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What's with all the "Chuck has a beard" bulls***?
Billy Preston had a nicely-trimmed beard...and an afro wig.

But that was '73, when beards and afro wigs where the fashion of the day.

There can't be anybody more out of fashion than Chuck. His looks are 1988 American fashion, and hasn't changed a bit ever since.

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I was waiting for the American angle.

Yeah sorry. In Europe we looked like Chuck in '85.

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LOL, that explains why Mick allowed him in the band in 1982. He was 3 years ahead of the times.

What do you think of that Black fellow playing the Bass?

Chuck Leavell - "Fingers Of Gold" Says Keith

Is he then a "Gold Digger" ?

I'd hate to hear what the Stones would sound like without his organization, musicality, and support. The Stones are addicted to Chuck and what he does for the band onstage besides the playing is much more important than many of you can imagine.

Plink, plink is what acoustic piano's do and although he is not Nicky Hopkins, he at least stayed around to pass the audition.

I love Chuck and I think he is very limited in what he can do with the Stones because he is there to please the band. If they were to take his shackles off I think we would see him take more risks and reap greater rewards musically. He is a hired gun and does EXACTLY what Mick and Keith want him to do, imho.

Remember Keith is of the opinion that the hired guns were taking over the band in the 70's (the same shows most of the Chuck bashers are saying were so good).

Chuck is here to stay, whine all you want, it won't change a thing. peace

Chuck has two big book that he brings to rehersals. They contain the chord changes to ALL the Stones songs. He is the man.
Mathijs doesn't like the way Chuck looks like? I wonder what he would say if Bill Wyman replaced D Jones in 1994. "Wow look at the dead guy on stage". Mathijs is whats wrong with critcs. Too many people listen with their eyes and not their ears. I like to see what would happen if he was in a room with Keith and told him what he thought. Keith would see through he BS in no time flat.

At least, Chuck could stop saying: One, two before every song starts - it sounds so amateurish.... and then have less piano / keyboard opening of songs - the next thing will be HTW starting with the piano. ;o)

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If anyone here has had the pleasure of seeing him rip off Jessica with the Allman Brothers back in the day you would see another side, it is in my top 10 live songs I have seen.

I also have a boot copy of the entire Stones show at the Toronto Sars concert. This boot is a sound board that sounds like it was not mixed or touched by Stones. It is mixed like any other band and you can clearly hear every lick, piano rip, horn, it is amazing to hear what the Stones realy soundlike before they cloudy it up. You can realy appreciate the R&R and classic bits Chuck puts in. On the down side you can actualy hear every sound Keiths fingers make as his fingers randomly hit and miss notes, it is truly a great example of how they clean up and over dub before the public release of the three songs they bothered to do for the official video.

But it's been 10 years since then...I'm sure Keith has had time to practice and get better.

Ha, ha, you are a "spaßvogel".

I'm a jokebird?!

Something gets lost in the translation I think!

I'd prefer to be known as a 'spaßtick'.

I don't know what means "Spaßtick", but "Spaßvogel" means "joker", "jester", "jocester" in German. I think it is really funny to suggest that Keith is getting better on guitar by rehearsing. There are unfortunately some lousy new gigs by Keith on Youtube. I don't understand how he is able to do such lousy guitarwork if you bring in account that he is playing this instrument for about 60 years.

Here is the definition for spastic...I was making a play on words with Spaßvogel...definition number 3 which I've bolded was where I was going.

spas·tic (spstk)
adj.
1. Of, relating to, or characterized by spasms: a spastic colon; a spastic form of cerebral palsy.
2. Affected by spastic paralysis.
3. Offensive Slang Clumsy or inept.


Anyhow, I was joking of course, so your dead on!

Regarding Keith, given his drug abuse, arthritis, and head injury, we should be amazed and thankful he's alive, still able to walk and talk, and even hold a guitar. Everything else is gravy.

Thank you for your excellent dihairesis (Plato's heuristic method to find a concept). You're not only a Spaßvogel, but also a great philosopher ...

Thank you senor johnson, very kind of you to say. I find that if I have too many coffee's in the morning, especially on an empty stomach, that "dihairesis (Plato's heuristic method to find a concept)" is often the unfortunate result.

Still, a clean colon is nothing to sneeze at.

Oh, dear mate, now you mistake diairesis for diarrhoea ...

Perhaps, but at least I've found the concept...or something.

All's well that ends well!



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Chuck has two big book that he brings to rehersals. They contain the chord changes to ALL the Stones songs. He is the man.
Mathijs doesn't like the way Chuck looks like? I wonder what he would say if Bill Wyman replaced D Jones in 1994. "Wow look at the dead guy on stage". Mathijs is whats wrong with critcs. Too many people listen with their eyes and not their ears. I like to see what would happen if he was in a room with Keith and told him what he thought. Keith would see through he BS in no time flat.

dont forget fat lisa

This was one of the highlights of my 'Stones loving life. Hotel lobby in
AC the day after Ronnie's concert.

I just want to react on this thread about his golden fingers..........but I understand that it's about trimmed beards clothes pity

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I'd hate to hear what the Stones would sound like without his organization, musicality, and support. The Stones are addicted to Chuck and what he does for the band onstage besides the playing is much more important than many of you can imagine.

Plink, plink is what acoustic piano's do and although he is not Nicky Hopkins, he at least stayed around to pass the audition.

I love Chuck and I think he is very limited in what he can do with the Stones because he is there to please the band. If they were to take his shackles off I think we would see him take more risks and reap greater rewards musically. He is a hired gun and does EXACTLY what Mick and Keith want him to do, imho.

Remember Keith is of the opinion that the hired guns were taking over the band in the 70's (the same shows most of the Chuck bashers are saying were so good).

Chuck is here to stay, whine all you want, it won't change a thing. peace

I suspect a big part of the problem is right there - in his sound on his non-acoustic piano.

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Plink, plink is what acoustic piano's do and although he is not Nicky Hopkins, he at least stayed around to pass the audition.

I love Chuck and I think he is very limited in what he can do with the Stones because he is there to please the band. If they were to take his shackles off I think we would see him take more risks and reap greater rewards musically. He is a hired gun and does EXACTLY what Mick and Keith want him to do, imho.

Never heard any plink-plunk when listening to Chick Corea or Rick Wakeman (and many others) playing accoustic piano... And I love those guys dearly, for me they are masters of their art but they just don't fit with the Stones either.

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Actually he looks rather cool indeed in this photo, trimmed white beard and all.. Representing Southern Rock! So there goes that line of criticism I guess.

Anyway, he is the Stones' musical director, much more than just their piano player. I imagine he needs his sample-based keyboard in order to fulfil the variety of sounds / timing directions etc that his role demands. It'd be great if they did have a real baby grand (even upright) for him to play sometimes though (on the more acoustic numbers?). And if anyone can afford to build a customised one to be miked up in a well-isolated way, it's the Stones.

Still, we probably won't be hearing that much more from these old boys, so it's a moot point. What is his recent blues piano tribute album like though? Anyone have it?

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Chuck has two big book that he brings to rehersals. They contain the chord changes to ALL the Stones songs. He is the man.
Mathijs doesn't like the way Chuck looks like? I wonder what he would say if Bill Wyman replaced D Jones in 1994. "Wow look at the dead guy on stage". Mathijs is whats wrong with critcs. Too many people listen with their eyes and not their ears. I like to see what would happen if he was in a room with Keith and told him what he thought. Keith would see through he BS in no time flat.

It's the combination: terrible fashion and boring player. Wyman never looked the part, but he sure made up with fantastic playing. Stu looked like an accountant, but was a fantastic player. Bobby Keys is too fat, but is a fantastic player. Catch my drift?

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Chuck has two big book that he brings to rehersals. They contain the chord changes to ALL the Stones songs. He is the man.
Mathijs doesn't like the way Chuck looks like? I wonder what he would say if Bill Wyman replaced D Jones in 1994. "Wow look at the dead guy on stage". Mathijs is whats wrong with critcs. Too many people listen with their eyes and not their ears. I like to see what would happen if he was in a room with Keith and told him what he thought. Keith would see through he BS in no time flat.

It's the combination: terrible fashion and boring player. Wyman never looked the part, but he sure made up with fantastic playing. Stu looked like an accountant, but was a fantastic player. Bobby Keys is too fat, but is a fantastic player. Catch my drift?

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that you have a bizarre bias against an amazing musician? yes i do...

After 4pages of reading this topic i shall summarise:

Chuck should get a mini set in the middle of the Stones show.

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I'd hate to hear what the Stones would sound like without his organization, musicality, and support. The Stones are addicted to Chuck and what he does for the band onstage besides the playing is much more important than many of you can imagine.

Plink, plink is what acoustic piano's do and although he is not Nicky Hopkins, he at least stayed around to pass the audition.

I love Chuck and I think he is very limited in what he can do with the Stones because he is there to please the band. If they were to take his shackles off I think we would see him take more risks and reap greater rewards musically. He is a hired gun and does EXACTLY what Mick and Keith want him to do, imho.

Remember Keith is of the opinion that the hired guns were taking over the band in the 70's (the same shows most of the Chuck bashers are saying were so good).

Chuck is here to stay, whine all you want, it won't change a thing. peace

Yeah, Keith did say that. About the horns.

In terms of the sound of the band, Chuck, Matt Clifford - it doesn't matter. Since 1989 it's only about the money so the sound is not a concern, just the presentation (although that was seemingly dropped for the Bang tours). And it's squeaky clean like for the 1989/90 tours. And Chuck has done a great job of filling that role.

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I'd hate to hear what the Stones would sound like without his organization, musicality, and support. The Stones are addicted to Chuck and what he does for the band onstage besides the playing is much more important than many of you can imagine.

Plink, plink is what acoustic piano's do and although he is not Nicky Hopkins, he at least stayed around to pass the audition.

I love Chuck and I think he is very limited in what he can do with the Stones because he is there to please the band. If they were to take his shackles off I think we would see him take more risks and reap greater rewards musically. He is a hired gun and does EXACTLY what Mick and Keith want him to do, imho.

Remember Keith is of the opinion that the hired guns were taking over the band in the 70's (the same shows most of the Chuck bashers are saying were so good).

Chuck is here to stay, whine all you want, it won't change a thing. peace

Yeah, Keith did say that. About the horns.

In terms of the sound of the band, Chuck, Matt Clifford - it doesn't matter. Since 1989 it's only about the money so the sound is not a concern, just the presentation (although that was seemingly dropped for the Bang tours). And it's squeaky clean like for the 1989/90 tours. And Chuck has done a great job of filling that role.

No, about Preston, in particular.

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I'd hate to hear what the Stones would sound like without his organization, musicality, and support. The Stones are addicted to Chuck and what he does for the band onstage besides the playing is much more important than many of you can imagine.

Plink, plink is what acoustic piano's do and although he is not Nicky Hopkins, he at least stayed around to pass the audition.

I love Chuck and I think he is very limited in what he can do with the Stones because he is there to please the band. If they were to take his shackles off I think we would see him take more risks and reap greater rewards musically. He is a hired gun and does EXACTLY what Mick and Keith want him to do, imho.

Remember Keith is of the opinion that the hired guns were taking over the band in the 70's (the same shows most of the Chuck bashers are saying were so good).

Chuck is here to stay, whine all you want, it won't change a thing. peace

Yeah, Keith did say that. About the horns.

In terms of the sound of the band, Chuck, Matt Clifford - it doesn't matter. Since 1989 it's only about the money so the sound is not a concern, just the presentation (although that was seemingly dropped for the Bang tours). And it's squeaky clean like for the 1989/90 tours. And Chuck has done a great job of filling that role.

No, about Preston, in particular.

I remember reading about the horn section. Perhaps I've forgotten the part about Billy.

Why all you people compare Chuck Leavell with "Ian and Stu"? You have to check the Stones-piano catalogue much more deeper... Ian? Stu was a Stone, his piano was important in the Chuck Berry and early Stones tunes, but after 1965, he played a few times in record and only live. You are forgetting Billy Preston (to me, the same as Chuck Leavell, more intresting as organist rather than pianist) and "the other guy", who was more prominent from 1967-to 1974.
You may not like Chuck Leavell but... "Ian and Stu"? What about Nicky Hopkins?

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Reduced to his look only Chuck might fit to ZZ Top.
But that´s not important as the Stones rely on him about 30 years meanwhile.

To me his playing sounds good,it´s not just some pling-plong.
Different to Ian Stewart,Nicky Hopkins,Billy Preston and Ian McLagan,
but the Stones from ´82 up today don´t sound as in the 60´s and 70´s.

I can´t see any reason to bash him.

Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying F**K who the keyboard player is. As long as Mick, Keith, Charlie, Lisa and Ronnie are in top form, that's all that counts...

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Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying F**K who the keyboard player is

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Why all you people compare Chuck Leavell with "Ian and Stu"?

I'm not. I just don't care for Leavell's playing. With the Stones the piano is pedestrian mall friendly.

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Am I the only one that doesn't give a flying F**K who the keyboard player is. As long as Mick, Keith, Charlie, Lisa and Ronnie are in top form, that's all that counts...

Then you'll probably love this

Nice...

Chuck's about ready to his own bashing:

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Chuck has two big book that he brings to rehersals. They contain the chord changes to ALL the Stones songs. He is the man.
Mathijs doesn't like the way Chuck looks like? I wonder what he would say if Bill Wyman replaced D Jones in 1994. "Wow look at the dead guy on stage". Mathijs is whats wrong with critcs. Too many people listen with their eyes and not their ears. I like to see what would happen if he was in a room with Keith and told him what he thought. Keith would see through he BS in no time flat.

It's the combination: terrible fashion and boring player. Wyman never looked the part, but he sure made up with fantastic playing. Stu looked like an accountant, but was a fantastic player. Bobby Keys is too fat, but is a fantastic player. Catch my drift?

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Is it 50% reality and 50% subjective. We all see things in a different perspective Mathijs don't we?

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Reduced to his look only Chuck might fit to ZZ Top.
But that´s not important as the Stones rely on him about 30 years meanwhile.

To me his playing sounds good,it´s not just some pling-plong.
Different to Ian Stewart,Nicky Hopkins,Billy Preston and Ian McLagan,
but the Stones from ´82 up today don´t sound as in the 60´s and 70´s.

I can´t see any reason to bash him.

Right on fanny, that is a good summary. I am amazed that musicians like Mathijs seem to be so concerned about Chuck's fashion sense and Bobby Keys weight. In a band made up of wrinkled old men who wouldn't stand a chance in today's record business music model. It's ALL about the music for me.

That being the case I would be happy if they spent their last days recording one great record. Let the record go on tour. That's how it was in my formative years, a sussessful business model that has been around as long as Sgt. Pepper. Get skinny beautiful people, The daughters of the Stone's or avitars to entertain the eyeballs. The Stone's are and have always been about the music for me.

Furthermore, Keith has always been the musical leader and if he says Chuck has golden fingers who can argue? It's in the best tradition of the Stones to use extra players to not just enhance the music but MOTIVATE, INSPIRE and hang out with. At their age this is quite possibly just as important as any other hired hand skills. peace