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ROCKMAN
aah, don't worry, man! In memory we trust..
- Doxa
........................... THE ROLLING STONES 50
ROCKMAN
Rockman´s gems are always of interest...
Glad I got it at home.
Not so strange, really. Kind of a crappy thread title that I should have put more thought into--I think I'll change it... there. Whoops, didn't work. Just how does one change a thread title? There really isn't any new information in the new book, aside from Charlie apparently saying he's not up for touring, which is posted to better effect on another thread here. Kind of like the unofficial announcement of the official retirement announcement to come...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-09 00:16 by stonesnow.
No, you're not
Keep On Rolling
ROCKMAN
ok. but the strain and tension about all of this drama is wearing me out. and i'm not eating particularly well....
No more big tours seems at least to be the beginning of the end. The reason the Stones have been so popular in latter decades is not for their new albums post-Some Girls, but for the juggernaut and spectacle of their stadium-filling tours with the record-breaking numbers--which Charlie seems to be adamantly putting the kibash on. They have made their latter-day reputation through the forcefulness of their live shows, but now they will not reach hardly any of their fans without their global touring. The Stones will thus seem something distant, something no longer to be celebrated in person. Charlie is quitting the touring. Keith wants to tour, Ronnie wants to tour, Mick wouldn't mind the payday, but Charlie is quitting the one thing that still makes the Stones a premium concert draw around the world. With his refusal to tour, we can now think of them as semiretired, but there should be some fine reissues and official bootlegs along the way. Perhaps they'll strike a deal with ABKCO and refurbish their 60s catalog with new remastering and extra tracks. But of course, Charlie could always change his mind...
It's going to happen period, the end of the tours. If it's now, fine. If it was the end of August 2007, fine. Who the hell can blame Charlie? Nobody. They've done beyond enough.
He's said nothing of the sort. Not wanting to 'tour for two years' doesnt mean 'refusing to tour'.
This has been done to death a million times.
Shirley Watts summed it up better than anyone some years ago by saying that whilst Charlie doesnt enjoy being away from home for long spells, he wouldnt quit the band or be the one to end it as he'd never want to let Mick and Keith down.
The first member of the band to 'quit' - to answer your question - will be whichever one of them dies first.
I very much doubt ANY of them wants to spend another couple of years doing a tour.
Then I've got a better idea--how about 2 months instead of 2 years? That way, they could tour every year if they chose. If I were their promoter, I would suggest a scaling-back option. They've got a few good years left of playing in them. Why not 2 months on the road and 10 months off? It's a shame that in latter days certain bands have gotten locked into touring a single album for years on end. Too much live playing curtails a musician's creativity. How long did the Some Girls tour take? Only months, as opposed to years. If they'd toured Let It Bleed the way they toured ABB, there would have been no Sticky Fingers and Probably no Exile--no way would they have made all those great albums year after year with the grueling grind of a single years-long tour.
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Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: July 8, 2012 09:29
www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2170130/The-Rolling-Stones-50-years-gig-famous-band-world-tell-story.html
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-09 00:52 by stonesnow.
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: July 8, 2012 10:20
You can pretty much read the end of the Rolling Stones as we've known them in these latter-day interviews. Keith still talks about it in the present tense as if the ABB tour is still going on, Mick is mystified by the RS' popularity and now sees it as a museum piece, and Charlie certainly doesn't want another part of any new RS venture. Keith will be the last one to hang on to the dream, and he will sit inert in his home in CT and drink and drug his mind to the glory days and he will die age 73, sometime in 2017, and even Bill Wyman will outlive him. [Imagine Bill some night in 2018, standing over Keef's grave with his metal detector, trolling for those metal rods in Keef's head! A real archaeological find for a guy like BW!]
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 8, 2012 10:53
........................... THE ROLLING STONES 50
ROCKMANRe: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: July 8, 2012 10:59
Thanks, stonesnow.
It looks like these interviews are picked up from the upcoming book. A knd of stuff we would expect from them, that is, ACCORDING TO THE ROLLING STONES, VOL 2. Not that I expect anything else.
Charlie is straight and realistic about the touring possibilities, Mick captures the punk era mighty fine and is able to laugh at himself (James Brown). Keith, typically, lives in his own bubble, and his bs that might entertain some, but I have had enough of that.
- Doxa
It looks like these interviews are picked up from the upcoming book. A knd of stuff we would expect from them, that is, ACCORDING TO THE ROLLING STONES, VOL 2. Not that I expect anything else.
Charlie is straight and realistic about the touring possibilities, Mick captures the punk era mighty fine and is able to laugh at himself (James Brown). Keith, typically, lives in his own bubble, and his bs that might entertain some, but I have had enough of that.
- Doxa
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
()
Date: July 8, 2012 11:09
Thanks for posting, stonesnow
Keep On Rolling
Keep On Rolling
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: July 8, 2012 11:10
Thanks Rockman!
"Ten yaers of working, forty years of hanging about"
Funny how all of them, including and perhaps especially Charlie Watts, are like caricatures, and acting faithfully according to a role that was created damn long ago. I think that is the "professionalism" Charlie is talking about and how they respect their "history", "heritage" and "tradition". They need to act like the people expect them to act. That's why they have to play "Satisfaction every night. That's why Charlie Watts acts god ol' Charlie Watts, and recicles his old catchy one-liners.
On with the show!
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-08 11:14 by Doxa.
"Ten yaers of working, forty years of hanging about"
Funny how all of them, including and perhaps especially Charlie Watts, are like caricatures, and acting faithfully according to a role that was created damn long ago. I think that is the "professionalism" Charlie is talking about and how they respect their "history", "heritage" and "tradition". They need to act like the people expect them to act. That's why they have to play "Satisfaction every night. That's why Charlie Watts acts god ol' Charlie Watts, and recicles his old catchy one-liners.
On with the show!
- Doxa
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-08 11:14 by Doxa.
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 8, 2012 11:11
.... got the print this time Doxa ... got the print ....
ROCKMAN
ROCKMANRe: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: July 8, 2012 11:17
Quote
Rockman
.... got the print this time Doxa ... got the print ....
aah, don't worry, man! In memory we trust..
- Doxa
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 8, 2012 11:19
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ROCKMANRe: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
()
Date: July 8, 2012 11:46
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
21stcenturystones
()
Date: July 8, 2012 12:53
Charlie's was from the heart...Mick's was from his publicist
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
Doxa
()
Date: July 8, 2012 23:42
Strange, this thread , including Rockman's 'never ever seen before ' gems, doesn't seem to interest much people here...
- Doxa
- Doxa
Re: The press are gettin' ready... for the art gallery premier?
Posted by:
shortfatfanny
()
Date: July 8, 2012 23:54
Quote
Doxa
Strange, this thread , including Rockman's 'never ever seen before ' gems, doesn't seem to interest much people here...
- Doxa
Rockman´s gems are always of interest...
Glad I got it at home.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: July 9, 2012 00:14
Quote
Doxa
Strange, this thread , including Rockman's 'never ever seen before ' gems, doesn't seem to interest much people here...
- Doxa
Not so strange, really. Kind of a crappy thread title that I should have put more thought into--I think I'll change it... there. Whoops, didn't work. Just how does one change a thread title? There really isn't any new information in the new book, aside from Charlie apparently saying he's not up for touring, which is posted to better effect on another thread here. Kind of like the unofficial announcement of the official retirement announcement to come...
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-09 00:16 by stonesnow.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: July 9, 2012 00:58
Yes, there, did it! This should have been the thread title. Now that Charlie has publicly stated that he at least is not up for another tour, then if they do go out on the road, everyone will know he's not into it. He has said no one wants to be the first to quit and let the others down, but what if Charlie just can't soldier on anymore? In Shine A Light, you can see how exhausted he was after All Down The Line, and you can see that rock drumming is obviously not in his heart, compared with the joy he shows when playing in his jazz band. To be fair, Charlie has the most physically demanding job on stage after Mick, but has stated that he wouldn't mind doing a bit of playing as a way to "finish it off." So will it be Charlie as the first to finally say, enough?
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-09 01:16 by stonesnow.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 2012-07-09 01:16 by stonesnow.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:13
Not sure where you get will Charlie be the first to quit the Stones based on what he said in this book. He's always been saying things of that nature yet has never quit. OK so that's fair ground to wonder. But... I don't think Charlie is going to be the first to quit, just the first one to say - and really mean it finally - 'No more bloody long tours'.
Which is beginning to become clear is what has happened.
Which is beginning to become clear is what has happened.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
NICOS
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:19
No one will be the first to quit the Stones.......they just stop if it's time.......
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:19
i'm getting a little tired of the whole charlie routine...let's kick him out of the band already and be done with it.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
Rolling Hansie
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:23
Quote
StonesTod
i'm getting a little tired of the whole charlie routine
No, you're not
Keep On Rolling
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:26
ROCKMANRe: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
StonesTod
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:28
Quote
Rolling Hansie
Quote
StonesTod
i'm getting a little tired of the whole charlie routine
No, you're not
ok. but the strain and tension about all of this drama is wearing me out. and i'm not eating particularly well....
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:28
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Not sure where you get will Charlie be the first to quit the Stones based on what he said in this book. He's always been saying things of that nature yet has never quit. OK so that's fair ground to wonder. But... I don't think Charlie is going to be the first to quit, just the first one to say - and really mean it finally - 'No more bloody long tours'.
Which is beginning to become clear is what has happened.
No more big tours seems at least to be the beginning of the end. The reason the Stones have been so popular in latter decades is not for their new albums post-Some Girls, but for the juggernaut and spectacle of their stadium-filling tours with the record-breaking numbers--which Charlie seems to be adamantly putting the kibash on. They have made their latter-day reputation through the forcefulness of their live shows, but now they will not reach hardly any of their fans without their global touring. The Stones will thus seem something distant, something no longer to be celebrated in person. Charlie is quitting the touring. Keith wants to tour, Ronnie wants to tour, Mick wouldn't mind the payday, but Charlie is quitting the one thing that still makes the Stones a premium concert draw around the world. With his refusal to tour, we can now think of them as semiretired, but there should be some fine reissues and official bootlegs along the way. Perhaps they'll strike a deal with ABKCO and refurbish their 60s catalog with new remastering and extra tracks. But of course, Charlie could always change his mind...
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
NICOS
()
Date: July 9, 2012 01:30
Geat job Rockman thanks
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
24FPS
()
Date: July 9, 2012 02:16
Ronnie, inadvertantly, let on to how this could work. They don't need the spectacle, a cadre of back up singers and musicians, and 80 crew members. Just keep it simple with a nice video screen. No Security should have taught them something.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
()
Date: July 9, 2012 02:35
Quote
stonesnow
Quote
WeLoveToPlayTheBlues
Not sure where you get will Charlie be the first to quit the Stones based on what he said in this book. He's always been saying things of that nature yet has never quit. OK so that's fair ground to wonder. But... I don't think Charlie is going to be the first to quit, just the first one to say - and really mean it finally - 'No more bloody long tours'.
Which is beginning to become clear is what has happened.
No more big tours seems at least to be the beginning of the end. The reason the Stones have been so popular in latter decades is not for their new albums post-Some Girls, but for the juggernaut and spectacle of their stadium-filling tours with the record-breaking numbers--which Charlie seems to be adamantly putting the kibash on. They have made their latter-day reputation through the forcefulness of their live shows, but now they will not reach hardly any of their fans without their global touring. The Stones will thus seem something distant, something no longer to be celebrated in person. Charlie is quitting the touring. Keith wants to tour, Ronnie wants to tour, Mick wouldn't mind the payday, but Charlie is quitting the one thing that still makes the Stones a premium concert draw around the world. With his refusal to tour, we can now think of them as semiretired, but there should be some fine reissues and official bootlegs along the way. Perhaps they'll strike a deal with ABKCO and refurbish their 60s catalog with new remastering and extra tracks. But of course, Charlie could always change his mind...
It's going to happen period, the end of the tours. If it's now, fine. If it was the end of August 2007, fine. Who the hell can blame Charlie? Nobody. They've done beyond enough.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
kish_stoned
()
Date: July 9, 2012 04:38
isaw the book last week,not impressed,they could have done a better job,too many b/w photos and not enough colour photos,buy when it will be half price,only nice thing is the cover.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
Gazza
()
Date: July 9, 2012 04:48
Quote
stonesnow
Yes, there, did it! This should have been the thread title. Now that Charlie has publicly stated that he at least is not up for another tour, then if they do go out on the road, everyone will know he's not into it. He has said no one wants to be the first to quit and let the others down, but what if Charlie just can't soldier on anymore? In Shine A Light, you can see how exhausted he was after All Down The Line, and you can see that rock drumming is obviously not in his heart, compared with the joy he shows when playing in his jazz band. To be fair, Charlie has the most physically demanding job on stage after Mick, but has stated that he wouldn't mind doing a bit of playing as a way to "finish it off." So will it be Charlie as the first to finally say, enough?
He's said nothing of the sort. Not wanting to 'tour for two years' doesnt mean 'refusing to tour'.
This has been done to death a million times.
Shirley Watts summed it up better than anyone some years ago by saying that whilst Charlie doesnt enjoy being away from home for long spells, he wouldnt quit the band or be the one to end it as he'd never want to let Mick and Keith down.
The first member of the band to 'quit' - to answer your question - will be whichever one of them dies first.
I very much doubt ANY of them wants to spend another couple of years doing a tour.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
Rockman
()
Date: July 9, 2012 05:04
too many b/w photos and not enough colour photosb
.......Heck I thought those early b&ws were the best ....
ROCKMAN
.......Heck I thought those early b&ws were the best ....
ROCKMANRe: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
stonesnow
()
Date: July 9, 2012 05:29
Quote
Gazza
Quote
stonesnow
Yes, there, did it! This should have been the thread title. Now that Charlie has publicly stated that he at least is not up for another tour, then if they do go out on the road, everyone will know he's not into it. He has said no one wants to be the first to quit and let the others down, but what if Charlie just can't soldier on anymore? In Shine A Light, you can see how exhausted he was after All Down The Line, and you can see that rock drumming is obviously not in his heart, compared with the joy he shows when playing in his jazz band. To be fair, Charlie has the most physically demanding job on stage after Mick, but has stated that he wouldn't mind doing a bit of playing as a way to "finish it off." So will it be Charlie as the first to finally say, enough?
He's said nothing of the sort. Not wanting to 'tour for two years' doesnt mean 'refusing to tour'.
This has been done to death a million times.
Shirley Watts summed it up better than anyone some years ago by saying that whilst Charlie doesnt enjoy being away from home for long spells, he wouldnt quit the band or be the one to end it as he'd never want to let Mick and Keith down.
The first member of the band to 'quit' - to answer your question - will be whichever one of them dies first.
I very much doubt ANY of them wants to spend another couple of years doing a tour.
Then I've got a better idea--how about 2 months instead of 2 years? That way, they could tour every year if they chose. If I were their promoter, I would suggest a scaling-back option. They've got a few good years left of playing in them. Why not 2 months on the road and 10 months off? It's a shame that in latter days certain bands have gotten locked into touring a single album for years on end. Too much live playing curtails a musician's creativity. How long did the Some Girls tour take? Only months, as opposed to years. If they'd toured Let It Bleed the way they toured ABB, there would have been no Sticky Fingers and Probably no Exile--no way would they have made all those great albums year after year with the grueling grind of a single years-long tour.
Re: 50th anniversary book: Will Charlie be the first to quit Stones?
Posted by:
James Kirk
()
Date: July 9, 2012 05:36
At no point did Watts say he wouldn't tour. He said he didn't want to do massive two year tours. I think it's likely that the Stones will use McCartney's touring model going forward.
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