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I am neither liberal nor conservative. I am independent. A social liberal and foreign policy conservative. Yet, Michael Moore has made some incredible documentaries, that any sane person should be able to appreciate and understand the duplicity and lies perpetuated by our political leaders. Sicko was an eye opener, and again, I fail to understand how anyone would against universal health care coverage. Case in point, a friend recently had a small, around 2mm, growth removed from his leg in the US. He was admitted to surgery and recovery! And charged 4000 dollars. INSANE. While you may not agree with Moore, he is a talented and vital voice of reason and decent in an age of big business funding political movements. Just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe. I wonder if any of the Moore haters have even watched any of his movies? Or is it just a visceral knee jerk reaction, and a defense against actually thinking about an alternative view point that challenges.

No just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe but if you are in the middle as you say you are I do question your judgment. When it comes to most issues there are two sides to every story and Michael Moore is clearly interested in only one side of the story even if it means distorting the truth. Even CNN which is no right wing organization fact checked one of his movies and found a lot of innacuracies.



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I am neither liberal nor conservative. I am independent. A social liberal and foreign policy conservative. Yet, Michael Moore has made some incredible documentaries, that any sane person should be able to appreciate and understand the duplicity and lies perpetuated by our political leaders. Sicko was an eye opener, and again, I fail to understand how anyone would against universal health care coverage. Case in point, a friend recently had a small, around 2mm, growth removed from his leg in the US. He was admitted to surgery and recovery! And charged 4000 dollars. INSANE. While you may not agree with Moore, he is a talented and vital voice of reason and decent in an age of big business funding political movements. Just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe. I wonder if any of the Moore haters have even watched any of his movies? Or is it just a visceral knee jerk reaction, and a defense against actually thinking about an alternative view point that challenges.

No just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe but if you are in the middle as you say you are I do question your judgment. When it comes to most issues there are two sides to every story and Michael Moore is clearly interested in only one side of the story even if it means distorting the truth. Even CNN which is no right wing organization fact checked one of his movies and found a lot of innacuracies.

yes, Moore is interested in 'one side' of the story. the side how globalization and capitalism, unbridled, screws people. and it does. and he's put out his story without screwing anyone in the process. and he's made others working for him well off, too, when he didn't need to. and he's paid more into society in gobs of ways without being asked, and was glad to do it. and didn't make a parade out of it.

and, he's faced death threats from many nuts, and he’s part of a shrinking minority within the 1% that gives capitalism a good name.

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No Stoneage, I'd guess at least 60% agree with Michael Moore....and I don't think ADORE is an accurate desciption of how us Liberals feel about Moore. We appreciate the fact that he accurately describes the situation in the country in a way that is articulate and yet easy for the redneck right wingers to understand & stand up and scream about...and for this, I applaud Moore, loudly!!

Rasmussen reports polls show that Michael Moore's approval rating is even lower than George W. Bush at the end of his second term.


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I am neither liberal nor conservative. I am independent. A social liberal and foreign policy conservative. Yet, Michael Moore has made some incredible documentaries, that any sane person should be able to appreciate and understand the duplicity and lies perpetuated by our political leaders. Sicko was an eye opener, and again, I fail to understand how anyone would against universal health care coverage. Case in point, a friend recently had a small, around 2mm, growth removed from his leg in the US. He was admitted to surgery and recovery! And charged 4000 dollars. INSANE. While you may not agree with Moore, he is a talented and vital voice of reason and decent in an age of big business funding political movements. Just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe. I wonder if any of the Moore haters have even watched any of his movies? Or is it just a visceral knee jerk reaction, and a defense against actually thinking about an alternative view point that challenges.

No just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe but if you are in the middle as you say you are I do question your judgment. When it comes to most issues there are two sides to every story and Michael Moore is clearly interested in only one side of the story even if it means distorting the truth. Even CNN which is no right wing organization fact checked one of his movies and found a lot of innacuracies.

yes, Moore is interested in 'one side' of the story. the side how globalization and capitalism, unbridled, screws people. and it does. and he's put out his story without screwing anyone in the process. and he's made others working for him well off, too, when he didn't need to. and he's paid more into society in gobs of ways without being asked, and was glad to do it. and didn't make a parade out of it.

and, he's faced death threats from many nuts, and he’s part of a shrinking minority within the 1% that gives capitalism a good name.

He "preaches to the choir" as is evidenced by your post. You are obviously left wing like him. Doesn't make you right on the issues- or wrong for that matter.

Frank, take away that picture please. We don't want this thread closed down.

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Frank, take away that picture please. We don't want this thread closed down.

My picture is the most offensive thing in this thread? A little too sensitive?- or perhaps selective outrage.



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Frank, take away that picture please. We don't want this thread closed down.

My picture is the most offensive thing in this thread? A little too sensitive?- or perhaps selective outrage.

Damn yankees!

No Frank, just trying to practise common sense. But if you rather want to have the thread closed - that's the way to go.

Why Ted Nugent would never be the opening act for the Stones? Simple. Because this stage ain't big enough for two gun-toting guitarists on the same bill.





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No Frank, just trying to practise common sense. But if you rather want to have the thread closed - that's the way to go.

I removed it ya big baby. Like I said selective outrage.



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No Frank, just trying to practise common sense. But if you rather want to have the thread closed - that's the way to go.

I removed it ya big baby. Like I said selective outrage.

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I am neither liberal nor conservative. I am independent. A social liberal and foreign policy conservative. Yet, Michael Moore has made some incredible documentaries, that any sane person should be able to appreciate and understand the duplicity and lies perpetuated by our political leaders. Sicko was an eye opener, and again, I fail to understand how anyone would against universal health care coverage. Case in point, a friend recently had a small, around 2mm, growth removed from his leg in the US. He was admitted to surgery and recovery! And charged 4000 dollars. INSANE. While you may not agree with Moore, he is a talented and vital voice of reason and decent in an age of big business funding political movements. Just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe. I wonder if any of the Moore haters have even watched any of his movies? Or is it just a visceral knee jerk reaction, and a defense against actually thinking about an alternative view point that challenges.

No just liking Michael Moore does not make you a lunatic fringe but if you are in the middle as you say you are I do question your judgment. When it comes to most issues there are two sides to every story and Michael Moore is clearly interested in only one side of the story even if it means distorting the truth. Even CNN which is no right wing organization fact checked one of his movies and found a lot of innacuracies.

yes, Moore is interested in 'one side' of the story. the side how globalization and capitalism, unbridled, screws people. and it does. and he's put out his story without screwing anyone in the process. and he's made others working for him well off, too, when he didn't need to. and he's paid more into society in gobs of ways without being asked, and was glad to do it. and didn't make a parade out of it.

and, he's faced death threats from many nuts, and he’s part of a shrinking minority within the 1% that gives capitalism a good name.

He "preaches to the choir" as is evidenced by your post. You are obviously left wing like him. Doesn't make you right on the issues- or wrong for that matter.

if Moore "preaches to the choir," i guess meaning people who already tend to agree with him, then the exact same goes for the people who disagree with him too

i saw 'Sicko' for example, and it was a lot truer when it talked about health care in Canada than the stuff i hear on Fox News or from right wing Republicans about it, which is pretty much ridiculous

i mean republican's and rightwing talk show jabberers foster false and phony negatives about Canada's health care system over and over, but nobody says a damn thing about that or holds them accountable

i've lived in Canada for over 50 years, and after just requiring neck surgery after a car accident i can personally vouch that the system is more than adequate, that it is NOT run by civil servants or government, but by doctors, who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor. all the time

and that people can choose any doctor they want, they are not 'told' what doctor to use

republican criticisms of it should not even be allowed to be broadcast, they are so full of crap

"republican criticisms of it should not even be allowed to be broadcast, they are so full of crap".

Same old left wing nonsense- freedom of speech until somebody disagrees with you- then silence them.



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"republican criticisms of it should not even be allowed to be broadcast, they are so full of crap".

Same old left wing nonsense- freedom of speech until somebody disagrees with you- then silence them.

hey, i've heard so much garbage from republicans about the canadian health care system, its beyond the pale

disagreeing is one thing, but out and out lying about it?

for example;

our system is not 'more expensive', in fact its way cheaper. administrative costs for all canada's provincial and territorial health care systems covering 30 million people is more than ten times less for example than the administrative costs for just the north east US coast area, for about the same amount of people

emergencies are NOT neglected in canada, none of them

canadians can choose their own physicians and seek multiple opinions

no one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas half of personal bankruptcies n the USA are due to unpaid, high medical bills. more Americans go bust or lose their homes due to medical costs than the sub-prime problem, even

'government' does not run health care here, doctors and medical professionals do

for starters

michal moore knows all this, pity you or republicans don't; repubs just feed gibberish to the american public all in protyecting their own self interests

republicans attacking canadian health care and lying about it are simnply laughed at, dude, here in canada, for the clowns they are



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"republican criticisms of it should not even be allowed to be broadcast, they are so full of crap".

Same old left wing nonsense- freedom of speech until somebody disagrees with you- then silence them.

hey, i've heard so much garbage from republicans about the canadian health care system, its beyond the pale

disagreeing is one thing, but out and out lying about it?

for example;

our system is not 'more expensive', in fact its way cheaper. administrative costs for all canada's provincial and territorial health care systems covering 30 million people is more than ten times less for example than the administrative costs for just the north east US coast area, for about the same amount of people

emergencies are NOT neglected in canada, none of them

canadians can choose their own physicians and seek multiple opinions

no one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas half of personal bankruptcies n the USA are due to unpaid, high medical bills. more Americans go bust or lose their homes due to medical costs than the sub-prime problem, even

'government' does not run health care here, doctors and medical professionals do

for starters

michal moore knows all this, pity you or republicans don't; repubs just feed gibberish to the american public all in protyecting their own self interests

republicans attacking canadian health care and lying about it are simnply laughed at, dude, here in canada, for the clowns they are

Michael Moore's a bigger liar than anyone on the right. His movies are full of innacuracies but go ahead and idolize the guy all you want. I won't lose sleep over it.






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probably Ted isn´t available anyway for any tour after the next november...

Michael Moore is a "bumper sticker intellectual". Nothing more and nothing less.

The man literally dribbles spittle whenever he talks.

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Michael Moore is a "bumper sticker intellectual". Nothing more and nothing less.

The man literally dribbles spittle whenever he talks.

obviously he hit some nerves and that´s fine.

Thanks for the vid, SFF. I didn't know that it was that bad. My good, how low can you go? Isn't that suable?

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probably Ted isn´t available anyway for any tour after the next november...

...and he'll be picking things up out on the campaign trail as well

I have a good reason why he should never be an opening act.

Because some people might be inclined to start calling him StonesTed.

That might not resonate well with some other IORR members.

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The Nuge rocks. WOuld be great opener.

yeah, opener of a draft dodger r" us club.

he's a draft dodger. he's admited it a few times. he's anti american and a hyprocate.

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The Nuge rocks. WOuld be great opener.

yeah, opener of a draft dodger r" us club.

he's a draft dodger. he's admited it a few times. he's anti american and a hyprocate.

Well, at least he's not a hypocrite!

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The Nuge rocks. WOuld be great opener.

yeah, opener of a draft dodger r" us club.

he's a draft dodger. he's admited it a few times. he's anti american and a hyprocate.

Well, at least he's not a hypocrite!

or a hippo-crate

"Nugent's no conservative, he's just a dumbass redneck. if anything, he's an genetic reflection of what the right wing has turned into: George Wallace without the panache. poor Ted, he journeyed to the center of his mind one time too many back in the '60s"


Hmmmm....George Wallace was a democrat, just like Obama. He ran for U.S. president four times, three times as a Democrat and once on the American Independent Party ticket.

I guess if you are trying to define Ted Nugent as a right-winger like George Wallace then you have failed.

It was democrats who blocked reconstruction after the Civil War, formed the KKK, gave us segregation, and fought against civil right. Ever hear about Al Gore Sr? Robert Byrd?

Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

"Nugent's no conservative, he's just a dumbass redneck. if anything, he's an genetic reflection of what the right wing has turned into: George Wallace without the panache."

Give a monkey a keyboard and it will eventually type "War & Peace."

How can someone from Detroit, MI be considered a redneck? Isn't redneck a pejorative term for someone from the South?

Panache refers to flamboyance in style or action. Yes, Ted Nugent is so low-key and reserved. Just like George Wallace, only without the swagger.

What the right wing has turned into....what have they turned into? Racists and facists like left-wingers?

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The Nuge rocks. WOuld be great opener.

NO deal.

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The Nuge rocks. WOuld be great opener.

yeah, opener of a draft dodger r" us club.

he's a draft dodger. he's admited it a few times. he's anti american and a hyprocate.

if by admit you mean he said he got a student deferement (sp?) then yes. that story you and others keep posting saying he soiled his pants and stopped washing was a joke nugent was playing on a journalist in the 70's. not sure if it was here but one website even has nugents student deferment form with the approval from the army



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I am a big fan of Uncle Ted's music and first saw him opening for Aerosmith in 1975 at the Schaeffer Music Fest.

Back then he went on stage and just played without his caveman act or ranting about his politcal views.

Went and saw him last summer at the Boston HOB and there was maybe 2-300 people in attendance. The place was basically empty.

Uncle Ted can still play but I was really turned off by his political rantings and he had Guns all over the stage and was ranting against the authorities hassling him over them in between songs.

As much as I love his music I don't think I will ever go see him in concert again due to his mixing his politics with his music.



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The Nuge rocks. WOuld be great opener.

NO deal.

When NO deal, becomes a DONE deal, worlds collide.