There is no way Axl Rose deserved the honor of being the world's greatest frontman! Ridiculous. Not even in the top 20! He is a hack and a terrible voice.

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who gives a shit some song was voted best song of the last century. doesn't make it the best its just an opinion. there is noting genius about the lyrics or arrangement.

The general public do

didn't the UK also recently vote axl rose greatest frontman of all time? maybe we should not pay much attention to lists the public in england create

And maybe pay more attention to what the geniuses on this forum say? puh-lease...

Axl Rose greatest frontman of all time? What rubbish. Ray Davies should be #1

ray davies should not be #1 but NME magazine which is a UK based pubication named rose the greatest frontman of all time not even 3 years ago. just shows lists and public polls are ridiculous. i listen more to what other musicians say

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There is no way Axl Rose deserved the honor of being the world's greatest frontman! Ridiculous. Not even in the top 20! He is a hack and a terrible voice.

shit he is top 10 but not #1

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ray davies should not be #1 but NME magazine which is a UK based pubication named rose the greatest frontman of all time not even 3 years ago. just shows lists and public polls are ridiculous. i listen more to what other musicians say

That's fine but how many musicians do you hear criticising The Beatles? Maybe The Stones but that's about it!

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ray davies should not be #1 but NME magazine which is a UK based pubication named rose the greatest frontman of all time not even 3 years ago. just shows lists and public polls are ridiculous. i listen more to what other musicians say

That's fine but how many musicians do you hear criticising The Beatles? Maybe The Stones but that's about it!

i didn't say i heard anyone bad moth the beatles. i just stated they are overrated. i tend to notice the most popular band from a music scene, (british invasion, thrash metal, hair metal, grunge, etc) are usually the band that tends to cater towards the general public and tries to make catchy radio songs on purpose.

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i didn't say i heard anyone bad moth the beatles. i just stated they are overrated. i tend to notice the most popular band from a music scene, (british invasion, thrash metal, hair metal, grunge, etc) are usually the band that tends to cater towards the general public and tries to make catchy radio songs on purpose.

The Beatles overrated? As musicians definitely. But surely not as song-writers. They seemed to write such "catchy radio songs" with ease.

Also you can see how (almost) every band holds The Beatles is such reverence. They were a hit-making machine.

But you know all this already...

I can easily think of 20 better singers than Axl Pose.

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I can easily think of 20 better singers than Axl Pose.

Sure but that's your opinion again. And it's "front-men" not "singers".

Anyway just look at Ritz '88 DVD and watch Axl in his prime.

Oh wait you hate Axl Pose

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I can easily think of 20 better singers than Axl Pose.

Sure but that's your opinion again. And it's "front-men" not "singers".

Anyway just look at Ritz '88 DVD and watch Axl in his prime.

Oh wait you hate Axl Pose

exactly the list was frontmen not singers. i too can name 20 singers better than axl and mick jagger pretty easily but thats not just the reason they were picked to front the band. you think ac/dc picked bon scott based purely on his voice?

Yeah it is personal opinion. But to me one of the most important aspects of being a good front man is a good voice. Without that it is senseless and a waste of time. I admit I do not like Pose, and can't sit even through one minute of his banshee singing that sounds like a sack of cats fighting. Also add to that his complete lack of personality and asinine conceit and contempt towards his fans, that to me doesn't add up to a top front man.

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i didn't say i heard anyone bad moth the beatles. i just stated they are overrated. i tend to notice the most popular band from a music scene, (british invasion, thrash metal, hair metal, grunge, etc) are usually the band that tends to cater towards the general public and tries to make catchy radio songs on purpose.

The Beatles overrated? As musicians definitely. But surely not as song-writers. They seemed to write such "catchy radio songs" with ease.

Also you can see how (almost) every band holds The Beatles is such reverence. They were a hit-making machine.

But you know all this already...

and ray davies proved in the late 70's after years of the kiks being a concept album band that if he tried on purpose to write radio songs he could do it with ease and the kinks became bigger in the usa than they had ever been. look at paul mccartney since the 70's. pretty much his biggest hits since 1982 are with stevie wonder or michael jackson or the song co-written by elvis costello.

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Yeah it is personal opinion. But to me one of the most important aspects of being a good front man is a good voice. Without that it is senseless and a waste of time. I admit I do not like Pose, and can't sit even through one minute of his banshee singing that sounds like a sack of cats fighting. Also add to that his complete lack of personality and asinine conceit and contempt towards his fans, that to me doesn't add up to a top front man.

but he is dangerous and thats what makes a good frontman. probably the last truely dangerous rock star as far as i know. i never found kurt cobain dangerous or anyne else from grunge and the rock stars today pretty much suck

What makes him dangerous? He was either a skinny whimp with a big mouth, or a bloated recluse with hair plugs. Dangerous? I found him laughable. Dangerous? Iggy Pop. Pose cant even come close to that type of danger because he doesn't have an authentic ounce of talent that would back it up. And again, if a guy can't sing, then he can't be a great front man.

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What makes him dangerous? He was either a skinny whimp with a big mouth, or a bloated recluse with hair plugs. Dangerous? I found him laughable. Dangerous? Iggy Pop. Pose cant even come close to that type of danger because he doesn't have an authentic ounce of talent that would back it up. And again, if a guy can't sing, then he can't be a great front man.

he has a lot of talent first off. he wrote most of the really long guns n roses songs by himself. songs credited to just axl "november rain", "dead horse", "estranged", "shotgun blues", "breakdown", and "this i love".

second he knows how to push peoples buttons and still does it after 25 years. you think he didn't know what would happen when he chose not to attend the RNR HOF ceremony. you think it was an accident he started a riot in canada. how about when he jumped off the stage and punched a guy for taking his pic after security wouldn't take the guys camera.

finally just a short list of great frontmen who don't have a good singing voice. david lee roth, iggy pop, axl rose, mick jagger, bon scott.

The Kinks were quirky, and I like the 60s stuff. Otherwise, they always left me cold. Not enough groove...Davies may be a good songwriter, but to me, they lacked that thing, that magic... the Beatles and Stones had.
but I know its a matter of personal taste.



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Riffhard I guess we have some very different tastes. You seem to really dig the modern commercial American hard rock, that I loath. I don't find Pose to have any talent. And a really long Guns and Roses song is a form of torture used in Gitmo. And I disagree with your comment that Jagger doesn't have a good singing voice. As well as Pop.

The Kinks are/were one of the most underrated 60's bands. Both Davies massively underrated as well. Ray is a very sensitive and perceptive writer. He hones in on the quirky aspects of life, describing eccentric outsiders that appeal to the common man. His voice is layered with vulnerability and emotion that can be sardonic and ironic. For me, their only dip in quality was with the concept albums after Showbiz. Preservation had some good tunes, Slum Kids, Mirror of Love, Artificial Man, Money Talks, and Sweet Genevieve. But also some very poor songs that are far too vaudevillian. Soap Opera was pretty horrid, but then bam! Schoolboys in Disgrace redeems them with some very wonderful writing and amazing playing. Headmaster is bitingly evil, sung with pleading disdain, and some wonderful guitar pyrotechnics from Dave. Sleepwalker and Misfits are great 70's stadium rock albums. Jukebox Music is exhilarating with some great riffing and a infectious chorus. And Misfits the song is a wonderful epic sing-a-long. And Rock and Roll Fantasy is touching love letter to rock and roll and perhaps even to his brother! Then to close out the 70's was Low Budget, their Some Girls. Fully revamped to a tight and precise rock sound. And a new hit for them as well. The tour they did for that album led to there complete resurgence live, and they would regularly tour to sold out arenas and stadiums. And it would produce a very hard rocking live album and video, One for the Road, with a hard hitting version of 20th Century Man. I saw them for the first time for that tour in Detroit at Cobo Hall, and it captivated me. Ray was on fire, running around, singing with full force, and sweating like a punk hopped up madman. That for me, is a true front man that delivers all the goods, great voice, great theatrics when needed, ironic and funny, and appreciative of his fans and audience. And would never shy away from cutting remarks and a good punch up with his brother! On stage! He even quipped once, "and now Dave Davies will attempt to sing a song..."
It would be epic if they could patch up, reform and tour. I would be ecstatic.







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If I hear Ray singing like this I understand where Bryan Ferry got his inspiration from.........

Very good observation Nicos! And there also times where Ray's singing is a lot like Marc Bolans, with the nasally vibrato.

The Beat club show was a fantastic showcase of the "new" band and Musswell Hillbillies material.

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Riffhard I guess we have some very different tastes. You seem to really dig the modern commercial American hard rock, that I loath. I don't find Pose to have any talent. And a really long Guns and Roses song is a form of torture used in Gitmo. And I disagree with your comment that Jagger doesn't have a good singing voice. As well as Pop.

The Kinks are/were one of the most underrated 60's bands. Both Davies massively underrated as well. Ray is a very sensitive and perceptive writer. He hones in on the quirky aspects of life, describing eccentric outsiders that appeal to the common man. His voice is layered with vulnerability and emotion that can be sardonic and ironic. For me, their only dip in quality was with the concept albums after Showbiz. Preservation had some good tunes, Slum Kids, Mirror of Love, Artificial Man, Money Talks, and Sweet Genevieve. But also some very poor songs that are far too vaudevillian. Soap Opera was pretty horrid, but then bam! Schoolboys in Disgrace redeems them with some very wonderful writing and amazing playing. Headmaster is bitingly evil, sung with pleading disdain, and some wonderful guitar pyrotechnics from Dave. Sleepwalker and Misfits are great 70's stadium rock albums. Jukebox Music is exhilarating with some great riffing and a infectious chorus. And Misfits the song is a wonderful epic sing-a-long. And Rock and Roll Fantasy is touching love letter to rock and roll and perhaps even to his brother! Then to close out the 70's was Low Budget, their Some Girls. Fully revamped to a tight and precise rock sound. And a new hit for them as well. The tour they did for that album led to there complete resurgence live, and they would regularly tour to sold out arenas and stadiums. And it would produce a very hard rocking live album and video, One for the Road, with a hard hitting version of 20th Century Man. I saw them for the first time for that tour in Detroit at Cobo Hall, and it captivated me. Ray was on fire, running around, singing with full force, and sweating like a punk hopped up madman. That for me, is a true front man that delivers all the goods, great voice, great theatrics when needed, ironic and funny, and appreciative of his fans and audience. And would never shy away from cutting remarks and a good punch up with his brother! On stage! He even quipped once, "and now Dave Davies will attempt to sing a song..."
It would be epic if they could patch up, reform and tour. I would be ecstatic.

i guess if you don't like "modern commerical american hard rock" you won't like axl or GNR but i put quotes arond that because that style GNR is from went out like 20 years ago. now in america every mainstream popular hard rock band sounds like a pearl jam ripoff and has since about 1997

i just listened to all the RCA material and its odd that started so well with muswell hillbillies and rnded the RCA era so great with schoolboys in disgrace but in between was pretty odd. each album after muswell hillbillies had a slight drop off in quality until it climaxed with soap opera being pretty weak and then all of the sudden they rebound with schoolboys which was better than anything else in the RCA era except muswell hillbillies

Everybody's in Showbiz is great! Some fantastic material, Celluloid Heros, Supersonic Rocket Ship, Sitting in My Hotel, You Don't Know My Name, And the great country Motorway. Then you get a smoking live disc with definitive versions of Holiday, Alcohol, Acute Schizophrenic Paranoia Blues..."and the next song we're going to do is really heavy, so if you can't stand it, leave the building..." amazing! I agree, Soap Opera is the nadir of their output. Worse than UK Jive.

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Everybody's in Showbiz is great! Some fantastic material, Celluloid Heros, Supersonic Rocket Ship, Sitting in My Hotel, You Don't Know My Name, And the great country Motorway. Then you get a smoking live disc with definitive versions of Holiday, Alcohol, Acute Schizophrenic Paranoia Blues..."and the next song we're going to do is really heavy, so if you can't stand it, leave the building..." amazing! I agree, Soap Opera is the nadir of their output. Worse than UK Jive.

i am on the fence if soap opera is worse than uk jive. yes everybody's in showbiz is strong. like i said it was only a slight drop off in quality when compared to muswell hillbillies but then preservation act 1 and 2 are pretty far below muswell hillbillies even if there are great songs scattered between both.



anyone check out ray or daves solo stuff? any recommendations? i see both brothers have a few albums and a few collections as well as some live stuff

I have Ray Davies' "Working Man's Cafe". I'm sure you'd like it a lot, since in lyrical content it's quite diverse, not so "paranoid" & dark like the last Kinks album, "Phobia". There's a fair amount of optimism and observational writing in it, which is nice to hear from Mr. Davies! Musically, it is also more varied (although no surprises really) than "Phobia", and a good strong collection of songs. Many of the melodies are memorable and interesting, so it's definitely worth buying (if you are a fan). The arrangements are much like latter-day Kinks to be honest, but more organic than the '80's stuff of course.

I don't have "Other People's Lives", but the two-three tracks I heard sounded really strong, too.

By the way, a couple of years ago I was staying with a friend in Finchley, and I went down to the nearest station to pick someone up (can't remember which one that was). As I was walking opposite Konk studios, I looked over the street, and like a cliche, I see Ray Davies leaning in the doorway of the studio, just waiting. I was pretty stoked to see this, but I kept myself to myself and walked on without harassing him. But my heart-rate went up a fair bit I reckon. I figured the music's enough though, and just seeing the "legend" so casually in his "natural surroundings" was a good little surprise in itself...

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I have Ray Davies' "Working Man's Cafe". I'm sure you'd like it a lot, since in lyrical content it's quite diverse, not so "paranoid" & dark like the last Kinks album, "Phobia". There's a fair amount of optimism and observational writing in it, which is nice to hear from Mr. Davies! Musically, it is also more varied (although no surprises really) than "Phobia", and a good strong collection of songs. Many of the melodies are memorable and interesting, so it's definitely worth buying (if you are a fan). The arrangements are much like latter-day Kinks to be honest, but more organic than the '80's stuff of course.

I don't have "Other People's Lives", but the two-three tracks I heard sounded really strong, too.

By the way, a couple of years ago I was staying with a friend in Finchley, and I went down to the nearest station to pick someone up (can't remember which one that was). As I was walking opposite Konk studios, I looked over the street, and like a cliche, I see Ray Davies leaning in the doorway of the studio, just waiting. I was pretty stoked to see this, but I kept myself to myself and walked on without harassing him. But my heart-rate went up a fair bit I reckon. I figured the music's enough though, and just seeing the "legend" so casually in his "natural surroundings" was a good little surprise in itself...

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