Tell Me :
Talk
maybe the artists could do 'by donation' car washes, where they play their music on a ghetto blaster?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-17 20:55 by treaclefingers.
Great point liddas. I use to borrow records from my local library and tape them on cassette back in the 70s. I'm sure many people did the same. If I really liked the albums I'd buy them. But borrowing record from a library was a way of giving people access to culture. Can't think of too many impoverished artists from those times.
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
____________________________________________________________________
New Track - Indoor Sunshine
[www.thepowergoats.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-17 21:03 by jamesfdouglas.
That's right. Simple as that.
Sorry but sharing music is not stealing
"No Dope Smoking,No Beer Sold After 12 oclock"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-19 02:22 by ROPENI.
Indeed, there's always a choice to be made. Yes, CDs used to be very expensive but that's not been true for years. And to be fair, media companies have, albeit grudgingly, adapted to the digital age by offering MP3s for sale. There's lots of things in life I can't afford, does that give me a right to take what I want? Taking this argument to its logical conclusion, I can justify just about any crime because "a company makes too much profit" and "I can't afford their products".
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
nice tone here,btw.
I agree with Erik,I´m not downloading official released stuff because I´m probably as childish...
Same here, in fact I've had stuff on CDr recorded from the music library stock or friends and then gone out and bought the originals and then passed the Cdr on to someone else to check out.....................
I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-18 14:19 by EddieByword.
Nice thoughts. But you'll have to change the law to make such filesharing legal ...
Hi Erik,ur point is taken,but the fact that you may be an "artist" doesn't excuse insulting a person,just cause that "artist" has different opinion. As far as downloading and sharing as some have pointed out, in a very strict legal sense it is illegal,it doesn't matter whether the recording is official or not,the song belongs to whoever wrote it,and we take them and don't pay for it,having said,l do it and l also shared my recordings with others here. l honestly have no problem with doing that,and l think 99.9% of the other folks here do the same,someone wants to call it stealing,that is their prerogative,l don't agree with that definition...
"No Dope Smoking,No Beer Sold After 12 oclock"
But the law says: it's stealing!
and btw.: Me, I'm not a saint, as said many times on IORR ...
but: I find it very careless to say: Filesharing/downloading illegal stuff will be legal ...
True, Ropeni. James, the artist, owe you an apology, but you probably won't get it. These artists always let their fame go to their head
Erik,you may be right
"No Dope Smoking,No Beer Sold After 12 oclock"
Why? Isn't it a 'might as well be the same' then? If you don't have it and you get it by illegal download...then you have it. Which means you "own" it, without paying for it.
Right? Or is it like a STD - you get it, you have it, you pass it on, everyone's happy! You're sharing!
So illegally downloading is not stealing, it's a suspended form of borrowing. Shouldn't the artist make some money for the work though? Studios aren't cheap.
So...if I rob a bank, it's not stealing because...the people willingly put "their" money in the bank.
Right!?
Talk about your favorite band.
For information about how to use this forum please check out forum help and policies.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
liddas
()
Date: July 17, 2012 20:20
Public libraries are places where I can borrow any book for free, read it, ad give it back. For ages, this was the main access to culture for most of the people.
File sharing works the same way: free access to art is a good thing.
Of course this is not a good reason for the artists to be forced to work only for the glory.
I think that an advanced community should come up with a solution that can ensure adequate resources for artistic productions (music, cinema etc.), fair compensation to the artists AND no barriers to enjoy their output.
There are plenty of ways to acheive this. Not so many people willing to do so.
C
File sharing works the same way: free access to art is a good thing.
Of course this is not a good reason for the artists to be forced to work only for the glory.
I think that an advanced community should come up with a solution that can ensure adequate resources for artistic productions (music, cinema etc.), fair compensation to the artists AND no barriers to enjoy their output.
There are plenty of ways to acheive this. Not so many people willing to do so.
C
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
treaclefingers
()
Date: July 17, 2012 20:39
Quote
liddas
Public libraries are places where I can borrow any book for free, read it, ad give it back. For ages, this was the main access to culture for most of the people.
File sharing works the same way: free access to art is a good thing.
Of course this is not a good reason for the artists to be forced to work only for the glory.
I think that an advanced community should come up with a solution that can ensure adequate resources for artistic productions (music, cinema etc.), fair compensation to the artists AND no barriers to enjoy their output.
There are plenty of ways to acheive this. Not so many people willing to do so.
C
maybe the artists could do 'by donation' car washes, where they play their music on a ghetto blaster?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-17 20:55 by treaclefingers.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
Silver Dagger
()
Date: July 17, 2012 20:51
Quote
liddas
Public libraries are places where I can borrow any book for free, read it, ad give it back. For ages, this was the main access to culture for most of the people.
File sharing works the same way: free access to art is a good thing.
Of course this is not a good reason for the artists to be forced to work only for the glory.
I think that an advanced community should come up with a solution that can ensure adequate resources for artistic productions (music, cinema etc.), fair compensation to the artists AND no barriers to enjoy their output.
There are plenty of ways to acheive this. Not so many people willing to do so.
C
Great point liddas. I use to borrow records from my local library and tape them on cassette back in the 70s. I'm sure many people did the same. If I really liked the albums I'd buy them. But borrowing record from a library was a way of giving people access to culture. Can't think of too many impoverished artists from those times.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
gwen
()
Date: July 17, 2012 21:01
In the mid 2000s, there was a study in France that the average budget spent on entertainment had not gone down. But instead of buying just CDs, people were now buying DVDs, video games... Why buy a live CD for €15 when you can get the live DVD for the same price or sometimes even less?
Therefore it was limiting the budget for CDs. I guess nowadays, the overall budget is similar, but people spend money on brand new phones, tablets and laptops, and the various monthly subscriptions...
Therefore it was limiting the budget for CDs. I guess nowadays, the overall budget is similar, but people spend money on brand new phones, tablets and laptops, and the various monthly subscriptions...
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
jamesfdouglas
()
Date: July 17, 2012 21:03
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
____________________________________________________________________
New Track - Indoor Sunshine
[www.thepowergoats.com]
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-17 21:03 by jamesfdouglas.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 17, 2012 21:07
it ain't STEALING! it's illegal downloading and copyright infringement! jeez...i can't believe it's that hard to understand....
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
The Stones
()
Date: July 17, 2012 21:58
Quote
StonesTod
it ain't STEALING! it's illegal downloading and copyright infringement! jeez...i can't believe it's that hard to understand....
That's right. Simple as that.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: July 18, 2012 03:09
Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
Sorry but sharing music is not stealing
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
ROPENI
()
Date: July 18, 2012 04:54
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me idiot cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
"No Dope Smoking,No Beer Sold After 12 oclock"
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-19 02:22 by ROPENI.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
Father Ted
()
Date: July 18, 2012 12:06
Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
Indeed, there's always a choice to be made. Yes, CDs used to be very expensive but that's not been true for years. And to be fair, media companies have, albeit grudgingly, adapted to the digital age by offering MP3s for sale. There's lots of things in life I can't afford, does that give me a right to take what I want? Taking this argument to its logical conclusion, I can justify just about any crime because "a company makes too much profit" and "I can't afford their products".
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
ab
()
Date: July 18, 2012 12:20
Sharing and downloading officially released material rips off musicians. But I have no problem with sharing and downloading bootlegs. Bootlegs used to be obscenely expensive, with all the profit going to someone who usually had nothing to do with the performance in question. File sharing was a great service for people who want to collect boots without breaking the bank.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 18, 2012 12:41
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
gwen
()
Date: July 18, 2012 13:06
Keith didn't have a problem with illegal copies of copyrighted material when I gave him CDR copies of CDs I own. And the copied artists, from small islands, were much poorer than Keith or even than me. I did send some of the originals later on, though.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
()
Date: July 18, 2012 13:50
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
nice tone here,btw.
I agree with Erik,I´m not downloading official released stuff because I´m probably as childish...
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
HighwireC
()
Date: July 18, 2012 14:17
Bootlegging is legal ..????
Perhaps "wishfull" thinking becomes true if repeated a lot of times ...?
>> Purseglove has now lost all of his assets including two homes in Chelsea in London, a home in Brighton and his Aston Martin sports car. He was jailed and ordered to forfeit all of his assets after being sentenced to three and a half years imprisonment on charges of Conspiracy to Defraud the UK recorded music industry.
The confiscation order, amounting to £1.8 million (US$3. 4 million), is a British record for music piracy.
Delivering the sentence, Judge Pontius made it clear that Purseglove's decision to "flout the law to reap considerable financial rewards" would not be tolerated and that he "needed to pass a sentence to deter you and others and send a strong message that the courts will provide effective protection of the rights of producers, composers and publishers" and that he wished to "deprive you of as much as I lawfully can" adding that the "loss to the recording industry was likely to be considerable".
The Judge took into account Purseglove's "contempt of previous injunctions" and "repeated flagrant and blatant disregard for the law" and ruled that failure to hand over his £1.8 (US$3.4) million fortune before the March 31 2005 deadline would result in a further five year prison term.
IFPI Head of Enforcement Iain Grant said: "This kind of sentence sets a good example to the criminals involved in music piracy all over the world and to the judicial systems which need to deal with them. This was a major international bootlegger motivated by enormous profits who ran a sophisticated illegal business across the world. The confiscation of the huge proceeds of his activities is warmly welcomed - this is one of the most vital elements of an effective criminal justice system in dealing with this kind of organised crime".
The court had heard that Purseglove had built his bootlegging empire by amassing a massive collection of illegal recordings of classic and contemporary artists from Led Zeppelin, David Bowie and Pink Floyd to Supergrass and Coldplay. He paid people to make illegal recordings, copied broadcasts and illegally counterfeited legitimately released recordings. <<
[www.ifpi.org]
>>The three-and-a-half year sentence handed out to serial bootlegger Mark Purseglove last week has been hailed as evidence of a new get-tough approach to music piracy from the courts.
Purseglove amassed at least 6.6m [pounds sterling] through an 11-year career selling bootlegged CDs of acts including The Rolling Stones, Oasis, David Bowie and Eminem; police sources have suggested the total sum made by Purseglove could even be as high as 15m [pounds sterling].
As well as the prison sentence, he was ordered to hand over 1.88m [pounds sterling] of assets which include homes in Chelsea and Sussex and an Aston Martin sports car. The money--the largest sum any UK … <<
[www.accessmylibrary.com]
etc.etc.
Perhaps "wishfull" thinking becomes true if repeated a lot of times ...?
>> Purseglove has now lost all of his assets including two homes in Chelsea in London, a home in Brighton and his Aston Martin sports car. He was jailed and ordered to forfeit all of his assets after being sentenced to three and a half years imprisonment on charges of Conspiracy to Defraud the UK recorded music industry.
The confiscation order, amounting to £1.8 million (US$3. 4 million), is a British record for music piracy.
Delivering the sentence, Judge Pontius made it clear that Purseglove's decision to "flout the law to reap considerable financial rewards" would not be tolerated and that he "needed to pass a sentence to deter you and others and send a strong message that the courts will provide effective protection of the rights of producers, composers and publishers" and that he wished to "deprive you of as much as I lawfully can" adding that the "loss to the recording industry was likely to be considerable".
The Judge took into account Purseglove's "contempt of previous injunctions" and "repeated flagrant and blatant disregard for the law" and ruled that failure to hand over his £1.8 (US$3.4) million fortune before the March 31 2005 deadline would result in a further five year prison term.
IFPI Head of Enforcement Iain Grant said: "This kind of sentence sets a good example to the criminals involved in music piracy all over the world and to the judicial systems which need to deal with them. This was a major international bootlegger motivated by enormous profits who ran a sophisticated illegal business across the world. The confiscation of the huge proceeds of his activities is warmly welcomed - this is one of the most vital elements of an effective criminal justice system in dealing with this kind of organised crime".
The court had heard that Purseglove had built his bootlegging empire by amassing a massive collection of illegal recordings of classic and contemporary artists from Led Zeppelin, David Bowie and Pink Floyd to Supergrass and Coldplay. He paid people to make illegal recordings, copied broadcasts and illegally counterfeited legitimately released recordings. <<
[www.ifpi.org]
>>The three-and-a-half year sentence handed out to serial bootlegger Mark Purseglove last week has been hailed as evidence of a new get-tough approach to music piracy from the courts.
Purseglove amassed at least 6.6m [pounds sterling] through an 11-year career selling bootlegged CDs of acts including The Rolling Stones, Oasis, David Bowie and Eminem; police sources have suggested the total sum made by Purseglove could even be as high as 15m [pounds sterling].
As well as the prison sentence, he was ordered to hand over 1.88m [pounds sterling] of assets which include homes in Chelsea and Sussex and an Aston Martin sports car. The money--the largest sum any UK … <<
[www.accessmylibrary.com]
etc.etc.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
EddieByword
()
Date: July 18, 2012 14:18
Quote
shortfatfanny
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
nice tone here,btw.
I agree with Erik,I´m not downloading official released stuff because I´m probably as childish...
Same here, in fact I've had stuff on CDr recorded from the music library stock or friends and then gone out and bought the originals and then passed the Cdr on to someone else to check out.....................
I met a woman and she told me...."well baby...... well the blues ain't bad"...........
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-18 14:19 by EddieByword.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
Redhotcarpet
()
Date: July 18, 2012 14:58
I think bootlegging the oldfashion style is gone, aint it? I mean making a copy of something and then sell it, which is piracy, an act of making money. Sharing is something else. If I want to see a movie and it's possible to download it I'll download it or think about it and then buy the dvd if it's a special film, a classic. Why buy trash?
Space on the computer is another thing. I mean how many external HD:s do you want to fill with movies? None I think. What if it breaks? Then you need a external copy. And that's where the minimalistic (well) DVD is a winner. You have the film, yes you need space in your home but at the same time you wanna save other things on your computer, pictures, short films, not hundreds of films. The DVD is pretty thin and as long as people have TV:s and dvd players (not for long though) you want to get the dvd, sit down in the couch, and watch the film in the living room. As long as that little ritual (and the TV) is important to people, the social act of seeing a film in the living room, theres a market for DVD:s.
Space on the computer is another thing. I mean how many external HD:s do you want to fill with movies? None I think. What if it breaks? Then you need a external copy. And that's where the minimalistic (well) DVD is a winner. You have the film, yes you need space in your home but at the same time you wanna save other things on your computer, pictures, short films, not hundreds of films. The DVD is pretty thin and as long as people have TV:s and dvd players (not for long though) you want to get the dvd, sit down in the couch, and watch the film in the living room. As long as that little ritual (and the TV) is important to people, the social act of seeing a film in the living room, theres a market for DVD:s.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
HighwireC
()
Date: July 18, 2012 15:06
Quote
Redhotcarpet
I think bootlegging the oldfashion style is gone, aint it? I mean making a copy of something and then sell it, which is piracy, an act of making money. Sharing is something else. If I want to see a movie and it's possible to download it I'll download it or think about it and then buy the dvd if it's a special film, a classic. Why buy trash?
Space on the computer is another thing. I mean how many external HD:s do you want to fill with movies? None I think. What if it breaks? Then you need a external copy. And that's where the minimalistic (well) DVD is a winner. You have the film, yes you need space in your home but at the same time you wanna save other things on your computer, pictures, short films, not hundreds of films. The DVD is pretty thin and as long as people have TV:s and dvd players (not for long though) you want to get the dvd, sit down in the couch, and watch the film in the living room. As long as that little ritual (and the TV) is important to people, the social act of seeing a film in the living room, theres a market for DVD:s.
Nice thoughts. But you'll have to change the law to make such filesharing legal ...
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
ROPENI
()
Date: July 18, 2012 15:17
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
Hi Erik,ur point is taken,but the fact that you may be an "artist" doesn't excuse insulting a person,just cause that "artist" has different opinion. As far as downloading and sharing as some have pointed out, in a very strict legal sense it is illegal,it doesn't matter whether the recording is official or not,the song belongs to whoever wrote it,and we take them and don't pay for it,having said,l do it and l also shared my recordings with others here. l honestly have no problem with doing that,and l think 99.9% of the other folks here do the same,someone wants to call it stealing,that is their prerogative,l don't agree with that definition...
"No Dope Smoking,No Beer Sold After 12 oclock"
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
HighwireC
()
Date: July 18, 2012 15:34
Quote
ROPENI
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
Hi Erik,ur point is taken,but the fact that you may be an "artist" doesn't excuse insulting a person,just cause that "artist" has different opinion. As far as downloading and sharing as some have pointed out, in a very strict legal sense it is illegal,it doesn't matter whether the recording is official or not,the song belongs to whoever wrote it,and we take them and don't pay for it,having said,l do it and l also shared my recordings with others here. l honestly have no problem with doing that,and l think 99.9% of the other folks here do the same,someone wants to call it stealing,that is their prerogative,l don't agree with that definition...
But the law says: it's stealing!
and btw.: Me, I'm not a saint, as said many times on IORR ...
but: I find it very careless to say: Filesharing/downloading illegal stuff will be legal ...
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
Erik_Snow
()
Date: July 18, 2012 15:38
Quote
ROPENI
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
Hi Erik,ur point is taken,but the fact that you may be an "artist" doesn't excuse insulting a person,just cause that "artist" has different opinion. As far as downloading and sharing as some have pointed out, in a very strict legal sense it is illegal,it doesn't matter whether the recording is official or not,the song belongs to whoever wrote it,and we take them and don't pay for it,having said,l do it and l also shared my recordings with others here. l honestly have no problem with doing that,and l think 99.9% of the other folks here do the same,someone wants to call it stealing,that is their prerogative,l don't agree with that definition...
True, Ropeni. James, the artist, owe you an apology, but you probably won't get it. These artists always let their fame go to their head
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
ROPENI
()
Date: July 18, 2012 15:46
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Quote
Erik_Snow
Quote
ROPENI
Look ASS--LE,l gave my honest opinion,l clearly stated that l respected those that don't think like l do,so who the fock r u to call me stupid cause you disaagree with my position?Quote
jamesfdouglas
Quote
ROPENI
With all due respect to those that disagree,l think downloading music from the net is fine with me,for much too long the record companies,have been ripping off the public,with their cd prices,etc,and lets not even go into how some bands take advantage of their public by charging $400 and up for a seat in a concert,so its Karma and now its time for them to suffer...
So it's okay to steal from the artist?
The music business - is a business. You have the choice to buy CDs and tickets, or not.
But in your case you choose to steal, and then justify it to yourself.
Brilliant.
"now it's time for them to suffer"... wow.
I really hope someone steals something from you, especially something directly that effects YOUR income.
Idiot.
James is an "artist", which is why he's biased
Concerning the thread here - I don't think there anything at all wrong with downloading unofficial (audience) recordings, of course. When it comes to official albums.....well, there's no need in talking about "ethics" here - we're not talking life and death. If you want to be ethical; send money to somebody who needs money - and do what you want when it comes to downloading/purchasing music, which is just the topping of cake our "comfort zone" for us Americans/Europeans; us who has everything allready. All in all it's just a matter of what "you prefer" ; when it comes to downloading/purchasing. I actually don't download much official stuff. But that's just because I'm childish enough to want the booklet/artwork etc.
Hi Erik,ur point is taken,but the fact that you may be an "artist" doesn't excuse insulting a person,just cause that "artist" has different opinion. As far as downloading and sharing as some have pointed out, in a very strict legal sense it is illegal,it doesn't matter whether the recording is official or not,the song belongs to whoever wrote it,and we take them and don't pay for it,having said,l do it and l also shared my recordings with others here. l honestly have no problem with doing that,and l think 99.9% of the other folks here do the same,someone wants to call it stealing,that is their prerogative,l don't agree with that definition...
True, Ropeni. James, the artist, owe you an apology, but you probably won't get it. These artists always let their fame go to their head
Erik,you may be right
"No Dope Smoking,No Beer Sold After 12 oclock"
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
cowboytoast
()
Date: July 18, 2012 15:47
seeing as i used to save my school lunch money when i was a kid to buy records at the end of the week and i was 'rewarded' with stuff like "Winning Ugly"...i couldn't care less....the way i see it...they owe ME money for that alone...
as far as bootlegs go...it's the same argument as always...the person that is really into the band is going to buy the official stuff regardless...so they get paid...hell i bought "A BIgger Bang" on vinyl after i bought the cd and KNEW it wasn't any good...because i am a geek fan...
on another note...people at work were talking about seeing stuff about the Stones anniversary...these are just normal people that like to 'rock out and go to concerts'...the people that can afford a $300 ticket or they get the corporate ones...other than Mick & Keith they have no clue who the other guys in the band are...but they are going to go see them...
in essence...Mick knows his audience...this is why we get "Hot Rocks Live" every tour...it kinda bums me out...
as far as bootlegs go...it's the same argument as always...the person that is really into the band is going to buy the official stuff regardless...so they get paid...hell i bought "A BIgger Bang" on vinyl after i bought the cd and KNEW it wasn't any good...because i am a geek fan...
on another note...people at work were talking about seeing stuff about the Stones anniversary...these are just normal people that like to 'rock out and go to concerts'...the people that can afford a $300 ticket or they get the corporate ones...other than Mick & Keith they have no clue who the other guys in the band are...but they are going to go see them...
in essence...Mick knows his audience...this is why we get "Hot Rocks Live" every tour...it kinda bums me out...
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
andrewt
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:00
I must also admit that I have snuck into concerts without paying (in my younger days, of course). I even pulled off the "backwards walk" to make it look like I was already in the venue and leaving instead of sidling in.
(George Thorogood at the House Of Blues, New Orleans, 1999)
And once I went throught the Kitchen at the El Mocambo and up the back stairs, jimmy-ed the fire door open to sneak into to see Albert Collins (1992). Mea Culpa!
(George Thorogood at the House Of Blues, New Orleans, 1999)
And once I went throught the Kitchen at the El Mocambo and up the back stairs, jimmy-ed the fire door open to sneak into to see Albert Collins (1992). Mea Culpa!
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:10
I make a CD of the Stones. From the albums I own. It doesn't matter if I play it at home, in my truck or give it to a friend.
Right?
Right. I own the records. It's a copy. No different than making a tape back in the day.
Illegally downloading though...
What if it's something that's technically out of print but you can only get it, illegally, as a MP3? That's not exactly the full song, right? Is that different?
If I could go into Home Depot and just take what I wanted without paying for it I'd be one happy guy. Alas, that would be stealing and it would make me a crook because I didn't pay for it. I'm pretty sure I'd go to jail.
Somehow music and movies are the only thing that that can happen with and people are OK with it. Why not just buy the record? How can people bitch about the cost of CDs yet will pay hundreds or even thousands for a stupid concert ticket?
Right?
Right. I own the records. It's a copy. No different than making a tape back in the day.
Illegally downloading though...
What if it's something that's technically out of print but you can only get it, illegally, as a MP3? That's not exactly the full song, right? Is that different?
If I could go into Home Depot and just take what I wanted without paying for it I'd be one happy guy. Alas, that would be stealing and it would make me a crook because I didn't pay for it. I'm pretty sure I'd go to jail.
Somehow music and movies are the only thing that that can happen with and people are OK with it. Why not just buy the record? How can people bitch about the cost of CDs yet will pay hundreds or even thousands for a stupid concert ticket?
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:15
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Quote
Lorenz
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
So you believe it is shit that the industry is too slow? It's the truth, deal with it, it already happened. So you think it's (only) the young and the dumb that download music now? Guess what, they young will be the ones who will shape our future.
"It's the truth, deal with it"? Hey Lorenz, my livliehood doesn't depend on me having to "deal with it". You toss that off as if it's so easy. You obviously have nothing to lose. So based on that, you're OK with stealing. You have no morals for the art. Great.
Congratulations. It has nothing to do with how slow the industry is. "It" is what it is, true, but the fact that the industry has not figured it out does not make it OK for stealing music. If the drive thru was too slow for you, does that make it OK to just go into the store and steal what you were going to buy because it's quicker? According to what you just said, yes.
How you can figue that to be OK is beyond me. Be happy in your stealing though. It's only your business, not mine.
I don't understand what happened there. The quoting. Something got screwed up.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
dcba
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:18
The last Cd I wanted to buy :
[www.rhino.com]
In the end I didn't and I DLed a bunch of FLAC files off Demonoid.
Why? Because Rhino was not even able to Master the tape of this show at the right speed (it runs too fast).
Otoh the "pirate" version upped at Demonoid has been speed-corrected and is dead-on pitch-wise.
So in the end those who went the lawful way (buying the CD) are the losers and those who DL it get a better product... Amazing huh!
[www.rhino.com]
In the end I didn't and I DLed a bunch of FLAC files off Demonoid.
Why? Because Rhino was not even able to Master the tape of this show at the right speed (it runs too fast).
Otoh the "pirate" version upped at Demonoid has been speed-corrected and is dead-on pitch-wise.
So in the end those who went the lawful way (buying the CD) are the losers and those who DL it get a better product... Amazing huh!
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:19
Quote
StonesTod
it ain't STEALING! it's illegal downloading and copyright infringement! jeez...i can't believe it's that hard to understand....
Why? Isn't it a 'might as well be the same' then? If you don't have it and you get it by illegal download...then you have it. Which means you "own" it, without paying for it.
Right? Or is it like a STD - you get it, you have it, you pass it on, everyone's happy! You're sharing!
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:22
as lorenz correctly stated, stealing is when i take something that's not mine away from someone. now i have it and "someone" doesn't. call it anything else you like, but filesharing ain't stealing by most people's definition.
Re: OT: Opinions about sharing/downloading
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: July 18, 2012 18:25
Quote
StonesTod
as lorenz correctly stated, stealing is when i take something that's not mine away from someone. now i have it and "someone" doesn't. call it anything else you like, but filesharing ain't stealing by most people's definition.
So illegally downloading is not stealing, it's a suspended form of borrowing. Shouldn't the artist make some money for the work though? Studios aren't cheap.
So...if I rob a bank, it's not stealing because...the people willingly put "their" money in the bank.
Right!?
Sorry, only registered users may post in this forum.
Online Users
6s7s9s , Alfonz , beepee2 , BGC , chrisvw , EddieByword , Fiji Jim , FrankG , Godxofxrock9 , Hanns Rainsch , IsakSun , Jalby , jpasc95 , keith56 , Klairos , LongBeachArena72 , loog droog , Mel Belli , MizzAmandaJonez , Monkeytonkman , mr edward , Mr Jimmy , MRJIMMMY , Munichhilton , phelge , Quique-stone , Rank Stranger , RawIguanaCologne , robbiebobbob , rollingon , Ruskafarian , SKILLS , skullring72 , TheBlockbuster , tomcasagranda , Tonyz , VoodooAllie , Witness
Guests:
197
Record Number of Users:
62
on May 24, 2013 23:32
Record Number of Guests:
247
on May 24, 2013 21:56
