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It wasnt. The notion that was always poo-poohed was the theory that they'd play one-offs.
I personally dont think that any tour will be longer than about 50-60 concerts. Certainly the days of 120-140 date concert tours are over.
Either a series of large scale one night stands or a few extended runs in select cities.
unless of course there are photos, or video.
A fall tour for autumn of 2013 is already set and it's called the Done Deal tour? It's going to be between Sept 22 and Dec 21 only? That makes sense for the amount of shows.
Extended run in a city. Ha ha. For them, that's 2 shows.
Thanks Gazza, my comments in bold above. In essence I agree with you...the only thing I think helping the Wyman situation, would be:
1. A big pay day for him,
2. Lot's of extra fan attention...might miss the hoopla
3. It's been 20 years since he's left. Might be feeling more nostalgic now. I also think Keith is showing him much more respect, which doesn't hurt.
I would say,same thing in Finland,and i think it is same situation in most of the countries around the globe.
You've obviously missed the fact that the Marquee closed years ago, for starters.
You seriously believe the Stones are going to crank up their touring machine again, rehearse for weeks and then play hardly anything but tiny clubs or 3,000 capacity theatres?
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
They are actually thinking about billing this amount per ticket for multiple 1-song shows on the same day, in tiny venues. It will be called the Jukebox tour. Get to the venue, show your ticket and wristband, vote for a single song among 50, go to your seat, the Stones come out to play the song with most votes, applause, get out off the venue, onto the next show with another bunch of 3000...
it's just a feeling that makes me think they don't want or can't (because of Keith or Charlie ?) play big stadiums like they used to.
I hope I'm wrong !
Isn't the real question at what point would they make a profit? Assuming they play no more than 50-60 concerts (and assuming it's from October-November) I don't see reasonably priced tickets for arena shows being possible.
In New York for example, only Citi Field would be available in October (since the NY Yankees will be playing baseball in the post season). Los Angeles could also have a Stadium show. Of course that would add to the expense of building and outdoor stage.
As was previously mentioned, a week's residency in any city would be no more than 3 or 4 shows.
I remember back in '75 they announced the TOTA on May 3 and the tour started 1 month after. That would mean an announcement wouldn't come until early September.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-16 18:54 by Sam Spade.
And a picture of a big stage in the background - then a really discount tour, that will reach break-even already at the first night. New consert-economics would be launched by Stones, magic from the one-semester LSE student ;o)
Why would someone's age or health prevent them from playing a guitar in a stadium, but not in a theatre? Or playing the drums? Its the same thing
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Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
ryanpow
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Date: July 16, 2012 03:20
I remember up until probably last year or even earlier this year, whenever the idea of a scaled down tour with a limited amount of shows was brought up that was always met with "the stones won't do anything unless its on a big scale, it would have to be a major tour, ect." Now the talk has changed.
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Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: July 16, 2012 03:32
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ryanpow
I remember up until probably last year or even earlier this year, whenever the idea of a scaled down tour with a limited amount of shows was brought up that was always met with "the stones won't do anything unless its on a big scale, it would have to be a major tour, ect." Now the talk has changed.
It wasnt. The notion that was always poo-poohed was the theory that they'd play one-offs.
I personally dont think that any tour will be longer than about 50-60 concerts. Certainly the days of 120-140 date concert tours are over.
Either a series of large scale one night stands or a few extended runs in select cities.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 16, 2012 04:54
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StonesTod
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chriseganstar
Chris & Pam
Satisfied since 1976
what you do in the privacy of your own home is not of interest here...
unless of course there are photos, or video.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
sweetcharmedlife
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Date: July 16, 2012 04:56
Done deal.Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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SwayStones
Wouldn't they had make already an anouncement if they were to tour next autumn?
Why announce a fall tour for autum of 2013 NOW?
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 16, 2012 05:05
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Harm
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Gazza
b) I dont think the Stones can sell out multiple nights in Euro arenas (or anywhere for that matter) unless they drastically change their ticket pricing structure.
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Madonna only sold 35.000 tickets out of the 60.000 or so last Thursday in Brussels due th high ticket prices. I even won two tickets but gave them away of course..
You sir, have done no Harm to your dignity!
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Date: July 16, 2012 05:12
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sweetcharmedlife
Done deal.Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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SwayStones
Wouldn't they had make already an anouncement if they were to tour next autumn?
Why announce a fall tour for autumn of 2013 NOW?
A fall tour for autumn of 2013 is already set and it's called the Done Deal tour? It's going to be between Sept 22 and Dec 21 only? That makes sense for the amount of shows.
Extended run in a city. Ha ha. For them, that's 2 shows.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
treaclefingers
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Date: July 16, 2012 05:14
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Gazza
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treaclefingers
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Gazza
I'd be surprised if any shows in 2012 are anywhere but North America.
Is that because of the whole weather issue? Does Wyman take a steam ship to New York in that case, or is he out?
a) They cant play football stadia in Europe in winter/autumn. Venues not available and its also too cold. Half of North America would be out for the same reason. Stands to reason
b) I dont think the Stones can sell out multiple nights in Euro arenas (or anywhere for that matter) unless they drastically change their ticket pricing structure. They'll do well in Canada which has avoided much of the economic malaise so far...I can't imagine what the situation is in Europe right now.
c) They havent played the US since 2006. Its America's turn. An American tour start also makes more sense in terms of finance and media impact. They do seem to be doing better than Europe at the moment
d) Whilst I admit this is just personal opinion and I'm not privy to any inside info confirming it, I'd personally be amazed if any sustained period of touring will include either Wyman or Taylor in anything more than the occasional cameo/guest appearance. I'd love to be wrong, but I think a lot of people are letting their fantasies override their sense of reality. I honestly can't see Bill not just flying TO the US, but then flying AROUND the US every few days on a touring schedule. But to this end, if Wyman simply 'got' to the US, let's say by ship, and they did extended residencies in a few centres, he could simply 'train' around the country. Not saying it would happen, but as they are not likely to go out on an actual tour, as before, it is far more likely than before that Wyman could in fact 'gig' in North America
Thanks Gazza, my comments in bold above. In essence I agree with you...the only thing I think helping the Wyman situation, would be:
1. A big pay day for him,
2. Lot's of extra fan attention...might miss the hoopla
3. It's been 20 years since he's left. Might be feeling more nostalgic now. I also think Keith is showing him much more respect, which doesn't hurt.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
jpasc95
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Date: July 16, 2012 06:06
if they really "tour", there will be no stadiums, just small venues, maybe arenas, important places that marked their carreer, New-York (MSG ?), Chicago, London (Marquee), Paris (Olympia), etc etc...
Maybe I missed something but nothing about a new album ?
Maybe I missed something but nothing about a new album ?
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
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Date: July 16, 2012 06:07
Yeah.
And Sweetcharmed can't tell the difference between "This Autumn" and "next autumn".
And Sweetcharmed can't tell the difference between "This Autumn" and "next autumn".
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
mandu
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Date: July 16, 2012 08:37
I hope they play in HongKong or mainland China again
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Feel The Fear
And Do It Anyway
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Stoneage
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Date: July 16, 2012 08:53
I don't know about the situation in the rest of Europe but in Sweden we now have a so called 3/4 society (after years of neoliberalism (right-wing politics). And the 3/4 are pretty well-off. So if the Stones played here there would be no problem selling out the concerts (even multiple with high ticket prices). It's the left behind 1/4 that suffers. But they were not plausible concert-goers to begin with. If you can't afford paying your monthly bills going to concerts won't be your first priority.
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Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
jpasc95
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Date: July 16, 2012 10:10
In France, we'd been having the right-wing for ten years on.
Very simple and expected, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
And the middle class seems to be preferring to spare than to consume.
So, middle class fans will have to spare for a few months to buy tickets
Very simple and expected, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
And the middle class seems to be preferring to spare than to consume.
So, middle class fans will have to spare for a few months to buy tickets
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
marko
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Date: July 16, 2012 10:28
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jpasc95
In France, we'd been having the right-wing for ten years on.
Very simple and expected, the rich got richer and the poor got poorer.
And the middle class seems to be preferring to spare than to consume.
So, middle class fans will have to spare for a few months to buy tickets
I would say,same thing in Finland,and i think it is same situation in most of the countries around the globe.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: July 16, 2012 12:04
Why not arenas in EU.
O2 London doesn't have any shows scheduled November 15 to 30, so that would be perfect for some 3-5 shows.
Other arenas do have a one week free schedule here and there September - December.
I guess everything is possible, and if something already planned "Mick saying Stones Rolling Out this autumn", then the booking is already made, but just not plotted into the schedule of fx. O2 London.
Be ready to buy tickets somewhere in Europe soon.
)
O2 London doesn't have any shows scheduled November 15 to 30, so that would be perfect for some 3-5 shows.
Other arenas do have a one week free schedule here and there September - December.
I guess everything is possible, and if something already planned "Mick saying Stones Rolling Out this autumn", then the booking is already made, but just not plotted into the schedule of fx. O2 London.
Be ready to buy tickets somewhere in Europe soon.
)Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: July 16, 2012 12:20
Quote
jpasc95
if they really "tour", there will be no stadiums, just small venues, maybe arenas, important places that marked their carreer, New-York (MSG ?), Chicago, London (Marquee), Paris (Olympia), etc etc...
Maybe I missed something but nothing about a new album ?
You've obviously missed the fact that the Marquee closed years ago, for starters.
You seriously believe the Stones are going to crank up their touring machine again, rehearse for weeks and then play hardly anything but tiny clubs or 3,000 capacity theatres?
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Grison
()
Date: July 16, 2012 12:31
If they are Rolling out with Bill Wyman in Fall there might be a friction with the Bill Wamyn tour. Ticketcorner in Switzerland sells tickets for his concert in Zürich Oct. 15th.
So we will see what happens. If Bill Wyman is on the bass list then surely they will be any big tour as it sounds also from Charlie.
So we will see what happens. If Bill Wyman is on the bass list then surely they will be any big tour as it sounds also from Charlie.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
corriecas
()
Date: July 16, 2012 12:52
So....i guess ticketsales will start pretty soon, if they will play in October,november..
I guess the price will be E 160,/ and up
Hope they will play the Ziggo drome in Amsterdam, capacity 16000.
jeroen
I guess the price will be E 160,/ and up
Hope they will play the Ziggo drome in Amsterdam, capacity 16000.
jeroen
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
gwen
()
Date: July 16, 2012 14:28
Quote
Gazza
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
They are actually thinking about billing this amount per ticket for multiple 1-song shows on the same day, in tiny venues. It will be called the Jukebox tour. Get to the venue, show your ticket and wristband, vote for a single song among 50, go to your seat, the Stones come out to play the song with most votes, applause, get out off the venue, onto the next show with another bunch of 3000...
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: July 16, 2012 14:32
Combined with karaoke - for every song a person from the audience sings, there will be a £ 2.000 discount ;o)Quote
gwen
Quote
Gazza
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
They are actually thinking about billing this amount per ticket for multiple 1-song shows on the same day, in tiny venues. It will be called the Jukebox tour. Get to the venue, show your ticket and wristband, vote for a single song among 50, go to your seat, the Stones come out to play the song with most votes, applause, get out off the venue, onto the next show with another bunch of 3000...
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
mitchflorida1
()
Date: July 16, 2012 15:28
That sounds good. They can just mime to a pre-recorded tape. In and out, dont even have to set up instruments.
None of this is going to happen, because Mick is most likely going to be a judge on America Idol, and he can't be at two places at the same time.
None of this is going to happen, because Mick is most likely going to be a judge on America Idol, and he can't be at two places at the same time.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
jpasc95
()
Date: July 16, 2012 16:07
I totally forgot that the Marquee was closed (in 2008).Quote
Gazza
Quote
jpasc95
if they really "tour", there will be no stadiums, just small venues, maybe arenas, important places that marked their carreer, New-York (MSG ?), Chicago, London (Marquee), Paris (Olympia), etc etc...
Maybe I missed something but nothing about a new album ?
You've obviously missed the fact that the Marquee closed years ago, for starters.
You seriously believe the Stones are going to crank up their touring machine again, rehearse for weeks and then play hardly anything but tiny clubs or 3,000 capacity theatres?
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
it's just a feeling that makes me think they don't want or can't (because of Keith or Charlie ?) play big stadiums like they used to.
I hope I'm wrong !
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Sam Spade
()
Date: July 16, 2012 16:08
Quote
Gazza
I personally dont think that any tour will be longer than about 50-60 concerts. Certainly the days of 120-140 date concert tours are over.
Either a series of large scale one night stands or a few extended runs in select cities.
Isn't the real question at what point would they make a profit? Assuming they play no more than 50-60 concerts (and assuming it's from October-November) I don't see reasonably priced tickets for arena shows being possible.
In New York for example, only Citi Field would be available in October (since the NY Yankees will be playing baseball in the post season). Los Angeles could also have a Stadium show. Of course that would add to the expense of building and outdoor stage.
As was previously mentioned, a week's residency in any city would be no more than 3 or 4 shows.
I remember back in '75 they announced the TOTA on May 3 and the tour started 1 month after. That would mean an announcement wouldn't come until early September.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-16 18:54 by Sam Spade.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
mtaylor
()
Date: July 16, 2012 16:27
Quote
mitchflorida1
That sounds good. They can just mime to a pre-recorded tape. In and out, dont even have to set up instruments.
None of this is going to happen, because Mick is most likely going to be a judge on America Idol, and he can't be at two places at the same time.
And a picture of a big stage in the background - then a really discount tour, that will reach break-even already at the first night. New consert-economics would be launched by Stones, magic from the one-semester LSE student ;o)
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Grison
()
Date: July 16, 2012 16:30
nevertheless I updated my accounts in the different ticketstores in different countries. You never know...
Until recently I felt very confident that the last show has been 5 years ago. Meanwhile I believe that there will be some touring.
Despite economics this will be a highprice Las Vegas tour. Even if the Stones might not earn a fortune it will be Nation Wide's dictatorship on prices with special tickets incl. silly gadgets and if lucky accommodation.
Until recently I felt very confident that the last show has been 5 years ago. Meanwhile I believe that there will be some touring.
Despite economics this will be a highprice Las Vegas tour. Even if the Stones might not earn a fortune it will be Nation Wide's dictatorship on prices with special tickets incl. silly gadgets and if lucky accommodation.
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: July 16, 2012 18:13
Quote
jpasc95
I totally forgot that the Marquee was closed (in 2008).Quote
Gazza
Quote
jpasc95
if they really "tour", there will be no stadiums, just small venues, maybe arenas, important places that marked their carreer, New-York (MSG ?), Chicago, London (Marquee), Paris (Olympia), etc etc...
Maybe I missed something but nothing about a new album ?
You've obviously missed the fact that the Marquee closed years ago, for starters.
You seriously believe the Stones are going to crank up their touring machine again, rehearse for weeks and then play hardly anything but tiny clubs or 3,000 capacity theatres?
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
it's just a feeling that makes me think they don't want or can't (because of Keith or Charlie ?) play big stadiums like they used to.
I hope I'm wrong !
Why would someone's age or health prevent them from playing a guitar in a stadium, but not in a theatre? Or playing the drums? Its the same thing
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
jpasc95
()
Date: July 16, 2012 18:28
ok we'll wait and see !Quote
Gazza
Quote
jpasc95
I totally forgot that the Marquee was closed (in 2008).Quote
Gazza
Quote
jpasc95
if they really "tour", there will be no stadiums, just small venues, maybe arenas, important places that marked their carreer, New-York (MSG ?), Chicago, London (Marquee), Paris (Olympia), etc etc...
Maybe I missed something but nothing about a new album ?
You've obviously missed the fact that the Marquee closed years ago, for starters.
You seriously believe the Stones are going to crank up their touring machine again, rehearse for weeks and then play hardly anything but tiny clubs or 3,000 capacity theatres?
What are they going to charge for tickets for that to make it worth their while? £10,000?
it's just a feeling that makes me think they don't want or can't (because of Keith or Charlie ?) play big stadiums like they used to.
I hope I'm wrong !
Why would someone's age or health prevent them from playing a guitar in a stadium, but not in a theatre? Or playing the drums? Its the same thing
Re: Rolling Out "This Autumn" Says Jagger
Posted by:
Spud
()
Date: July 16, 2012 18:28
I wouldn't have any problem with Stadiums.
What are my hopes ?
I suspect that they are now past all that running around a 100 yard wide stage.
I hope that with this distraction [and all the associated "shape throwing" & posing] rendered redundant, they might then pay a bit more attention to playing !
Modern large screen technology could easily allow an intimate small stage setup to work in a stadium. It's just like a microscope...the bigger the venue, the more you magnify the subject.
...and Keith always said that "...Mick can work a postage stamp "
I still believe that they have some great shows left in them...if they get it right.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-16 18:54 by Spud.
What are my hopes ?
I suspect that they are now past all that running around a 100 yard wide stage.
I hope that with this distraction [and all the associated "shape throwing" & posing] rendered redundant, they might then pay a bit more attention to playing !
Modern large screen technology could easily allow an intimate small stage setup to work in a stadium. It's just like a microscope...the bigger the venue, the more you magnify the subject.
...and Keith always said that "...Mick can work a postage stamp "
I still believe that they have some great shows left in them...if they get it right.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-16 18:54 by Spud.
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