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Now you're being thoughtless tossing about fascinating what ifs...
By the way, have you heard the longer uncut Chitlins from the Dallas Sound Labs boot.
Great stuff that
Come What May
yeah, i have that. chitlins con even more carne...or something.
I agree. Good points! This is something why I called him "hero of his time" - to say that his reputation and 'myth' is somehow manufactured after his death is simply ignorant talk. We have to put the things into context here.
The 80's is surely not most glorified for its 'great' music (no matter how 'innovative' it might have been) but in the middle of all that posing, over-production, synths, hair rock bands, whatever crap, the blues tradition had a rather strong revival. I think it was a kind of counter-revolution against the main stream of the day. I really am a boy of that genre. Yeah, The Stones had already introduced me to the wonderful history of blues, but it was people like SRV - and especially him - who made it alive and current and exciting again. Like mentioned above, he helped the careers of some big names to shine again, but he also helped a league of 'new' names to the game as well - Robert Cray, Duke Robillard, Omar & The Howlers, etc. There were so many of them I can't even recall them any longer, but it was clear that SRV was the one who brought the attention to teh genre and made news all around the world.
I remember hearing of´him first time in one Finnish rock programme in radio - hear there some songs of TEXAS FLOOD which were simply magnetic, and someome saying "some people claim now that this is the best guy in business since Johnny Winter, but others say straight that Johnny was nothing - this the best guy since Jimi Hendrix!" That kind of context introduced SRV to rock audiences (who were hot for guitar heroes), made him popular and I think, for that reason, a head above the others from the blues genre. He used the common language the main stream rock people clearly speak of: terrific guitar, and no one in business following what's going on, couldn't ignore him. He really made his mark in the guitar sound world. SRV was a bit like The Stones in the early 60's - introducing the blues to wider, new audiences. You need good 'populists' like them.
- Doxa
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-19 08:39 by Doxa.
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Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
pinkfloydthebarber
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Date: July 18, 2012 19:23
"SRV saved music in the 80's for me"
-- How? By going back to the 50's? SRV was not an inventor, he rehashed the blues musical vocabulary without adding to it.
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i respectfully disagree. SRV saved the eighties by pretty much singlehandedly ushering in a blues / rock revival and renaissance when blues especially and even rock and roll in general had been hijacked by synthesized hair bands and glam metal poseurs.
sure danny gatton was excellent, roy buchanan too, but so was SRV
he drew from people like freddie king, lightning hopkins and otis rush but to say he didnt expand on those sounds or add to it IMHO is nuts; he was a definite blues guitar innovator (and encyclopedia)
he used octaves, up drones and trills often for example on his solos; nobody else did then; he'd use 6ths alot in his solos too
thanks to SRV people like B.B. King, Albert King, Albert Collins and Buddy Guy took their careers to new heights during the 1980s
some of his best stuff was more jazz edged than blues, even; he threw in rockibilly licks and jazz stylings at whim
yeah soul to soul was a bit of a weak record, but it has 'life without you' which is worth the price of admission alone; that note he hits to start the solo still gives goosebumps
'live alive' is a bit of a wreck but remember so was SRV at the time. much better is the boot in memoriam (live philly 83 and montreal 84) which blows the official 'live alive' out of the tubs; so does the 87 one at Mann Music Center Philadelphia
the el mocombo 1983 in toronto gig is spectacular too
there were a lot of great bluesmen, and stevie is one of them; he did more to champion blues as a genre in the 80s to a crowd with little exposure to the blues than any other single artist i can think of, and exposed millions of people to a true American artform
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-18 19:35 by pinkfloydthebarber.
-- How? By going back to the 50's? SRV was not an inventor, he rehashed the blues musical vocabulary without adding to it.
--------------------
i respectfully disagree. SRV saved the eighties by pretty much singlehandedly ushering in a blues / rock revival and renaissance when blues especially and even rock and roll in general had been hijacked by synthesized hair bands and glam metal poseurs.
sure danny gatton was excellent, roy buchanan too, but so was SRV
he drew from people like freddie king, lightning hopkins and otis rush but to say he didnt expand on those sounds or add to it IMHO is nuts; he was a definite blues guitar innovator (and encyclopedia)
he used octaves, up drones and trills often for example on his solos; nobody else did then; he'd use 6ths alot in his solos too
thanks to SRV people like B.B. King, Albert King, Albert Collins and Buddy Guy took their careers to new heights during the 1980s
some of his best stuff was more jazz edged than blues, even; he threw in rockibilly licks and jazz stylings at whim
yeah soul to soul was a bit of a weak record, but it has 'life without you' which is worth the price of admission alone; that note he hits to start the solo still gives goosebumps
'live alive' is a bit of a wreck but remember so was SRV at the time. much better is the boot in memoriam (live philly 83 and montreal 84) which blows the official 'live alive' out of the tubs; so does the 87 one at Mann Music Center Philadelphia
the el mocombo 1983 in toronto gig is spectacular too
there were a lot of great bluesmen, and stevie is one of them; he did more to champion blues as a genre in the 80s to a crowd with little exposure to the blues than any other single artist i can think of, and exposed millions of people to a true American artform
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-18 19:35 by pinkfloydthebarber.
Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
Munichhilton
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Date: July 18, 2012 19:24
....and have you heard Riviera Paradise? C'mon dcba!!
Come What May
Come What May
Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
StonesTod
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Date: July 18, 2012 19:32
common assumptions about both jimi and stevie is that they would have more fully explored their jazz leanings had they lived longer...i love srv's take on the kenny burrell classic, chitlins con carne...would love to have heard him do an album of covers from the jazz guitar masters...burrell, tal farlow, wes montgomery, barney kessel, etc...
Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
Munichhilton
()
Date: July 18, 2012 20:11
Quote
StonesTod
common assumptions about both jimi and stevie is that they would have more fully explored their jazz leanings had they lived longer...i love srv's take on the kenny burrell classic, chitlins con carne...would love to have heard him do an album of covers from the jazz guitar masters...burrell, tal farlow, wes montgomery, barney kessel, etc...
Now you're being thoughtless tossing about fascinating what ifs...
By the way, have you heard the longer uncut Chitlins from the Dallas Sound Labs boot.
Great stuff that
Come What May
Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
duke richardson
()
Date: July 18, 2012 20:44
Quote
StonesTod
common assumptions about both jimi and stevie is that they would have more fully explored their jazz leanings had they lived longer...i love srv's take on the kenny burrell classic, chitlins con carne...would love to have heard him do an album of covers from the jazz guitar masters...burrell, tal farlow, wes montgomery, barney kessel, etc...
Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 18, 2012 21:07
Quote
Munichhilton
Quote
StonesTod
common assumptions about both jimi and stevie is that they would have more fully explored their jazz leanings had they lived longer...i love srv's take on the kenny burrell classic, chitlins con carne...would love to have heard him do an album of covers from the jazz guitar masters...burrell, tal farlow, wes montgomery, barney kessel, etc...
Now you're being thoughtless tossing about fascinating what ifs...
By the way, have you heard the longer uncut Chitlins from the Dallas Sound Labs boot.
Great stuff that
yeah, i have that. chitlins con even more carne...or something.
Re: Stevie Ray and the Stones - Special thanks?
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: July 19, 2012 08:23
Quote
pinkfloydthebarber
SRV saved the eighties by pretty much singlehandedly ushering in a blues / rock revival and renaissance when blues especially and even rock and roll in general had been hijacked by synthesized hair bands and glam metal poseurs.
he drew from people like freddie king, lightning hopkins and otis rush but to say he didnt expand on those sounds or add to it IMHO is nuts; he was a definite blues guitar innovator (and encyclopedia)
thanks to SRV people like B.B. King, Albert King, Albert Collins and Buddy Guy took their careers to new heights during the 1980s
there were a lot of great bluesmen, and stevie is one of them; he did more to champion blues as a genre in the 80s to a crowd with little exposure to the blues than any other single artist i can think of, and exposed millions of people to a true American artform
I agree. Good points! This is something why I called him "hero of his time" - to say that his reputation and 'myth' is somehow manufactured after his death is simply ignorant talk. We have to put the things into context here.
The 80's is surely not most glorified for its 'great' music (no matter how 'innovative' it might have been) but in the middle of all that posing, over-production, synths, hair rock bands, whatever crap, the blues tradition had a rather strong revival. I think it was a kind of counter-revolution against the main stream of the day. I really am a boy of that genre. Yeah, The Stones had already introduced me to the wonderful history of blues, but it was people like SRV - and especially him - who made it alive and current and exciting again. Like mentioned above, he helped the careers of some big names to shine again, but he also helped a league of 'new' names to the game as well - Robert Cray, Duke Robillard, Omar & The Howlers, etc. There were so many of them I can't even recall them any longer, but it was clear that SRV was the one who brought the attention to teh genre and made news all around the world.
I remember hearing of´him first time in one Finnish rock programme in radio - hear there some songs of TEXAS FLOOD which were simply magnetic, and someome saying "some people claim now that this is the best guy in business since Johnny Winter, but others say straight that Johnny was nothing - this the best guy since Jimi Hendrix!" That kind of context introduced SRV to rock audiences (who were hot for guitar heroes), made him popular and I think, for that reason, a head above the others from the blues genre. He used the common language the main stream rock people clearly speak of: terrific guitar, and no one in business following what's going on, couldn't ignore him. He really made his mark in the guitar sound world. SRV was a bit like The Stones in the early 60's - introducing the blues to wider, new audiences. You need good 'populists' like them.
- Doxa
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-19 08:39 by Doxa.
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