they would make a lot of money from it.
Now you speak about a big tour and big bucks. 250 people won't be necessary if the stage design would be cut to only an arena type. If they set out for a concert row in one city it needs only one stage to be designed. Despite the price issue you could scale down and still deliver a good performance. They could even use the bigger bang arena stage and just change the lightning.I mean all they did between Licks and ABB was the stage lights and the moving stage. And if they do theatre clubshows there is even less.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: August 9, 2012 01:14
Quote
bv
I am impressed they have kept it rolling for 50 years
Then you are one out of a few that believe they have rolled for 50 years. As a name, yes. As a actual band, hell no.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:02
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Quote
bv
I am impressed they have kept it rolling for 50 years
Then you are one out of a few that believe they have rolled for 50 years. As a name, yes. As a actual band, hell no.
As a band they lasted 45 years, with a LOT of time off in between those years.
1962-1983 - built their legacy; 21 years
1984 - zip
1985 - recorded an album (their worst) - 1 year
1986-1988 - zilch
1989-1990 - album, tour, live album, imax, etc - 1.5 years
1991-1993 - nada
1994-1995 - album (5 YEARS since their previous), tour, video releases, Vegas mode clearly locked in for good - 1.5 years
1996 - nothing
1997 - 1999 - album, tour, dvd, etc, etc, - 2 years
2000 - 2001 - f$%& all
2002 - 2003 - four new songs we waited 5 years for which at this point the fans have been conditioned to be disappointed and justifyably indifferent towards, and a tour, live album, 4-dvd set, etc, etc - 1 year
2004 - bupkis
2005-2007 - album, tour, ANOTHER 4-dvd set, a feature film, soundtrack, etc - 2 years
2008-2012 - the longest stretch of inactivity we've had from them, ever. 5 full calendar years, half of a decade.
So that's 30 years of work put into 45 years of time. The last five years do NOT count to me at all. To ask if they're motivated to roll... it's pretty clear that not are they motivated to roll, they're unable even to play one song on their 50th "Anniversary".
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Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
lunar!!!
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:07
Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Quote
bv
I am impressed they have kept it rolling for 50 years
Then you are one out of a few that believe they have rolled for 50 years. As a name, yes. As a actual band, hell no.
As a band they lasted 45 years, with a LOT of time off in between those years.
1962-1983 - built their legacy; 21 years
1984 - zip
1985 - recorded an album (their worst) - 1 year
1986-1988 - zilch
1989-1990 - album, tour, live album, imax, etc - 1.5 years
1991-1993 - nada
1994-1995 - album (5 YEARS since their previous), tour, video releases, Vegas mode clearly locked in for good - 1.5 years
1996 - nothing
1997 - 1999 - album, tour, dvd, etc, etc, - 2 years
2000 - 2001 - f$%& all
2002 - 2003 - four new songs we waited 5 years for which at this point the fans have been conditioned to be disappointed and justifyably indifferent towards, and a tour, live album, 4-dvd set, etc, etc - 1 year
2004 - bupkis
2005-2007 - album, tour, ANOTHER 4-dvd set, a feature film, soundtrack, etc - 2 years
2008-2012 - the longest stretch of inactivity we've had from them, ever. 5 full calendar years, half of a decade.
So that's 30 years of work put into 45 years of time. The last five years do NOT count to me at all. To ask if they're motivated to roll... it's pretty clear that not are they motivated to roll, they're unable even to play one song on their 50th "Anniversary".
January 1991--two studio tracks recorded!!...that must have completely exhausted them for the next 3 years!....
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:27
Yup. And to think what they did in the same timeframe exaclty 20 years prior...
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Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:27
What is this crap about them not really being a band for 50 years? Sweet Moses, you guys are sure a fickle bunch. Where were some of you during 40 Licks?? Yo James, why didn't you come up with a handy-dandy summary of their history back then also? I don't recall anyone calling them out on their 40th Anniversary saying that they "really worked 27 years!!" Oh but now here they are today making a big fuss about their 50th and suddenly all you retired fanboys think your tough shit by calling them out on them not really being a "true" band celebrating 50 years. Ooh scared of you!
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
lunar!!!
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:35
Quote
Justin
What is this crap about them not really being a band for 50 years? Sweet Moses, you guys are sure a fickle bunch. Where were some of you during 40 Licks?? Yo James, why didn't you come up with a handy-dandy summary of their history back then also? I don't recall anyone calling them out on their 40th Anniversary saying that they "really worked 27 years!!" Oh but now here they are today making a big fuss about their 50th and suddenly all you retired fanboys think your tough shit by calling them out on them not really being a "true" band celebrating 50 years. Ooh scared of you!
...no one survives the classic "self-righteous diatribe delivered to any and all fanboys(?)....prepare to be utterly destroyed!!!!..or not....NEXT!!!
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:45
And while we're on the subject: every member on this board is a FANBOY whether you you like it or not. If you're on an internet messageboard yapping about your favorite band/artist and that's what got you here in the first place---you're a fanboy. Don't even try to pretend like you're above it. Just because a few here have now gone down the route of the rebellious,"fallen angel" act--it doesn't make you exempt.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Stoneage
()
Date: August 9, 2012 02:58
I think the 81-82 tour was the farewell tour. After that the band only coninued because Mick's solo albums flopped and they were given an enormous amount of money to tour which they couldn't resist. But since "Undercover" they have been a part time band coming together for big tours every fourth year and producing very little new material.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: August 9, 2012 03:13
Quote
Justin
And while we're on the subject: every member on this board is a FANBOY whether you you like it or not.
i presume the ladies here especially aren't gonna like this.....
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: August 9, 2012 03:13
Justin, take some meds, dude. I didn't mean to hit such a nerve for you man.
My point for mapping all of that out is that the '50th Anniversary' came and went, with NOTHING but a photo-op. THey didn't play any music - at all - for it, and since the last time they DID play music was five years ago, it's really celebrating 30 years of work within 45 years... 5 years later.
And Justin, Licks was 10 years ago, I wasn't a member of this forum then. That's why I didnt do that. (head shake).
Anyways, I don't feel like I need to justify anything to you. But you obviously need a drink...
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My point for mapping all of that out is that the '50th Anniversary' came and went, with NOTHING but a photo-op. THey didn't play any music - at all - for it, and since the last time they DID play music was five years ago, it's really celebrating 30 years of work within 45 years... 5 years later.
And Justin, Licks was 10 years ago, I wasn't a member of this forum then. That's why I didnt do that. (head shake).
Anyways, I don't feel like I need to justify anything to you. But you obviously need a drink...
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Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: August 9, 2012 03:29
Quote
StonesTod
Quote
Justin
And while we're on the subject: every member on this board is a FANBOY whether you you like it or not.
i presume the ladies here especially aren't gonna like this.....
A lot of the ladies have a taking to FANBOYs so it may not be all bad.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: August 9, 2012 03:34
Quote
jamesfdouglas
My point for mapping all of that out is that the '50th Anniversary' came and went, with NOTHING but a photo-op. THey didn't play any music - at all -
And? Why are people so hung up on July 12th? Last time I checked, it's still the year 2012 and it's STILL the 50th Anniversary. And it will still be their 50th Anniversary...next week..and next month...all the way till the end of the year. I fail to see how the passing of this July 12th symbolizes anything. Did they celebrate on any past July 12th to "legitimize" each anniversary? What exactly did they do on July 12 2002 that was so crucial to their 40th Anniversary?
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
latebloomer
()
Date: August 9, 2012 05:14
Quote
StonesTod
Quote
Justin
And while we're on the subject: every member on this board is a FANBOY whether you you like it or not.
i presume the ladies here especially aren't gonna like this.....
English grammar lesson for the day: How do you remember coordinating conjunctions? There are seven of them, it helps to use this acronym:
F for
A and
N nor
B but
O or
Y yet
S so
When to use them? When you are connecting two independent clauses:
Every member of this board is a fanboy, but some are more optimistic than others that the Stones will tour again.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-08-09 11:08 by latebloomer.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: August 9, 2012 06:03
Quote
lunar!!!
Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Quote
bv
I am impressed they have kept it rolling for 50 years
Then you are one out of a few that believe they have rolled for 50 years. As a name, yes. As a actual band, hell no.
As a band they lasted 45 years, with a LOT of time off in between those years.
1962-1983 - built their legacy; 21 years
1984 - zip
1985 - recorded an album (their worst) - 1 year
1986-1988 - zilch
1989-1990 - album, tour, live album, imax, etc - 1.5 years
1991-1993 - nada
1994-1995 - album (5 YEARS since their previous), tour, video releases, Vegas mode clearly locked in for good - 1.5 years
1996 - nothing
1997 - 1999 - album, tour, dvd, etc, etc, - 2 years
2000 - 2001 - f$%& all
2002 - 2003 - four new songs we waited 5 years for which at this point the fans have been conditioned to be disappointed and justifyably indifferent towards, and a tour, live album, 4-dvd set, etc, etc - 1 year
2004 - bupkis
2005-2007 - album, tour, ANOTHER 4-dvd set, a feature film, soundtrack, etc - 2 years
2008-2012 - the longest stretch of inactivity we've had from them, ever. 5 full calendar years, half of a decade.
So that's 30 years of work put into 45 years of time. The last five years do NOT count to me at all. To ask if they're motivated to roll... it's pretty clear that not are they motivated to roll, they're unable even to play one song on their 50th "Anniversary".
January 1991--two studio tracks recorded!!...that must have completely exhausted them for the next 3 years!....
They released Live Licks in 2004. But then again, it's not like THEY spent any time on it, they let a bunch of amatuers screw it all up. The editing equals the artwork.
Oh and Jump Back in 1993, which they must've worked incredibly hard on! They even got their own facts wrong in that little quasi-interview for each song on one of 'em.
But the band, the actual band, ended in 1991 when Wyman left.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: August 9, 2012 06:08
Quote
Justin
What is this crap about them not really being a band for 50 years? Sweet Moses, you guys are sure a fickle bunch. Where were some of you during 40 Licks?? Yo James, why didn't you come up with a handy-dandy summary of their history back then also? I don't recall anyone calling them out on their 40th Anniversary saying that they "really worked 27 years!!" Oh but now here they are today making a big fuss about their 50th and suddenly all you retired fanboys think your tough shit by calling them out on them not really being a "true" band celebrating 50 years. Ooh scared of you!
So you opt to not go the route that is obviously a joke stretched to reality from something Charlie has said for eons. You still gotta love that they made Bill disappear from the Rarities cover. It really showed how "current" they were.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: August 9, 2012 07:04
Charlie's joke was about them milling about and hanging around and the monotny of being in show business. He wasn't implying that their entire existence is to be broken apart like James' "timeline" implies.
While we're here, why doesn't someone tabulate all the hours they've spent on stage performing---surely that is the more ACCURATE number representing how long they've been a "working" band? Them traveling by plane or motorcade to the venue--doesn't count as them being a band. They're not performing music afterall!
While we're here, why doesn't someone tabulate all the hours they've spent on stage performing---surely that is the more ACCURATE number representing how long they've been a "working" band? Them traveling by plane or motorcade to the venue--doesn't count as them being a band. They're not performing music afterall!
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Justin
()
Date: August 9, 2012 07:10
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Oh and Jump Back in 1993, which they must've worked incredibly hard on! They even got their own facts wrong in that little quasi-interview for each song on one of 'em.
What an incredibly relevant point.
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Harm
()
Date: August 9, 2012 08:01
Maybe the Madonna fiasco tour made them think twice.... not that you can compare them to her but, it's about mega-stars-tours
Re: Are The Stones still motivated to roll
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: August 9, 2012 12:39
Do you know.
I don't really give a monkey's about any of these debates.
I just know that a Stones show,from any era,is for me just about the best entertainment on the planet.
If we get a bit more of it... great.
I don't really give a monkey's about any of these debates.
I just know that a Stones show,from any era,is for me just about the best entertainment on the planet.
If we get a bit more of it... great.
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